forever demons

15 minutes ago, 58er said:

I reckon if either Gawny Clarry or Trac were a Normie winner on Gf day with us winning the Flag  that might separate them for the modern AFL era!!! 

No not even close

2 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

I'd say he's the best we've had in the AFL era. 
I've been watching for 30 years and he's got Neitz, Stynes and Lyon covered over that time.
(though there may be some stiff competition in Petracca and Oliver waiting in the wings)

Once we get into the VFL era (Flower, Barassi, etc.) we're going back too far for a meaningful comparison.  There are some players like Bradman that you can say with confidence are the greatest of all time, but player comparisons should generally be done within eras/generations, rather than across.

Carey is the best player that I have ever seen, though I can't say he's the best ever, as I never saw Matthews, Skilton, Bunton, Stewart or Coleman.

I too am tired of every current champion being referred to as 'GOAT' at the expense of those that have come before.

  

Saw a lot Mathews very clever and tough ,got as good as he gave out and true champion,Stewart was just amazing played above his size utter champion as was skilton

21 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

Brilliant on the weekend. 4 time All Australian. I can't think of anyone better even Flower and Barassi PS: I rarely saw Flower and I never saw Barassi

Flower was a freak could do anything would go to game just to watch him,RDB was a great leader, inspiring and great natural footy player,if Gawn plays 250 games then we will know if he is GOAT  until then he stands in their shadow

You could see the talent from the get go.If he stays a one club player for his whole career I can see him joining the 300 club.Thank god Neeld wasn't around ,he would probably being playing in a B grade park comp drinking [censored] and enjoying the pie nights with cale ,jimmy at gysberts flat.

Just watched 2nd qtr of b game Farmer is long way off afl level

3 minutes ago, Red and Blue realist said:

I like Hunt's game, but he needs to be given licensee to just attack the game he wants, the lack of tackling seemed to me to be more of being caught half between attacking their player or falling back to where he should be positioned and then getting in no-mans land. Allowing him that ability might cost a few goals but should also help save a few as well. The other thing he needs to do is to automatically peel out the back of a marking pack when it flys and his man is going up, let the big men do there job and he can stop any quick crumbers bursting through. He got caught on the side watching a few times.

On point 3, the Tigers defence is the best in the game, so after only a few weeks of the focus shifting to the TMac/Jacko combo, I thought they held up reasonably well. 

I agree, Oscar is so close, but he's a liability if forced to go back towards the last line of defence and hasn't yet got the polish delivering forward. I don't think he's yet ready to play in the seniors opposite Langdon, but he'd be the perfect guy to learn off.  

One of the best post i have read on here,but who is oscar

5 minutes ago, DeeZee said:

Thought Hunt and Jetta were very good today too

Thats great to hear hope jetta and jones can turn back the clock and beat father time,at least for one more season

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

I can only go on what I have seen, and big call or not he oozes Charisma and X factor. As iterated in scratch match took the mark of the day ,then in another bit of play gathered the footy in traffic and kicked a 45 metre goal on the wrong side for a left footer. Understand the apprehension, but he has size, tank can mark and kick freak goals.

I for one am prepared to back him in.This also goes for Bowey and Bailey Laurie and anyone else who looks likely.For too long players who have underachieved have been gifted games. Not any more. Step up or get replaced. Welcome the next generation!

 

Oh so you are saying its another rebuild.The new generation is going to take at least 5 yrs to get to grand final status.We have new support coaches new draftees new super forward (injured) other tall forward(injured)looks like another year of us getting spanked

1 hour ago, 58er said:

Yes that may be the more regular figure but remember the Doggies won theirs at least 2 years before their time.

It doesn't mean ALL players have to have 100 games together but at least Half and the list contains a very solid group of younger players and a couple Or more of older ones with more games.

For instance Maysie Gawny BBB Hibbo Jets Jonesy TomMac Mitch Brown  and  Melky And Majak Daw are the latter.

The ideal age and 100 games are Trac Clarry Gus Langers Tommo Jack V Jake L Harmesy 
The third group is the one you are pointing the bone at Say too young and not enough games is the largest Including  Fritta Spargs Sparrow Jordon Pickett Jacko Riv Weid Lockhart Joel Smith Petty Chandler and Neitschke our draftees Rosman Laurie and Bowey plus any of the rookies Bradtke Farmer and Deakin Smith.

Apologies for any missed players from any category.

For a start  Choco has already burnt !!! Or torn up The 2020 draftees birth Certs indicating he doesn't think age and by association experience is the most vital attribute needed for Round1 selection.

Here is IMO our best chance of winning a flag this year if the team is selected  as below assuming all players are fit and available. A mix of all categories is necessary so that our best 22 plus emergencies is ready for that one game in September!!!

B    Lockhart   May  Lever 

HB   Rivers Petty Salem

C Rosman Petracca Langdon

HF Fritsch Tom Mac Spargo 

F  Pickett B Brown  Jackson

R  Gawn Oliver Viney 

I      Brayshaw Sparrow Laurie Weideman 

Emerg   Harmes  Bowey Jordon Tomlinson

If the 26 selected the following numbers are 

Above 100-200 games  (4) May Tom Mac Ben Brown Gawn

About 100 games and 4/6 seasons  (9) Lever Salem Petracca Langdon Oliver Viney Brayshaw Harmes Tomlinson

Under 4 seasons and 50 games  (13)   Lockhart Rivers Petty Rosman Fritsch Spargo Pickett Jackson Weideman  Laurie Sparrow Bowey Jordon

While most wont agree with this team,  or even if they do acknowledge our Premiership window is not open yet due to youth I believe that depending upon improvement injuries and game plan execution it's not that Far fetched for us to be in the Top 4 with the double chance.

There  are Player such as Hibbo  Jonesy and Joel Smith plus Chandler  Neitschke and the rookies who might be playing well enough to be considered in the top 22 or 26. 

Our list would undoubtedly  be Better this time next season with another 25 games into the third category but youth are resilient and won't hold back in their quest for  glory and Hero status.

Meh what a load of hypothetical rubbish ,what do drink .Shesss

3 minutes ago, Sydee said:

One day we will finally run out of pathetic excuses and win a flag 

Won't win a flag with team of boys Rivers ,Jackson Pickett ,etc are still very young it will take games to get them to 100%

1 minute ago, DubDee said:

I hear what you are saying but we are a more professional, competent club now.  The kids should have expectations put on them and they should believe they can play round 1 but we should not be expecting them to be the difference.  Rivers and Jackson for example came in, played their role and played well.

If they are good enough and mature enough thats fine ,Rivers and especially Jackson seem to be

1 minute ago, Sydee said:

I'm not suggesting they have zero interest - obviously they do

What I am suggesting is that the gap that exists between best and worst for some players on our list is too big and not acceptable if they ever want to seriously challenge. The better teams don't tend to have such a wide gap in performance levels. They don't have huge lapses in concentration or application. They don't have teams scoring multiple unanswered goals repeatedly week after week. They don't have what seems to be significant drop offs in intensity from week to week or from quarter to quarter. Occasionally - maybe, but not consistently

Unfortunately I would guess we are one of the worst teams in the competition in terms of win ratio in games where we are clear favorite - that suggests to me there is a big problem - That problem needs addressing urgently and if it means bringing in players who can apply themselves more consistently then I welcome them despite how old they are or how many games they may have played

      

I agree with a lot you say but I don't want to see them played to early and become disheartened ,its a big jump from playing against boys to men.I think a lot what have said comes to coaching which has not been to flash

2 minutes ago, NeveroddoreveN said:

i think we really need to adjust our thoughts when it comes to performances.  Not everyone has to be a match-winner but they all have to pull their weight with effort/repeat efforts.  Young guys are not expected to do it all....but if they are picked they are good enough and should contribute with at least some flashy cameos.  More worried about some of our more senior team members pulling their weight honestly, there are too many that lack consistency within games and often fluffing up simple things.

Let's face it, we need the whole team to lift and start "bleeding" for one another before we go anywhere...hopefully this is the year we start to gel and work out the effort that is required to win footy games.

 

Flashy cameos are not going to win games

9 minutes ago, TRIGON said:

"Dad Joke Alert"  it's now the Year of the Ox so shouldn't he have pulled a calf?

I will see myself out...sharply!

umm

32 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Lucky for Port they didn't take this attitude.  Age is irrelevant, if they are ready, bring them in.  Especially the quick, little fellas can have a big impact from the go

Expectations placed to early on these young blokes can be soul destroying,we have been down this path before.Eg Hogan who i think was played to early,mature body immature brain,hugh expectations on him and we all know that ended tears and of course watts

13 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Last time I checked our list isn't performing that well - if the newbies are good enough, fit enough and hungrier for success then I'm all for replacing some of those who seem comfortable with going through the motions 

Can't see why any player would be just going through the motionsbut if so then i agree with you

Whippy boy probably ,and I hope not Tmac.Big improver to be Chandler seems to matureing and free of injury,surprise packet jones to produce a big effort in his swan song year

If we have to play any of the 3 kids in the first round it doesn''t say much for our list

1 hour ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Because people are focusing on the fact that she is a woman more than she is a footballer.

Thats because she is a woman first

21 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I would love to say, that training was the best I've seen EVER!!!

I would love to say that Angus Young from ACDC TRAINED THE HOUSE DOWN and could be added to our list!

I would love to say that the weather was perfect 

BUT ALAS NONE OF IT WOULD BE TRUE

Point number 1 the only players training were the core defence unit. More on that in a minute?

Point number 2 Sorry for misleading you, but if Jayden Hunt resplendent with long hair under a school type hat ain't a dead ringer for Angus Young of ACDC Then he's darn close enough to be his twin?

Piont 3 Typical Casey weather Sleet, Wind, Rain, Sunshine tending to Mercury like temperatures all within an hour and a half!?

Training report. Arrived at ground to see quite a few but not packed car park at Casey at 9.40

Whether for COVID or other reasons the only players training were the defensive unit. This consisted of Lever, May, Smith, Nev, Petty, Rivers, HUNT, and BOWEY. Hibbo was also a no show. Tomlinson's only involvement was taking pot shots from 25 meters into a wheelie bin. For what reasons I couldn't say, he didn't look injured but saw him in conversation with Alan Richardson. The session was lead by Chocko Williams. I highlighted both Jayden Hunt and Jake Bowey as I'm interested in the likely impact both would have as defenders? I thought Hunt looked good to very good last year in attack and I would have thought Bowey's skill set would see him potentially taking a forward like role.

The drills were interesting in that it is my feeling that this was not a high intensity session and could almost be as laid back as AFL Training gets.

Drill A Involved the options of running the ball out in spread and finding a target through creation of space. The added element though seemed to be the new "Stand the Mark" rule which will really test all players given that the moment a mark or free kick is paid you cannot move at all. Its as if your boots are superglued to the turf and any minor movement will see players getting pinged left right and centre. I think it is a shocking rule and I can see games being won and lost with it. The players mentioned trained ok but as iterated it was not a high intensity drill.

Drill B Involved players with backs to other player 30-40 mts away throwing or bouncing the ball and depending on its landing players turned quickly right or left footed to spear a pass to either leading or stationary target. Again a few excellent passes and a few MEH!

Drill C Players taking ball and having pot shots on goal

That's about it except for one slightly strange thing. At one stage Clarry ventured out from rooms with ???? Staffer maybe. walking around the boundary line looking at his phone, Music pod whatever stopping once or twice then heading back into rooms. I could speculate many other players may have been indoors doing a weights session but who knows?? Mitch Brown also appeared early and seemed to be doing some rehab work with Staffer for about 15-20 mins.

I sincerely hope things step up from here and further, someone can find out if the Richmond or other practice match is on when, as even if a "'closed session" its easy to see through the fence!

P.S If Jayden Hunt can play guitar half as good as Angus Young, then his career at end of footy days seems assured!

Cheers PF

 

 

A big well done from me Mr Pickett

Great knock Weid,the player we loved to hate,thanks for the great memories.RIP

17 hours ago, rjay said:

Is '58er' really 'Sat'???

Dont think so to many spelling mistakes in 58s post ha ha

1 hour ago, Tarax Club said:

cant get a handle on that Mr Bubbles

2 hours ago, Tarax Club said:

oh umm thats pathetic

5 hours ago, Tarax Club said:

Given the available evidence that may be a valid scientific insight. According Newton’s Third Law of Motion ‘For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction’  As he bestrode Earth he has created space for others hence Angus Air. Which may explain the praise of almost mythic proportion some posters ascribe to Comet Noir’s appearance at Casey Fields.

Majak it appears is a force of nature to be reckoned with. 

Ok sooo how did he train