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Archie Perkins?? You want Another mr. average in our team?

yes i believe he is an imposter. I think he goes out there hoping not to stuff it up rather than thinking how can i bust into this game and have an influence. he is an imposter because no one really notices this psychology in him. it's the kind of psychology of a Billings. While Chandler is better than Billings and has some good games, he only does enough to make the team forget that for the rest of the season he is taking up precious space in the team. he's not meant to be there.

Diversity is not my interest per se. Redirecting the attention away from the MCC is.

do you know what it is? It's allowing grass roots supporters to have a say at board summits and seminars, not just the MCC cobbers. (Honestly, the kinds of ridiculous questions they were asking Brad Green and co. at the seminar over the off-season - completely tone deaf, superficial, with the spite of any rich white man with too much time on his hands. If you want to find the through-line of Melbourne's miserable stagnancies, inertias, and under-performances, look at the MCC. Old money doesn't change, it isn't a fluid and adaptable receptacle for our team to draw from and relate with. It's alright if we're winning, but if we're losing it represents an opulent stone monument, culturally aloof and fatalistic. Believe it or not, it affects club, it affects player performance - because it affects culture. Ignore the MCC, obviously if you're a player or a coach, but particularly if you're CEO (as best you can) and play as a team and organisation persevering and playing on behalf of the grass-roots fans and working classes and the relevant cultural inputs therefrom. What allowed us free-flowing footy in 2021? ... we were on the road, playing in empty stands, and a finals campaign in WA. What's the common thread there? No miserable MCC fans. Forget the Norm Smith curse. Our curse is one of traditionalism, old money, frustrated old white men who all went to one of 5 Victorian schools. Let's be aware of ourselves as a club and what as supporters we are contributing to the team energy. We should all be clear about this: other fans think we're an unlikeable fan base. Let's just have a little awareness as to why. And rectify that a bit. Look at the Bulldogs supporters - calm, considerate, never mean-spirited or resentful on the whole. Similar are the Kangaroos and Saints. Bring in more diversity. Where's our Rainbow flag btw, cheersquad? Indigenous flag too?Love that Goodwin says we want to be a destination club for more indigenous players. More of that please. Thank you MCC old folks, you're good loyal supporters and all, but just take a back seat, and support with grace and positivity, or not at all. And stop groaning ffs, we know you're not getting any in the bedroom, but please. The players can hear you before they even pick up the footy! It's likely why JVR and Chandler can't! Just too much pressure, too much expectation (actually, that IS one of the criticisms I've heard other team's supporters voice about us) So in summary, if you want change do your part, invite an MCC dees fan to the Southern Stand - disperse the dogma, air out the rot.

I don’t know him personally. But when I first called out the issue with Chandler as this ‘commander’ while being a player of average ability and panic tendency in big games, no one listened to me. My frustration comes from zero people listening to me. Because I look at football as energetics. For example if max setting a bad example or playing for free kicks that kind of attitude gets imitated by other players and brings the standard down. Thats why if Chandler is in this team I am adamant that he needs to shut up and focus on his game rather than communicate excessively or make melodramatic facial expressions (which is a sign of a volatile player anyway). We need an honest and solid player in that position. I don’t know where melbourne gets these average Carlton like players with melodrama in their expression but it is way more detrimental to a game than people like to think. Energy is everything. We were not far off it this year. Not far at all. And that’s what pisses me off. Because while everyone is calling out our best players, I say no it’s our lower tier who need to be bringing the goods because it takes the attention off the best players who can then elevate their level without so much pressure. I just see the game differently. I think we carry Chandler through games and I think the player in his position needs to be carrying the team. They don’t have to be brilliant like petracca, but they have to know humility and consistency and when to shut their mouth and do something. You would have noticed a lot of our season has been all talk. Chandler doesn’t help that cause by any means. He makes it chatty out there in the field. You might think he has a calming effect but I think it’s both distracting and deflating. He’s the only player in the team who has assumed a role of seniority from almost the day he started without ever proving himself to be really integral , he faked his way there by kicking a few nice goals that fans gobble up. We have enough nice goal kickers. The ‘Chandler position’ IS a key reason we’ve lost so many games this year. He is a deer in the headlights, he can’t stick a tackle, and now he’s being absent minded in zoning and leaving free players . It’s all because he plays with a fabricated belief in his ability to be there, he has disguised it well. But he simple doesn’t belong if we’re going to go further up the ladder. But you know what, as I’m saying this , I actually know that it’s too late and I should have provided this intel to the club 2 years ago because he has been a serial non-contributor bar the 2 or 3 games (which all happen to occur when the rest of the team is down - it’s like he makes his case somehow when he can be sen by the coach because the team is down.. but when we’re humming he has had very little to do with it and he has actually bugged a lot of plays).

mate, i'm gonna start a thread on why Chandler has been detrimental for team balance - it is basically summarised in the following: He came in three years ago after the premiership and started remonstrating and commanding players in the forward line but the bottom line of his football is panicky and hungry for 'approval' rather than hungry for 'acceptance', subtle but major difference. It is my contention that his attitude of seeking approval and at the same time remonstrating and ordering teammates on-field and being a self-appointed mainstay of this melbourne team (which Goody and supporters have bought because we don't really have another option there unless we reshuffle players which takes creativity - which Goodwin is not really capable of), this attitude of Chandler brought our '21 mindset down to a more average level. Footy team synergy is like dominoes/chinese whispers and Chandler has been a total bug in the system. Yes he has improved, but his manner is still kind of repulsive in that it is clear, unlike a Bowey or a Mcvee, that he is in the caper of 'disguising' his averageness on gameday by finding someone and something to point at. Look closer and you will figure it out. He is an imposter that has messed with this groups honesty. I'm allowed to have a [censored] opinion. I'm a philosophy major and I read books on behavioural psychology like Chase Hughes. It only takes one average attitude player elevated to a level of 'leadership' to really bug the whole team (it's a game of inches, barely perceptible, unless you can read energetics). oh and [censored] U

Add Chandler to the no man's land

glad others get that Windsor is a winger. all i want to see in the loss this week is no melodramatic expressions when goals are kicked against or when we stuff up plays. just get tf on with it please (trac, may, chandler are the most culpable of extraneous melodrama in the facial region). Trac because he's weighed down by his stardom, May because he knows that he could have done better, and Chandler because he is insecure against good teams and plays like an imposter in the team (no supporters agree with me i'm aware they love Chin idk why) at the best of times...gesticulating to his teammates and even remonstrating them as if he knows better, while he himself just isn't relevant for 80% game. Chandler is no 'leader', sorry to break it to those who think he should be up there in the B and F. No more melodrama. Play to your ability please and keep the facial expressions to a minimum. Bowey is not melodrama, Bowey is appropriate level drama because he cares, with honesty and selflessness.

Watched Goody on 360 Cardboard expression - can't see the players responding to his expression. The particularity/nuance is missing in our game this year, because the particularity/nuance is missing in Goodwin Therefore players glean generalities from him, and nuance is not imparted. [censored] I wish footy people were educated, refined and responsive to nuance as human beings. Well actually...Macrae is. And Pies on top Goody....It's time to go.

it's also not that Chandler is that bad, but that the position he occupies is vital to success - Neal Bullen is Adelaide's most effective kick inside 50 this year. Does that give some explanation as to why we're not winning games this year? Our best are Pickett and Melksham. You would want Chandler for the position he occupies to be up there with them, and I'm quite sure he is not. Once again, Kade looks the goods, huffs and puffs, does some nice 1 percenters, pressure generally pretty good (though not what Neal Bullen's was) but is ineffective going inside 50, no better that Oliver or Petracca. And that is the kick we should be paying players for. Oliver and Trac get paid for other aspects of their game too, including '[censored] you i'm the boss' attitude, which Chandler does not have. And he doesn't need to. But his short kick game needs to be impeccable inside 50. And it's not that.

it sounds ridiculous, but someone with an intent that is true and not flighty. an intent that is unquestionable, like Neal Bullen. We lost a good one. I don't know who to bring in during the trade but someone like that, honest, humble, quiet, effective (even like another Spargo) The temperament is what counts in my opinion, to bolster the stars in our team. Footy, is about mind and how players integrate into a shared vision. I always felt that Chandler's temperament meddled with what we had. It was sort of a 'it's not my fault' sort of mentality. Hard to detect, but definitely there with Chandler - i see that with a lot of carlton players too. They can turn it on but often their collective psychology lets them down. You couldn't question our collective psychology for a few years there. But I felt the turning point for bad habits came in when Chandler was given a spot. It's tricky to explain, but I definitely have a very clear and certain belief about it. Call me crazy

But Pickett 'is' the future of our current team. And the lad wasne there in March. Instead it was the billings and hendo brigade. Fair difference that

I rewatched the round 3 match today. First Qtr we could have been in front but for poor entries. Second Qtr they won territory but we had shots and missed (Fritsch has since found his kicking boots again though) Third Qtr they had a period of 10 min where everything went their way. But again all we were lacking was the forward connection Fourth Qtr - the queue went in the rack for us. Bottom line is: if we clean up entries and kick through the big sticks I think we beat them this week because they are in a slump and will be feeling the pressure to prove themselves, and that's still a big perceived hurdle for them and we have no reason not to have fire in the belly, pure rage that we embarrassed ourselves so hard when we last played them (that is if we have any dignity as a team... which i think has been a feature of our performances after round 5 , to give us credit) not to mention we didnt have Pickett , Mcvee, Lever or Leb last time 🤫, and playing were Billings, AJ, Hendo and Howes

And on the 'Chandler' role.... Absolutely - and with a Bergman, we could finally drop Chandler - the guy has been tasked with a job that is beyond him. Has a few good games a year and then drops back to VFL standards - doesnt impact enough contests. That position that he plays linking is sooooo important - not for the uncontested possessions but for the smart work around the contest (like Neal-Bullen). The idea that Chandler is a mainstay in this team HAS TO END. He is an ad-hoc replacement for Neal-Bullen. He has some lovely highlights with proud and honourable efforts, but Dees fans have to stop fangirling over players that do not bolster our top echalon (Pickett, Petracca even Fritsch) with seriously solid consistent contribution, smart ball use, and powerful 1v1 wins forward of centre.