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19 minutes ago, red and blue forever said:

I was sworn to secrecy,

but as no one on here knows who I am,

I can probably get away with it......

My father Admitted to me the other day, he was pro Buckley as our coach...

Is your last name Green, Smith or Richardson by chance?

1 minute ago, demoncat said:

I mean I guess that’s true but if he didn’t rate us he’d have Tassie and potentially Carlton as options in the next 12 months

Would be very easy to say he’s not interested and hold fire until then

Don’t think he’d be a good fit for Carlton, switching Voss to Bucks doesn’t work. Too similar.

And if a Tassie expansion team was the other option for the next decade of his life, I suspect he’d be begging the MFC rn.

39 minutes ago, demoncat said:

Reckon Bucks wouldn’t be interested if we had a bad list

Especially when yesterday was one of the first games where our promising young talent really led the way with less impact from our senior players (sans Gawn and McDonald)

Think we just need to continue to rebalance our list towards our younger core and see if we can top up with some players in that 24-26 range, while also bringing in a new coach to further transition the gameplan, improve selection integrity and potentially make some tough calls on a few senior players

I think you’re vastly overestimating his options. His media roles are mostly mind numbing for anyone with ambitions to coach or fill an executive role.

Bucks is desperate for the job, if he wasn’t then we wouldn’t waste our time.

1 hour ago, Dee*ceiving said:

Lethal Leigh? 1990 @ Pies then Lions 3-peat?

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Only a few AFL head coaches have won premierships with multiple clubs, which is a rare and impressive achievement. Based on historical records, here are the confirmed examples:

🏆 Coaches Who Have Won Premierships at Two Different AFL Clubs

1. Ron Barassi

   • Melbourne: 1960 (as player-coach)

   • Carlton: 1968, 1970

   • North Melbourne: 1975, 1977

2. David Parkin

   • Hawthorn: 1978

   • Carlton: 1981, 1982, 1995

3. Allan Jeans

   • St Kilda: 1966

   • Hawthorn: 1983, 1986, 1989

4. Tom Hafey

   • Richmond: 1967, 1969, 1973, 1974

   • Collingwood: Took them to multiple Grand Finals but did not win a premiership there

5. Mick Malthouse

   • West Coast: 1992, 1994

   • Collingwood: 2010

6. Leigh Matthews

   • Collingwood: 1990

   • Brisbane Lions: 2001, 2002, 2003

7. Malcolm Blight

   • Adelaide: 1997, 1998

   • (No premierships with other clubs as head coach)

8. Denis Pagan

   • North Melbourne: 1996, 1999

   • (No premierships with Carlton)

From this list, the coaches who actually won premierships with two different clubs are:

• Ron Barassi

• David Parkin

• Allan Jeans

• Mick Malthouse

• Leigh Matthews

I think the relevant point is not if they won first time around, just succeeded round two.

Allan Jeans is a legend from his second turn.

Malcom Blight had more success second tenure.

Barassi took North from dead last to a premiership in two years.

There are a few examples.
I've come around on Bucks, originally preferred Enright or another assistant but what's needed most is leadership and authority.
Bucks has a window with players like Trac and Gawn to deliver. If not, then we're rebuilding and those assistants will mostly still be available.

26 minutes ago, Fanatique Demon said:

Langford slow and soft there. Needs greater intent.

See greater intent

1 hour ago, Eelesie said:

I am sure it's been mention here, but a wider change to coaching staff needs to be considered. Pretty happy with Chaplin, but I cannot for the life of me fathom how Stafford is still there...

Gawn credits Stafford as his most impactful coach. Given Gawn’s status, maybe he’s better than we think here in Demonland?

2 hours ago, Demonland said:

Seems an awkward idea.

1 hour ago, Howard_Grimes said:

We're talking about elite athletes who spend a quarter of their lives trying to build their bodies to compete in one of the more demanding sports in the world.

A competition so ruthless that any small advantage is worth its weight in gold.

Somwhow, methinks it's not a minor factor..

Have you been involved in high level sport?

For the coach it’s a minor factor. For the players, much bigger.

It’s a huge problem, no doubt. The board will present the coach a vision of Caulfield in four or five years, which would be halfway through a successful term.

Not as big an issue for a coach. Almost an appealing proposition actually.

1 hour ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Interesting thoughts on Buckley

I was against Buckley at first.

But I imagine he’d be coaching for his life and have something to prove.

He’s at a completely different stage now, more authority and a better perspective on the game.

He’s fast becoming my top choice. Though Enright still holds that for me.

2 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

Who is the best collaborator, and can bring in the best full panel of coaches? Even on a rough sketch we're looking at ten positions I would want to see filled with top quality people.

Senior.

Footy Dept Manager.

Veteran coaching mentor.

Development.

Conditioning.

Forward, back, clearance, transition.

Casey.

I don’t like the veteran coaching mentor role.

It undermines the coach who needs to step up and do the job.

9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Buckley? Caroline Wilson has completely lost her touch.

I hope Enright.

Realistically, he’s two years away from being great. But then so is the squad.

22 hours ago, Bowserpower said:

That is true. I tried running the exercise but it wasn't easy.

Geelong with Ablett

Collingwood with Grundy

West Coast with Judd

Melbourne with Hogan

They’re actually better examples than I could think of…

My wife is a Geel supporter (I know, it’s horrifying) she’s convinced if Ablett stayed they would’ve won at least another flag.

Grundy was a salary dump. We’ve perhaps mismanaged the potential of the players, but there’s no real indication we’ve mismanaged the contracts to force a fire sale.

Judd’s a good call as it was a midfielder for a power forward. And it was a painful loss at the time for WC. Nice comparison for Trac.

Hogan is most like Clarry, had diminished value given the scope of his talent. Would we give May and Sparrow back for Hogan? Maybe now…

I hope both stay, but I guess depends what’s on the other side of the opportunity

6 hours ago, In Harmes Way said:

The club absolutely had to stand up to the online threats against Goodwin that went too far, which Green's letter did. IMHO this is the only reason he wrote the letter.

Unfortunately the lion's share of supporters including myself were looking for the club to (also) make some sort of a statement on how the club will respond as a whole (incl. board) to a particularly devestating result in a season of ongoing disappointments that compounds on the 0-5 start we had to the year. The standards you walk past are the standards you're willing to accept. The letter merely acknowledging frustration and that the "Board and I are committed to doing everything required to have our AFL program performing at the level we all expect" doesn't really cut it.

I might not be properly informed. But the online threats sounded fairly banal.

Shouldn’t happen obv, but seemed an unserious level of stupid behaviour.

8 minutes ago, Bowserpower said:

We need to get rid of one of them, no question about it. Between the two, I’d probably keep Petracca because he clearly has more upside and can still turn games around when he’s on. He’s shown glimpses of brilliance, and there’s still some to tap into. Oliver has been seriously underwhelming. He hasn’t been close to the level we expect from him—not even remotely. His form has been [censored], no question about it and he’s just not contributing in the way he should be. Honestly, I’d even be willing to pay a portion of his salary just to get him off the books and onto another team. It’s harsh, but we can’t afford to carry passengers if we want to move forward., and he’s just not contributing in the way he should be.

Fair points, but not sure I agree.

Trac doesn’t put his body in (perhaps fair) a huge limitation if he’s going to play like Danger into his 30s. He hasn’t quite reached the extremity of his potential imo.

Conversely Clarry is the player that won all our BnFs for a reason. He has a mind that pushes him to win.

I’d keep both. What teams have traded their best talents in their prime years and ever worked out??

1 hour ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

I'm now convinced they won't be around next year.

Clarry after 23 wanted out to the Crows after his hamstring problems.

Clarry might not have been in a good head space but he wanted out.

The Crows after hearing differing stories on Clarry and decided to bauk at our ask price of 2x 1st rounders.

They've straighten him back up now got him to his 200th game, Maxy has toured him around doing sportsmans nights to earn some extra coin from 2021 GF stories.

So he will be on his way on better terms with the club and he'll go into another environment (Cats) get the eye of the tiger back, strip some weight off, become rock hard Clarry again and start killing it.

Different story with Christian the offer that came in for him from the Pies last year was insulting as far as the club were concerned.

Club would have sat him down and told him get yourself right no need to come to club BNF (which I didn't agree with) get your fitness back, find a bit of form, let the club steady the ship, show to the Demon faithful you are on board.

Play your 200th and make peace with the club and leave on good terms when a better offer arrives from another club next year e.g Hawks.

Everyone walks away with a happy outcome and both are welcomed back in 5.5 years time for the GF reunion in 2031.

Trac didn’t want to attend the BnF and used his AZ training as an excuse. The club should’ve made him attend.

Ultimately that’s a lack of maturity of both sides.

I agree Clarry at the Cats will send him back to his awesome best. As Smith said, “the Cats let the players play to their strengths”… Sometimes it’s not that hard Goody.

And we would get nothing in return. That will be the heartbreaking outcome the media will push.

So they both need to stay. The culture (horrible word) needs to grow the f up.

TOO LATE.

Next year is big or bust. The fallout or vindication.

TOO LATE.

We’ve doubled down on all of them, Goodwin too. Trac and Oliver were champions and need to get back to their best.

The young need Trac and Oliver to learn from. We’ve made this mistake before.

Can’t sell our best players at their lowest value. Forget it.

4 minutes ago, Flower Magic said:

Rush KC is a much better bet than Anderson, who has lost most of the appeals he has run.

I like his style, going in hard:

“Rush (Dees): To say the player is negligent because a ball may or may not bounce in a particular way is... I won't use the word I was going to say. It's totally unreasonable.”

Just now, dees189227 said:

Spargo our sub

Surely agreeable to all here…

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

Perkins could be a really good player - Essendon have mismanaged his development.

Pies recruiting been OK - they did pay a lot of $$$$ for Perryman and Houston fell into their lap as he wanted us then Carlton but ended up at Pies. Not been fantastic so far. Schultz their supporters hated until a few weeks ago and most of the others were free hits.

Agree on Perkins, he’s a smart target

1 minute ago, demon3165 said:

So, the umpires are to blame for a poorly skilled side by hand and foot; a side that struggles with football nous and a game plan that's not working. But it's the umpires' fault, they make fewer mistakes than players. It's time to drop Salem, revamp the midfield, and persist with it for the last five games. As for Jefferson, yes, he had some bad moments, but give him the last five games to confirm whether he can make it. In the end, this club needs to make some serious decisions at season's end, and it must take the hard decisions to fix it.

I’m with you… but Salem? He was ok tonight. He’s had solid games this year.

3 minutes ago, BigBadBustling said:

Exactly. Have any of these morons calling for the coaches head seen the stats? Did they actually watch the game? That was appalling umpiring.

I watched the game.

I see a better group of players who are confused with a failing system. Often flat footed and unsure. Champions like Trac having little influence.

I think we missed the chance to fire Goodwin, he’s staying. But my God he needs to get more out of the potential of this list. Make no mistake, he’s failing.

What are you seeing?

3 minutes ago, manny100 said:

Howes playing. Tom Campbell and TMc not playing.

One of them carry over? Late change as well?

TMac in for May

11 minutes ago, The Cult of Disco Turner said:

The good news—we’re not dead for 2026 yet.

Not sure about that honestly!

7 hours ago, DeeZone said:

Congratulations to Kozzie Pickett and MFC for getting this deal done, speaks volumes for Kozzie and everyone involved at the club. We can all relax now and enjoy the rest of Kozzie’s amazing career unfurl in the mighty Red and Blue. Kozzie, Kozzie, Kozzie, OIe, OIe, OIe.

Kossie, Kozzy, Kozi !

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

Also lol at calling Trac timid. You almost die playing footy, and then tell someone off for not wanting to do it all over again.

It’s frankly a miracle that he’s back to this level of intensity so soon after that horrible injury. Most players would never be the same.

And playing in a game where it happened, would have brought back a lot of trauma.

Sometimes I swear people think players are robots.

I’m not telling Trac off. That would be ludicrous. It was an observation that he’s still not fully confident.

I could’ve put in the positive rather than the negative, fair enough.

There’s just a huge challenge when two of the best ever MFC players are at peak age and not at peak output.

As good as Windsor, X, Langford etc might be… I’m not sure they’re Clarry and Trac level prodigious.