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One of the softest players in a contest I've seen at Melbourne. I take it you disagree ? Although I'm a little unfamiliar with Pidgin English.

Lumumba was incredibly soft prior to any concussions. I don't want to see the post-concussion version of Lumumba.

Interesting

I have little interest in Casey or their flag attempts. All things being equal I'd be happy for them to win, but it's not hugely important to me as I follow a different team in the VFL. I also don't believe it's critically important to the players development, although it would be nice for them. As far as the list goes I'll back the club on individuals, but in the main I'm a proponent of turning the list over, which is something the club has been historically poor at doing. They've held on to ordinary players for way too long, dating back at least 15 years. The two McDonalds were picks 53, Hunt 57, Harmes, vandenBerg, and Frost (GWS) rookies. Jetta has most recently been a rookie and Hibberd was a pre-season draft selection. Potentially our entire back-line for 2017 is a group of 50+ draft pick selections or rookies. The club will know who they want to keep, but in the main keep turning the list over and back Taylor and his crew to unearth some gems. There will come a time when there'll be room for consolidation, but in my opinion we're not there yet.

I assume you noted that the poster I was quoting said " There appears to be no other team chasing this guy I wonder why". Perhaps not...

Jack, I think a prudent approach would be to accept that you and I have zero clue what is happening behind the scenes, or who clubs are or aren't discussing.

You'll have to get over your obsession with one position. Rampe - one position; Enright - one position; Shaw - one position; Laird - one position; Birchall - one position; Docherty - one position; Zac Williams - one position; Neville Jetta - one position ... If you don't think Hibberd is good enough that's fine, but I'd lose the concerns over "one position". Although I'll add that he came 4th in their B&F in 2014, which was a year they played finals. The description "foot soldier" suggests to me that you're not overly familiar with the player. At 27 he's in his prime. I've also never worried about a player's pay. I'll back the club to manage the finances within the salary cap.

Heath Shaw was 28 when he played his first game at GWS. How has that turned out for them ? Heath Shaw is their general down back. He organises teammates and uses the footy well out of defence. How often do you see him in a midfield rotation ? Answer - never. How often is Grant Birchall in Hawthorn's midfield rotation ? Answer - never. Hibberd will be a terrific mature pick up in a young team with an even younger backline.