Whispering_Jack

The AFL wants to stop drugs in football because it is cheating. Hear hear. But then they base the whole competition on cheating. I have had enough of the piss weak platitudes that we don't have enough members or supporters. That is bullshit.

We are the oldest club in this competition and have won plenty of premierships unlike some others and we have the name of the capital city in the state where the AFL originated. We are 1/16th of the clubs that give the AFL $780Million from TV rights plus plenty more. How in hell can a competition be based on a rigged draw. This is crap. Unless the AFL do a multi year draw where the teams play each other equally then the AFL brings shame to the game. To base the draw on attendances or supporter numbers is a joke. Why not start China half way up the track in the Olympics because they have the most fans. Give Manchester United 3 goals start every game because they are the most popular, etc, etc. The draw is an absolute joke the way it stands and the AFL admits it is fixed and rigged to cater for any number of factors except one " fairness". How can a Premiership mean anything in a fixed competition?

The AFL season should not be a "handicap" where some sides have a clear advantage. To regain any credibility a multi year draw must be started so that over a period every team plays each other fairly. TV ratings are not an excuse and the TV stations will fit in with a properly run competition. The handicapping of clubs commercial opportunities is also a disgrace and the equalisation grant moreso. We will end up like the WWF wrestling, a fake which is a great TV winner but as the whole world knows a complete joke. Enough is enough. I am going to have a valium.

The problem with your analysis is that football is no longer a game or a sport - it's a business and in business, he who has the most money wins.

I never worry about the fixture. If we're a top four side we'll beat enough teams to be a contender. As far as I'm concerned the fixture is favourable enough for us to make it if we're good enough so let's not waste our time, effort and energy on issues beyond our control.

Ening his career at the Port Adelaide Magpies in the SANFL - http://www.news.com.au/adelaidenow/story/0...7-21543,00.html

Could this happen? Carlton is seriously looking at Cotchin as its pick. Ratten was quoted as saying they are divided 2/2 on Kreuzer/Cotchin. There is the view that some highly regarded junior ruckmen don't make it in the AFL. If Cotchin goes 1 and Morton 2 would the Eagles take Kreuzer or maybe a midfielder like Palmer/Masten who may go straight into the side and replace Cousins/Judd. If this scenario unfolds we will have Kreuzer available at 4. Might be pie in the sky but who knows.

I think you and I might have been standing a little too long in the sun at Glenferrie Oval last Sunday.

Tried to take a photo, cramped and fell over...

Blisters have shown no improvement thus far, today will be spent on the couch!

Just wanted to say it was a pleasure coaching the team. Every member worked his butt off for the colours and I'm really proud of you and the terrific sporting spirit in which the game was played. Thanks to Rollo and melbournefc and to everyone who helped out and gave their support including Redleg, imtoohot's father, GOTO, Tim, David and marfa and the others whose names I didn't quite catch. I'm sure everyone slept well last night after the experience.

It's been a while since I've coached and I can't remember doing it in 31 degree heat but we got a real appreciation of what must be involved in rotations because we tried to keep them coming as regularly as possible to ensure we'd have fresh legs at the end of the game. Unfortunately, our timing was a bit off because we had it all meticulously planned for a 20 minute final quarter and they kicked the winning goal at the 24 minute mark. That's football, I guess!

The Martin Heppell medal for our BOG went to imtoohot and I'd particularly like to commend the half a dozen or so players who tagged # 15. I think we managed to blunt his influence reasonably well after the first quarter.

We now have an enormous challenge to regain the Big Carl Cup and to sing it's a Grand Old Flag at the end of the game.

Hopefully, someone can get on to the Saintsational site to thank them for the game and congratulate them again formally on their win and for providing the four blokes who helped us out. They were great!

Lads,

There's only two days to go and I can feel the excitement building up to a crescendo as the game nears.

I've heard on the grapevine that most of you are following my training advice and not only that, but you're champing at the bit at the prospect of taking the field on Sunday against our traditional enemy.

That Big Carl Cup means a lot to me and it should mean a lot to all of you. My assistant, Redleg, was actually team manager for the great man when he coached the Demons in 1979 and he has some great stories to tell about his experience in the role (but please don't even think of mentioning the game v Fitzroy that year to him).

Anyway, I want to thank you guys for maintaining the discipline in our quest to retain the Big Carl. It's really important to me as the coach to know that you're totally dedicated to the cause and that you've made such massive sacrifices in terms of your lifestyle over the past weeks in order to be cherry ripe for this game.

As a coach I really have to feel for blokes like Worsfold who must be filled with fear and trepidation whenever they turn on the telly to watch the news knowing that one of their own players are going to be in the headlines.

No such problems with me.

You blokes have got your heads screwed on properly. You're a coaches dream and I'm sure you'll all remember those important 1% ers that help to win games: basic things like "don't forget the sunscreen, the mouthguards and the water bottles!"

Keep it up and I'll see you on Sunday when we'll be going for the ride of our lives.

Sincerely,

Your coach.

BTW, do any of you have tattoos on your midriffs?

hahahaha absolute gold Y_M!!! i wish your predictions came true more often, if only for the laugh i'd get...

Have to agree. I've really missed Chilliboy this year but Y_M has stepped nicely into the void.

Just wondering if you're able to predict the number he'll be wearing when he joins the club?

still a long way to go yze, before he ends up at the MFC...

I've just finished reading the first part of the Dean Bailey interview on melbournefc.com.au and I somehow can't imagine Cousins fitting into the ethos that the club is trying to establish. He won't get to within a light year of the MCG even if he remains a person registered to play in the AFL in the future.

Against who?

Did we win?

How many touches did he get?

Thought I'd ask the local historian

It was against Fitzroy and Melbourne won the game by 24 points. I wasn't into counting kicks and handballs in those days. We're hoping to organise a Demonland/Demonology function for early November and I'd like to invite Kelly along to talk about his role as a development coach as well as his experiences as coach in the TAC Cup and at Freo. Don't tell anybody though because we haven't invited anyone yet. Hopefully, one of the players will be there too!

Ive been saying it.

Miller is going to be Baileys love child.

He just threw him in there as a signing as big as Brocky and Robbo.

I really think Bailey and other members of the club are really getting behind Brad, trying to build that confidence back where it used to be. It will take a while, but im very confident Bailey will not only get Miller running again, but will set the demons on fire.

My feeling is that in order to qualify as DB's love child any given player is going to have to produce consistently on the field and on the training track.

I think I've still got a Kelly O'Donnell chewing gum swap card.

Little bloke, winger, from Kyabrum in our Goulburn Valley zone who wore the number 23 and made his debut as an interchange player in round 2 of 1980 sitting on the bench with Greg Hutchison. Real name is Noel. I think Kelly might be his nickname. Played in the glory years of the 5 year plan under RDB whose coaching career was quite underwhelming. Who knew that at the end of the 5 year plan we would be back at square 1?

No, ridiculous suggestion.

Ben feels at home with bikies smoking ice. Don't think any afl presidents share the same interest.

Is that what they do with ice these days? Smoke it? Wow!

What Cousins needs is an AFL club where he will feel right at home, perhaps where even the President has had his brushes with the law.

Does anyone know if there's a club that fits the criteria?

I havnt seen him play, but for anyone who has:

* Has he improved much since the start of the year (or since his first game, since I hear he was injured for a while)?

* What do you think he'll have to do next year to keep his place on the list? Do you think getting a regularly place in the Sandy 1s will be enough, or will he need to start really impacting games in the Sandy seniors and be pushing for a spot in the Melbourne squad by the end of the year?

* Assuming he makes it, what sort of player would you liken him to? If he does make it, will he fill any holes in the Melbourne list?

He was drafted as a bottom age player, had an interrupted pre season and missed most of the first half of 2007 with injury. He had a couple of really good games with the Sandy reserves but looked all at sea when he was called up to play his only senior game for Sandringham. He'll be starting from scratch again next year and I suspect he might have to spend more time at VFL reserves level before he gets a call up for the seniors at Sandy. Look for him in red and blue in 2009 if at all.

And what experience have you had dealing with addicts? Are you an authority in dealing with drug issues? Or just a concerned parent?

For your information Redleg is a barrister with years of experience in the law and I know that in his professional life that he's seen the destruction wrought by drug takers not only on themselves but on the people around them, particulalry their families who are the real victims of the drug culture. Working in the law myself I've also seen that and it's not pretty. I feel for Cousins' family right now - they must be going through hell whether this latest incident is drug related or not.

Hey guys, what should we expect from Weetra, is he a likely prospect for seniors this year?

He would need to improve a fair bit on 2007 but at least he has the right attitude.

I know many will disagree but I think there is a place for loyalty in footy to your great players. David Neitz has committed so much to this club. If he wants another year I'll not deny him that for pick 85 in the ND.

I have no problem with any of that provided -

(1) a role can be created whereby we can get the most out of him in much the same way that Brisbane did in Alistair Lynch's latter years, and

(2) he doesn't carry the burden of the captaincy in his delining years.

We're embarking on a new era with a fresh coaching panel and they shouldn't be tied by loyalty to someone who contributed so much in the past. By allowing Neitz to retain the captaincy that could prove a problem to both the coaching group and the player if his form or fitness aren't up to speed during the year. Neither of them need that problem.

The runaway premiers Geelong (1.2) along with the 2006 premiers West Coast (1.1) had the highest handball to kick ratio in 2007.

Don't hear too many complaints about their gameplans.

We implemented poorly but the idea is sound.

Agree with that but I don't think we implemented it poorly, rather that we didn't implement it at all. What we were doing in the Nab Cup, the practice matches and the early rounds was not anything remotely like a run and carry style of game. That's why the whole thing was so laughable and appalling. I don't care what Dean Bailey calls it in 2008, as long as it turns out to be good football and winning football.

lots to read on the board at the moment, but this thread should never become a sticky, and should not drop off the board...

until after sunday, 21 october 2007 of course...

Gentlemen and for the benefit of political correctness ladies,

There are nine days to go and, as coach, I've been trying to do a Bomber Thompson and keep a lid on it but Rollo has requested that I address you at this stage in order that you all fully understand the importance of this game.

Just a couple of things to remember as the day draws near -

Firstly, we should never underestimate the importance of being both physically and mentally prepared for whatever sporting pursuit we undertake. I'm therefore ordering all of those who smoke to keep it down to one packet a day until the evening of Sunday 21 October 2007. After that you can do what you like but until then I want everybody to demonstrate some personal discipline and observe this rule. I'm sure you'll appreciate it late in the third quarter when the opposition starts coughing, wheezing and falling by the wayside.

Secondly, I think it's time to start a special set of exercises to get your strenth up for the big game. Tonight, when you open your first stubby or tinny for the evening, try a simple arm extension and bend before you start gulping down the amber liquid. This will do wonders for your muscle tone in the upper arm regions. Try to keep it down to no more than a dozen stubbies or cans a night for the time being so you can remember how much training you've put in on any given night.

Finally, don't listen to any gossip or rumours about whether you might or might not be delisted from the team. It's just that time of year again!

As coach I have the utmost faith in you as my players in much the same way as the board stands 100% behind me.

Cheers until next time!

Mrs. Redleg and I are thrilled to announce the wedding of our daughter Melissa (fanatical Dees member) and Scoop Junior's sister this weekend. We hope she has a great day.

PS. Trade week has been a good distraction to the wediing pressure.

Congrats from Mrs. Whispering and me as well but I think you owe it to readers here to divulge the startling news that this is a mixed marriage and that the groom follows ... er, I'm reluctant to write this but it's Collingw&%$.

Despite that I'm quite sure that Melissa will have a wonderful life with her betrothed and that she will have much pleasure at least on every Queens Birthday at about 4.40 pm and hopefully on many more occasions as well.

got this from big footy.. a west coast supporter reported this

Deal could be struck as soon as tomorrow. No idea what the deal is but apparantly Eagles and Sydney are the two main teams in the hunt. It will involve Pick 20 and at a guess I imagine Ben McKinley will be a sweetner

The irony of a deal that would see us lose Trapper for pick # 20 is that we could have had an extra pick in that region for nothing had we tanked the last game of the season against Carlton and picked up an extra priority pick at the start of the second round of the draft.

He was funny until he blatantly started to lie about his editing of posts on the 'Let's load up . . . . . ' thread.

Who needs Chilliboy when we have the old dependable YM. At least it's fun.

Was that quick enough?

This thread is now locked.

I went to about 8 Richmond games last year and I was impressed with Pettifer. He always bobbed up for 2 or 3 goals, and is an excellent lead. But I've heard on countless occassions that he's a tool.

Ferg and pick 3 for Pettifer and pick 4.

Pick 3 currently belongs to Carlton and is bound for WCE via the Judd deal. Your scenario doesn't look too good ATM.

Yvonne Fein is a playwright and novelist, editor and lecturer. Her writing has appeared in journals and newspapers locally, in the US and the UK. Among her works are the novel, April Fool, published by Hodder, and the play, Celebration of Women. She's also a Demon fan and has penned this essay on following the footy -

JOY OF AN ARMCHAIR AUSSIE RULES FAN by Yvonne Fein

With the advent of laptop computers and the internet, vicarious living of the armchair variety took a great leap forward.

Armchair travellers can now go anywhere in the virtual universe, armchair warriors can fight battles of the future as well as the past and armchair fashionistas can visit the latest haute couture parades as they happen.

No longer do that have to resort to buying ruinously expensive magazines or waiting a whole season for the trends to reach all the way down to the Antipodes.

I confess I have never been a great fan of the armchair mode of experience. I like my travels to be replete with sensory experience, and I have no interest in wars past, present or future, except perhaps with a view towards working out how best to avoid them.

Nor have I ever been a fan of watching fashion. I'm more from the trying-it-on-and-buying-it-whenever-possible school.

I admit, therefore, to a certain amount of surprise, at the immense enjoyment I find myself gleaning from being an armchair Aussie Rules follower.

Although I barrack for Melbourne, I have only ever been to one match. Persuaded to attend by my beloved in our courting days, when he was still trying to find out what really excited me, by half-time we had both worked out that live footy wasn't it.

Nevertheless, these days I will happily join him in front of the telly to watch the final half hour of any given match. Not that I'd ever watch alone. Where’s the fun in that?

One of my chief pleasures is delivering a running commentary on the state of the game and basking in the surprise my beloved unfailingly exhibits at my profound knowledge of tactics and statistics.

(My daughter, who occasionally reads over my shoulder as I write things, generally providing moral and creative encouragement, has just informed me that she's about to expire from acute boredom and is walking way in profound disillusionment. All I can do is continue in the hope that my readers will not be similarly afflicted).

An even greater surprise came to me when I found an even more intense way of enjoying the play. And I use the expression, "the play" advisedly, for it is high drama indeed.

I made this discovery having arrived home one afternoon after driving into Caulfield from one of Melbourne's outer suburbs and realising that for the duration of the entire journey, I'd been listening avidly to a match being called by the ABC’s Radio 774.

Yes, believe it or not, even better than the televisual experience is wireless footy.

The gentlemen who call the game infuse it with a great deal of personal excitement and passion. At slow moments, they exercise a wonderfully laconic wit that seems to me to be quintessentially Australian and, best of all, they know their subject so well - and, I suspect, also have the information of internet statisticians at their fingertips - that they can regale their audience with fascinating snippets of trivia.

Like what happened to Dustin Fletcher in Essendon's clash against West Coast at Subiaco Oval. Or what the penalty was that was given to Alistair Lynch after his fight with Darryl Wakelin during the 2004 Grand Final match?

They can even tell you the name of the Sydney trainer who died due to a heart attack in the final quarter of the Swans match against the Kangaroos.

None of this sounds all that riveting as I type it now, but at the time, I was absolutely captivated by and immersed in this radio world of blokedom.

It was friendly, it was good humoured and even if my time might have been better spent listening to a political digest from the BBC on the ABC's News Radio station, it was surely a victimless crime.

Even this morning, in the aftermath of Geelong's grand final victory, there I was, on the way to my parents' house, tuned into Lindy Burns in conversation with a reporter out at Kardinia Park who was interviewing football tragics queuing up to make sure they got in early to an event no one was sure was actually going to take place.

Would the Geelong team make a morning-after appearance on their home ground? No one knew but they were queuing up just in case.

And I was listening to them giving their reasons. I heard a teacher from the Alice, who had come down for the weekend to see her beloved team take the flag for the first time in 44 years, admitting on air that she had had too much to drink last night.

I heard old men saying it was the best day of their entire lives and I heard young men weeping with joy.

I'm not sure what it means, this vicarious pleasure I take in a game I've never played and only once gone to the MCG to watch.

I don't understand why it fills me with such pleasure or why I feel so entertained when I listen to its aficionados expounding its finer points. Still, there it is.

It's not such an intense experience that I'll miss it in the off season, but maybe that's because I know I'll have many long, lazy summer drive-times to listen to Radio 774’s broadcasting of the cricket.

Bring it on!