Kent

1 hour ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

The prevailing narrative in AFL circles was that some people got away with murder while the team was winning. 

Including the coach (best mates)

43 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

 

So what are Petraccas trade options?

All must have been moonlighting certainly not concentrating on their jobs

Management of this club is a joke in my view 

8 hours ago, gs77 said:

It better not be, because with the turmoil we're going through and the bottom-4 trajectory we're on, it's inconceivable that Trac doesn't seek a trade next year. His preferred suitors have ample time to make list and cap arrangements in the meantime. 

What's the deal with Trac I thought he was contracted Have the club done a deal with him to stay one year

contracts  aren't  enforceable?

Obviously had a huge impact 

Move on please

8 hours ago, Demonsone said:

People having a crack at the club but the only thing that has created this are Oliver’s actions.. club has supported him continuously & only so much they can put up with …. 

He should have been traded last year. The fan club on here wouldnt accept that there was a major problem Club is shown to be weak and have been manipulated by Claytons management

42 minutes ago, layzie said:

Totally agree.

All year we were told how many boxes he was ticking.

So apparently he was ticking them all right up until the last minute. 

Or we were fed bs

18 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

As the root cause of many of Melbourne's problems - you can take this to the bank.

Clayton Oliver’s combination of athletic excellence and moments of emotional immaturity can be viewed through the lens of a more complex Jungian archetype. Specifically, Oliver embodies elements of the Puer Aeternus, or the "eternal boy." This archetype is characterized by an individual who, despite physical or intellectual maturity, may struggle with emotional growth. It often manifests in those who are full of energy, creativity, and drive but lack the emotional grounding that comes with true maturity. In Oliver’s case, while he excels on the field in a disciplined, Warrior-like manner, his moments of emotional immaturity suggest an inner conflict between his professional responsibilities and his emotional development.

The Puer Aeternus represents vitality, enthusiasm, and boundless energy—traits that align perfectly with Oliver’s on-field performance. His resilience, creativity, and unwavering commitment to his team showcase his remarkable ability to thrive in high-pressure environments, embodying attributes often celebrated in athletes who combine physical prowess with mental tenacity.

However, this archetype also carries a shadow side—marked by impulsivity, emotional immaturity, and a struggle with long-term responsibility. Despite his incredible skill and leadership potential, Oliver’s emotional responses at times reflect the behavior of someone who hasn’t fully integrated mature emotional intelligence. In high-pressure or frustrating moments, his reactions can appear childlike, characterized by irritability or an inability to control his emotions, traits that one might not expect from someone in his position.

The Puer Aeternus often resists grounding in the realities of life, avoiding the maturation process necessary for developing emotional stability. For Oliver, this can be seen in his moments of frustration when things don’t go his way on the field or in interactions with teammates, coaches, or opponents. This archetypal resistance to growth into the Senex (the wise elder) phase, where wisdom and restraint guide decisions, highlights his inner tension.

This dynamic is not uncommon in highly talented individuals. In many cases, those who excel in one area—such as Oliver’s dominance in football—can sometimes neglect other aspects of personal growth, like emotional maturity. The Puer Aeternus lives in the moment, often struggling with delayed gratification, which can be observed in Oliver’s occasional reactivity, both in his gameplay and emotional interactions.

It’s important to note that the Puer Aeternus is not inherently negative. Many great leaders and innovators exhibit this archetype, as it fosters creativity, energy, and a fearless approach to challenges. However, for Clayton Oliver to reach his full potential, reconciling this Puer Aeternus energy with the Warrior archetype—or even transitioning into the King archetype, which embodies balance, authority, and maturity—will be crucial. This shift would allow him to not only dominate on the field but also become a more emotionally grounded and effective leader.

If Oliver can integrate the emotional maturity required to temper his Puer Aeternus tendencies while maintaining the drive and fearlessness that defines his Warrior spirit, he has the potential to evolve into a complete player and leader. This growth would enable him to handle the pressures of leadership, not just in football but in his broader life, making him a more resilient, composed, and impactful individual both on and off the field.

Thanks Dr Spock

14 hours ago, layzie said:

Is there anything we can do in a way that doesn't splatter us across the front of the newspapers at the moment? Anything at all?

Thats why we need a "Proper Review" First the board and then the management and coach. The club is failing on many fronts in my view. Rare to see issues managed this way by Geelong etc

3 minutes ago, grant said:

Where is Goodwin in all this? We're back to being a basket case of a football club. 

He  is learning I guess

On 26/09/2024 at 13:50, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If our window is closed for next year with or without the hypothetical inclusion of Houston, then I'd also be keeping pick 5 rather than Houston.

The more I saw of us this year, the less confident I am of a sharp rebound to the top 4.

But to answer the question in a vacuum of trading pick 5 for Houston or giving 5 years to Peatling, it would be Houston by so far it isn't funny.

 

We should be rebuilding therefore draft pics pls

51 minutes ago, Slartibartfast said:

What were they Dazzle?

Yes I would be interested to know

On 31/08/2024 at 13:44, Fromgotowoewodin said:

Anyone not renewing because they’re unhappy with board or management or a particular player is weak as [censored]. 

Financial reasons I can understand (although I would suggest downgrading to cheaper options rather than cancelling) but punishing the club as a [censored] protest against any individual(s) is childish and self-defeating.

I don't really care what you think really My opinion only matters to me 

23 minutes ago, 58er said:

That info says he hardly cleared off from Port. They called time on him it seems. 
And it was after 8 years as well.
That’s hardly leaving a by Club in the church. 

Wouldn’t  want to be employed by you Bluey all you have done is blemish Nathan for long service and loyalty. 

I would think Goody  would be all over SA assistants and be very aware of their credentials. 

Thank goodness. 

Yes Adelaide are killing it

13 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

GEELONG premiership players Gary Rohan and Brandan Parfitt are among seven Cats delisted after their season ended in a preliminary final loss to Brisbane.  Phoenix Foster, Oscar Murdoch, James Willis, Mitch Hardie have also been delisted having not played an AFL game. Former Hawthorn tall Emerson Jeka has also been axed.

*** I hate the Cats.  But I admire how ruthless they are.  These are not easy calls as each have shown real ability.  Rohan could play another year.  Parfitt is capable.  Hardie was excellent in the VFL winning a role in VFL team if the year.  Foster is like a young Tomahawk.  But they are ruthless. They see them as not quite premiership material. So they are out.  They are after new youngsters. They are after Bailey Smith.  They are after 1-2  Werribee players in the same way they got Mannagh.
MFC hangs onto players with extensions and extra years beyond what they have demonstrated.  FFS. Did I mention  *** I have the Cats.  

Parfitt is a chance.  Obviously he had talent.  It’s the hard work to bring out the talent.  Does he still have it ????? 

I want Phoenix Foster, Love it!

2 hours ago, 58er said:

Really this is la la land rubbish. 
si extent judge our Coach by the thoughts and judgement of our opposition supporters. 

Good luck with that logic it’s got about the same credibility as words out of a certain person who lead the USA and now wants the world to have a second dose of his Bul…t. 

There is plenty of that around here

12 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

For one reason or another , as it were, I'll put aside the funding issue...if there is one.

The idea of permits etc can be the quagmire. That said if G.E. is indeed onboard ( at least atm in their current guise ) this may not prove much of an impediment.  If they truly are happy to see this unfold then they'll  just stamp it and stand aside. 

Back to money. I have a suspicion it's been hard  for the club to lock money/grants/commitment in as there's actually been no location to allocate to. Lots of iffy in the clouds stuff in the past. Here we have a location, heads of agreements, concepts and preliminary designs....I.e something specific. 

I don't see $$$ as being any problem. 

From a "build" perspective  much could be done simultaneously as two distinct parts/sites. 1) Admin and Training 2) Ovals/Pav .

Should be able to do 18mnths/2y wo to go once greenlit.

We're  not building docklands  here...  it's not that complicated. 

Go Dees

Talk to the cfmeu before you make any predictions

28 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I have to agree.  We got conned into virtue signalling all the whiles the AFL say one thing and do another.

Anyway...we are where we are and with any luck that will one day be Caulfield. 

A new beginning.  And in many ways I do see it as just that....a wonderful opportunity for a real re-set. 

Hawthorn can have their Tip

Yes at Caufield races surrounded by problem gamblers who fund the joint

Just now, Demonland said:

 

Who does the business case go to? Surely not the current government as they are broke

Just now, Skuit said:

In terms of the latter, the proverbial buck stops with him I suppose, but is Lamb responsible for employing our recruitment team, or does that fall to someone else and then he has to best decide whether or not to heed their advice? 

why would any manager work with a team that he she didn't have a hand in selecting doesn't make sense

On 14/09/2024 at 08:20, chookrat said:

I reckon with the feasibility out of the way and stakeholder consultation that we will see the Minister push this through quickly. I'm sure that the State Government are aware of how drawn out the process has been, the state of our facilities (the worst of all Victorian teams) and the impact on the club throughout this time.

I'm not sure the minister gives a rats [censored] about Melbourne any source?

4 minutes ago, BoBo said:

Who was the last player we traded in that was a win for us?

ed langdon

11 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Gee you don't think much of our poor old voting members do you? That elitist approach you have just outlined has led to how many Court cases recently? - just finished one (how much did that cost?) to make changes to election processes that were obvious, continued  just to stop Board candidates being interviewed by Gerard Whateley. And three cases on the go at the moment - one against 4 Board members, a second against 7 Board members and a single one against the current Vice President. Not to mention the worst facilities in the AFL. A Board that has jettisoned two Presidents in three years. I can see the AFL looking over proceedings at Melbourne and saying "everything's just fine!".

Now there is a good dose of reality

5 minutes ago, biggestred said:

One might suggest that the problem with this club over the last 60 odd years has been egos in and around the boardroom.

Smith not taking the opportunity tells me everything I need to know about the board and its behavior.

we still haven't heard from our president. Is he or isn't he interim I must have missed it  if it has been announced?

1 hour ago, Ollie fan said:

Paul Simon: "a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.."  
 

As I understand it, this was the point on which Lawrence ended up running the actual trial and on which he lost. And thank goodness for that! Otherwise we would have had him marching around town when elections were approaching, telling us exactly how bad he thinks the Melbourne football club is, creating back page news every day: great for the club, eh? For whatever reason, Lawrence is apparently determined to get on to what Speed called a highly credentialed and competent Board (or similar words), where no doubt he would throw his perceived weight around until he has achieved his own ends or brought the whole club administration down. If you want that, good on you. I don't.

 

Yes and the current board has been really successfull in keeping us off the back page 

Amateurs