red&blue&true

............. but the fact is we didn't lose, and there were so many other positives to come out of the Darwin game, I personally hope it becomes a regular fixture (preferably timed immediately before the mid-season break).

........... and further, I don't think "we are basically conceeding 2 days before the game" but you obviously are.

If we could organise it before the break, or in next years case before the bye that would be preferable.

And i still hope the boys win, but Scully & Trengove have become two of the more important players in our team.. if they arent injured then we arent playing our best team giving us less chance to win.

Maybe thats not conceeding but its not ideal.. is it?

Posted this in the other thread, but really its a discussion that shuold have its own thread.

If we had of lost by a point instead of won by a point last week, surely everyone would be screaming that a home ground advantage wouldve made a difference... Added on that apparently some of our best players are too stuffed from playing in the Darwin heat that they need to be rested against Geelong.

Now we got some great PR about our visits to Yuendumu(sp) and the Tiwi Islands and the rest of it, but surely our main focus should be winning games of football, not to mention those that didnt have foxtel couldnt even watch the match last week.

We love to bang on about the MCG being our home and not just being tenants yet we still sell home games.

Is it worth it?

for me it really brings up the question of whether we should be selling home games to freaking Darwin.

If we had lost by a point last week instead of won by a point, it wouldve been fair to say that a home ground advantage mightve been the difference.

And if our players are too stuffed the week after that we are basically conceeding 2 days before the game it hardly seems worth it.

With Miller & Wona both possibly coming back in the side, this is worth watching again to get the blood pumping

Hell its worth watching anytime to get the blood pumping. great clip

Who is going to be Jamars deputy? Miller?

its interesting as soon as he got a deputy we started losing again.

Martin, PJ & Spencer dont warrant a place in the team for 10-15mins of ruck work a game, then have to hide them on the bench cos they have no other strings.

If Jamar needs a chop out for 5mins a quarter dont see why Warnock/Miller cant do it.. Dunn/Newton certainly did enough in the early games

really happy for Jetta & Wonna if true, but will they both fit with Bennell? are we copying Carltons forward line structure?..

cant wait for him to start dominating, somuch material, this week a big game could have

Too much Watts blows Power out

You can probably save yourselves some time on the dream clash guernsey designs guys. Jimmy wanted the Demon back. Everyone said they also wanted the Demon back. We've now got the Demon back as well as an entirely red & blue clash strip. The club isn't going to waste energy year on year trying to make everybody fall in love with the guernsey we're only forced to wear 2-3 times each year.

All the more reason to wear the jumper we already know everyone is in love with at every possible oppurtunity.

Why must it be that if we take the option of removing any possible clash between the clubs because Essendon won't, that we won't still pressure the AFL into making a fairer system? I'm sure if we end up deciding that we'd prefer to wear white to remove the clash, despite it being our home game, that we'd only be angier and more determine to go to the AFL and set this right. If we start this war, North Melbourne will follow us into battle. They have the exact same problem.

We dont need to goto battle.

We just need to wear our home strip. Which is our right. The footy community will fight the battle for us.

A clash is preferable to rolling over on this.

wall paper over cracks. none of these guys are A grade, which is what we need. Either stick with our B graders and develop them or give up something to chase an A grader.

Speaking of which, do you like our current design.

Put it this way, i wouldnt pay money for one.

I don't know about you but I'm not going to be all that upset if the Essendon players keep handballing it to our blokes.

Nor I, doubly so because Essendon supporters themselves will then see sense and lobby their club to fall in line with a credible clash strip

Schwab on twitter has said we'll be wearing the home jumper. But I'll bet we'll end up in the white one, just like St Kilda on Sunday. I'd rather us wear the white jumper than wear the home one if we have learnt anything from the Bulldogs match. As Ash said, we don't need to have players handpassing to Alwyn instead of Aaron.

But it's clear what has to happen in the future.

Whys it assumed that it would be us making an error?

Whos to say it wont be an Essendon player making the mistake costing them the game because of a clash.

How sweet would that victory be, the scum losing because they were too arrogant to have a proper clash strip. (thumbs up)

Either way id rather wear our home guernsey & clash, because unless the issue is highlighted it will just be swept away and we'll be revisiting this at every future home game against Essendon

I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure the 'clash' jumpers are registered at the beginning of the year and do not / are not allowed to change during the year. The AFL can tell a side to wear its 'other' jumper for a specific clash, but they cannot tell a side to invent a new jumper throughout the year. Therefore Ash's points are all valid, and fair IMO.

And therein lies the problem, the AFL should have seen this coming, and gone back to Essendon and told them their clash jumper is not acceptable.

That they didnt is not our problem nor should it be made our problem by directing us to wear a clash jumper at our home game.

And when you say "are not allowed" to be changed during the year? who do you think allows/disallows these things. The AFL has shown in the past they are capable of changing rules midseason, see the Sydney/North 19 man fiasco, this is the AFLs problem, and the AFL can easily fix it.

Which is sort of what I'm saying. But the AFL are in charge, it's up to them to make Essendon change it. Essendon aren't going to do it off their own bat.

But I'm sounding repetitive.

Balls, I apologise if I'm not articulating my posts well enough, cos a quote like this from you "As's theory is 'well you guys have one, so just wear that and we'll be sweet."obviously shows that either you aren't actually reading what I am posting, or I'm not getting my message across clearly enough. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

At the risk of being repetitive, I'll try just one more time.

People here, and I tend to agree, seem to think that the AFL approved "fat sash" jumper doesn't really differ enough from Melbournes traditional jumper. So come the Round 15 match, when Essendon is wearing that jumper and Melbourne by rights are wearing the traditional strip, we could still be faced with a jumper clash. The facts of the situation are, a new Essendon away jumper isn't going to be created before then. So to stop all the confusion and post game whinging from any parties, how about both teams wear away jumpers, and the AFL make sure that next season, and going forward, Essendon do have a better away jumper.

Or Melbourne can draw lines in the sand, and stand their ground, and when James Frawley handballs to Alwyn Davey for a goal cos he thought it was Aaron, everyone can complain again.

Essendon should have been made to come up with a better away jumper, agreed.

Melbourne should have every right to wear a traditional jumper for home games, agreed.

But until the AFL step in, and force a change, Melbourne home games involving Essendon will always cause problems.

To answer one of your other points.

Not sure the away jumper has to be predominately white. Richmonds has extra yellow I think. Essendons obviously has more red. If Melbourne were told it needs more white, take it up with the AFL. Again, like Collingwood, I have never had an issue with Melbourne/Sydney games if the Swans have their red shorts, and Melbourne the blue shorts. Not sure how an away jumper would be needed, but again, we are dealing with the muppets at AFL house.

because if both clubs wear their "away" jumper. Essendon win. They wont come up with another clash jumper they'll just expect everything to be fine because we rolled over this time. Roll over once, and people expect it from you.

Its Melbournes home game, we will run out in our navy blue jumper with the red V. if there is a clash and the AFL is made to look amateur SO BE IT.

Because when the AFL approved Essendons clash strip it was amateur hour.

They can reap what they sow. When they cop a blasting in the media for not being tougher on Essendon about alternate strips and do something about it we might finally see Collingwood & Essendon come out of the dark ages and realise what applies to the rest of the clubs in the competition applies to them.

Not sure if there was any offical call from the AFL on the St Kilda/Ess game.

Maybe both clubs just used common sense. There was no clash what so ever.

Really, people get too emotional about all of this type of stuff. Essendon has an away jumper, which they wore yesterday. So in July, or whenever we play Melbourne, we will wear it if Melbourne is the home team.

But I congratulate St Kilda on using some common sense, also wearing an away jumper, and the result being no clash at all.

If Melbourne have to also wear an away jumper against Essendon, isn't it better that both teams are in away jumpers with no clash, than Melbourne "drawing a line in the sand" and there being a clash?

No its up to Essendon to come up with a suitable clash strip. Not just a fatter sash on the same jumper.

our club cant give in to this. sick of different rules for different clubs. North are a laughing stock rolling over for Collingwood with their clash jumper. Seriously listening to Cam Schwabs Whiteboard Wednesdays, our great heritage and where we have come from is constantly in the clubs mind and is something that is their responsibility to keep intact if we change for them in our home game, thats complete fail

does anyone else think the reason NicNat plays so bad against us is because he is sad we didnt pick him?

Sorry? TWO years at uncontracted players??!

Where did you hear this? That's not correct...

Ive also heard they get 2011 and 2012, if anyone knows for sure could they confirm or deny.

yeaaaaah baby yeaaaaaah!

ill be back at 5, cant handle waiting to know if Jack is in

until my dvd player decided it wouldnt work anymore. grumble

ill be back at 5, cant handle waiting to know if Jack is in

Dunns leading the marks at Melbourne this year, very unlucky if he has to make way, poor kicking at goal last week would have killed him.

But thats what happens when a club has depth in its list, you dont perform theres a bloke at Casey ready to pounce, and this week that bloke happens to be JW.

ive got a bad feeling we are going to lose an untouchable to either GC or GWS and then have to use our compensation pick (which will be our best in that draft) on Viney

God, this song gets so boring after you've heard it two weeks in a row.

i would throw something at you if i could