No10

11 hours ago, MyFavouriteMartian said:

Get yourself to hospital mate.   Guard against it becoming Pneumonia, which it sounds like it could well becoming.

Thanks Martian. I did visit, but not yet sick enough. See how we go

2 hours ago, Pates said:

Whereabouts are you in London? I live in Ealing (actually just moved a week before they brought in the tougher measures). I've *touch wood* been able to stay healthy and avoid getting sick but I also know that Ealing is one of the higher rated areas which genuinely makes me worry about going out.

That said if you're not far from me and need someone to drop off essentials (beer etc) I'd be happy to help.

Like you I thought the AFL would get a couple of rounds out of the way before pausing the season, but it sounds like Australia is making a similar mistake to the UK in that they've got a foot in both camp. Containment, but not restricting movement/non-essential work. Mixed messages stuffed up the UK (London in particular which should have locked down 1-2 weeks ago), I really hope it won't happen in Australia.

Hey Pates! I saw you recently mention London as being home.
I'm in Notting Hill - also had a high infection rate here, though haven't checked in a while.

That's an incredibly kind offer, we have plenty of supplies currently and no shortage of alcohol, thankfully!

The government responses do seem a mess, though even in hindsight I couldn't say how it should've been handled. Seems like a global experiment that we wont see results for another month or few.

I'm not usually much for symbolic public displays, but the clapping and cheering last night was moving. The health care workers are in real danger.

Hope you stay healthy. At least you have some quality time to setup your new home. Be well.

12 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Look after yourself No10. I think I could safely say that all Demonlanders wish you a speedy recovery.

To give you something to do while you're in lockdown, could you explain your name? Are you a particular fan of Melbourne players who have worn the No 10 guernsey or are you referencing instead your favourite British Prime Minister(s)?

Thanks La Dee. My symptoms are mild thankfully, the breathing and tiredness is a different experience. Interesting to see how the players cope, without wishing them to be infected.

My name was a moment of failed creativity. However, given Boris is now also infected I could claim solidarity.
It was the current 10, Gus that caught my eye as the type of player I admire. He's not as flashy as Oliver or Trac, but highly skilled. He's hard but more composed than Jones. He's witty and well spoken without the big personality of Max.

He's the glue of a team.

I love all these players, but Gus feels like the reliable constant. That I appreciate. Thanks La Dee

I’m in London. I almost certainly have a mild case of the virus. For me it’s not been dramatic, I’m 40 and in solid health. They currently only test here if you’re admitted.

The first week was like a light flu. But the past three days it’s like someone standing on my chest (a very light person). I notice the work to breathe. I can fully appreciate the need for ventilators and the seriousness it could cause in others.

I’m completely fine and confident I’ll recover without any need for a hospital visit.

Regarding AFL!

I was firmly of the belief they’d play a few rounds and then be halted by a surge of cases.

Then infections would peak over a couple of months. At some stage, games could resume as Australia moved past the mass infection-at-once threat.

But it seems Australia is trying for full containment.

That appears different to the northern hemisphere, (which might be sensible, I’m not a doctor)

I wonder what this will mean for the rest of the season? I had optimism, but not so sure now.

Note- I know many people have far more concerning issues than if we’ll see football again in 2020. For those, I wish you the best and hope for the best.

8 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

CGI coverage of the stands has been a possibility for years. They did it at a rugby union game years ago.

It's the MCC who is against it.... they own the ground advertising rights. They had apoplexy at the time

This technology has progressed in the past few years, integrating computer game drivers. It involves large LED screens - so the players would also see the (strange) simulated crowds.

Incidentally, an Australian DP has been doing some impressive work with this technology on the Star Wars projects.

43 minutes ago, My name is legion said:

Unfortunately this season of footy will be cancelled. It would be ridiculous to go ahead with it given the current state of affairs. 

Fortunately your opinion seems to be counter to those that run AFL.

Can’t wait for Sunday... Go Dees!

17 minutes ago, green_machine said:

There is a big misconception regarding how this will play out. Choices are pretty basic

1)  Let the pandemic play out- overload hospital systems.  Mortality rate of at least 2.5 percent (Vs 1 percent with healthcare)   this will take 3 to 4 months

 

2) contain eradicate until  there is a vaccine.   Basically massive lockdown that might get rid of it (China style) or more likely extensive Italy style lockdown for months and months and months.  I reckon 18 months till vaccine.

 

Either way football is gone for this season even if teams don't realise it

Think your basic options are off base Green.

option 1. Government fine with current containment rules. AFL will start games tomorrow.

option 2. Government implement stricter rules. AFL doesn’t start.

I hope for option 1. The rest is all guessing and politics.

4 minutes ago, ManDee said:

Let's replace players with people/person. 

People can have the virus but not show any visible signs of having the virus.

And the virus is highly contagious as we all know.  Shopping, public transport, schools have a lot of contact with potentially infected people

It's not a stretch to state that an undetected person can pass the disease on to another unsuspecting person who can then pass the virus on to family members (which can include grandparents and the like)

High risk in my opinion.  The sensible move would be to delay shopping, public transport, schools until it's safe (or safer) to proceed.

--Does anyone here truly believe that footy at a closed stadium is as much of a risk as shopping, public transport or going to school?

I agree, playing games with all the monitoring and control is a resonable and sensible way forward. It seems the players and AFL agree.

Of course option 1 would be nice, but that seems the most unlikely. It’s either start playing and see how it goes or fold 2020

Well done if they get games started. Will be impressive leadership if they make it 4 or 5 rounds without major disruption.

I hope this plan goes ahead and I hope they succeed. I hope it's broadcast globally that the AFL is playing football. It's this kind of effort that Australian's expect and take pride in the resilience.

7 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Confirmation:  Grand Prix to be Cancelled

Interestingly, it is the teams who want to pull the pin - good on them.  Shows leadership the organisers and governments didn't have.

 

This diagram shows what governments are trying to manage: delay the CV peak to not stress medical resources.

 

Source: The Age

Lets hope they can pull it off. 

I suspect a lot of planning is based on the timetable shown in the diagram:  Estimating when the peak will hit and develop contingencies for when to run events. 

Re the AFL season, someone suggested earlier that the season be reduced to 17 games where each team plays each other once; a great idea.  The fixture would need a little rejigging and maybe more mid-week games but that would be far preferable to no season or a totally compromised season.

It's a graph that makes plenty of sense. Would be interesting though to see an economic line included somehow, there are also heavy consequences to the balance (as you mentioned in an earlier post)

But I can't understand why a sport that's more made for televised watching than any other (F1) wouldn't run without crowds?

13 hours ago, Demonland said:

The problem with this is they can't see what's happening off the ball or down the field and can only commentate on what they see on the screen. 

For example they won't be able to analyse our forward entries properly because they'll only get half the picture. They'll see the bombing in but they might not be able to tell us what options were available. Not in real time anyway. 

Maybe they'll have more than 1 TV in the studio. If not, they can hire me for this and other genius broadcast future ideas

7 hours ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

Hey may well be one dimensional, but he's very bloody good at that dimension.

The only thing he needs to learn is to sometimes not take possession of the ball. 9/10 he's being tackled before he gets the ball because the tackler is 100% sure he's going to take possession. He'll win 5 frees a game if he taps the ball to advantage occasionally, rather than take possession.

Viney version of Selwood. It’s a very good point.

Jack can be a game winner, made for finals, it’s crazy people here question his value.

I’ve no doubt Gawn will make an incredible captain, but I hope Goodwin etal are smart on managing how he leads on field.

There were (far too many) games last year where Gawn fought hopelessly to the end. As captain he could likely go too far, be too proud and be injured.

Selwood and Hodge are surely the captains everyone looks at. Both know when to step into the game. Gawn has been playing at 100% and as captain could go 110%.

The burden of captain is real, too many of our brightest players have been damaged recently. Only Jones was improved by the role, Roos knew how to assign the role.

5 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

That’s essentially the old Academy/Father-Son bidding system. Now the AFL use a Draft Value Index which assigns a relative points value for each pick. Because Green is one of GWS’s Academy Players, they will get a discount so their pick 6 will beat our pick 3 and they’ll pick him up. If they trade 6 for 14 and 17, pick 14 alone wouldn’t be enough to trump our bid. I’m not sure on the value of each pick pick but 14 and 17 combined may not be enough to beat our bid.

Right - so only trading up can give them two top 20 picks. Top 5 in fact.

I agree there’s a solid reason trading to 8. Seems more likely p3 will trade... and for some reason I can’t get that excited about Young.

11 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

This is where I’m at Jr. I’ve said it before, we didn’t do the trade we did with North to secure pick 8 then on-trade it to another team for two later picks. We went for pick 8 because we want a certain player. 

Let’s say Kemp at 8 could be an option. But what happens if we bid on Green at 3?

GWS have 6. What are the rules for them to do this trade to Geelong: p6 for 14&17. I understand they get Green with 14 and later picks, then still have 17.

They’re not going to do nothing and waste 6 if they can do the split. Or am I misunderstanding the system?

3 hours ago, Ohio USA - David said:

Q: Is it wise to pick a player like Kemp who may be sidelined for twelve months and would be selected based on minimal past records. ? i acknowledge his athleticism and history.

Welcome to DL Ohio.

In answer to your question- you don’t have to worry, mostly everyone here is an expert on every player from 4 minutes of video highlights.

Having not even watched his footage I can tell you Kemp will clearly be a superstar. Unless he becomes Trengrove-mark-II.

Somebody else will likely have a more illuminating answer you your valid question.

17 minutes ago, Deefiant said:

There's 2 different drafts, the national draft and the preseason draft. He's more likely to enter the preseason draft. The preseason draft happens after the national draft and in the past has been for delisted and players who missed out in the national draft. But with free agency and rookie drafts it's become less popular. 

Martin is more likely to enter the preseason draft as he's more likely to get to carlton. We enquired about him because in the preseason draft we have the pick before Carlton. GC also have the option of picking up with the first pick. 

Ahhh. Of course PSD / ND.

So he’s not remotely in the conversation then. GC should select him, no question?

But sounds like he will extend another year

37 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

he won't go into the nd

Thanks DC, I’m sure you’re right.

Then why the continued noise? And comments from his manager after trade period closed.

And if @Deefiant is right about around 25, then why did we inquire about him? Perhaps that was that before the end of trade.

I find the trade value and player movements confusing, I guess that’s why all these guys do it full time

2 hours ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

Martin has the option of going into the National Draft and picked up by the first bidder which won't be Carlton.

If he goes into the PSD and GCS take draft him he will have two choices:

• Sign for two years (the minimum term) and then ask to be traded next year.
• Not sign, sit out a year and nominate the club of his choice in 2020.  GCS get zip.

He is probably better off signing a one-year deal with GCS and leave as an FA next year, even if he plays the year in the NEAFL.

GCS seem up for a fight and I reckon they will bid for him in the PSD - they have nothing to lose.

What's most likely LH? You seem more across player movement/contracts than most.

Would GC really use their first pick on him? Let Anderson slide to 3? Or will he more likely just re-sign?

If PSD and GC select him, what does that mean for his free agency status next year? If he leaves they'll get another pick 1 or 2 anyway a year later?

If GC pass, would we need to take him at 3? Or 8?

Seems our draft position has so many potential strategies it hurts my brain.

12 hours ago, Redleg said:

Can I give you my old microwave for your brand new 75 TV?

Same deal.

Wasn’t a genuine suggestion... BUT GC do need players who actually want to live in Qld. Miserable if they’re all homesick. They have culture problems more than talent problems.

The Wagner boys are good footballers, at their ‘peak’ and well liked guys. They’d be a good addition to the GC squad.

So more seriously, both Wagners plus 2020 first round for King?

They surely don’t need another 2019 draft pick, and no high level player is going to GC.

What will St Kilda offer that’s better?

BOTH Wagner boys for pick 2? Or King?

Not remotely a fair deal, but they need players that want to be there. Help the talented kids they already have enjoy Qld. It’s not exactly a bad spot to be an overpaid footballer.

6 hours ago, Melb16 said:

I always find this stance interesting. Not having a go at you as I’m just generally interested, but what would you like him to say?

Butting in... I want him to straight bat with more confidence.

I'd like Goody to say "the game style requires all 18 on the field to function at a very high level. When it doesn't work it fails completely, but when it does work it's football that will win finals".

I agree with @Sorry kids that his media impression matters to the players, even subconciously. However, I also believe @stevethemanjordan that Goody is a world different when not on camera.

Goodwin is making a lot of mistakes, but he's learning...

7 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

He was on over 500k a season when he was at Port and could demand the same from us. If he’s been let go from Arsenal and wants to return home, it’s not a bad wicket. 

Gosh, 500k. Good career choice, stay fit + get rich.

Slightly OT, but I was put off by the ‘pace setters’ when the players were running in pre-season. In that it surely falsely enhahnced their times. Faux data set perhaps didn’t help.

Demonland pre-game articles by @Whispering_Jack are among the most brilliant writings in any sport media. “Scream” v WC deserves some kind of sports literary award.

I’m a great fan of @The Oracle also and @george_on_the_outer on the post game, consoles my wounded pride at being a Dee.

I’m sure it’s been said before... but the considerable work and passion is much appreciated, I’m sure by all.

51 minutes ago, chook fowler said:

I think the problem is our player development- too many have not come on. 

This must be the real question.

The only players to have markedly improved under Goody are players that fit his team game style (whatever that is) - like ANB who can make numbers around the ball.

Roos gave the players roles based on their attributes and those players rose up.

Harmes is maybe the only player Goody gave a signature role - and he shone.

I hope he can pull it together. But the fact there isn’t a great deal of exciting player development with a list of extreme talent... this has to be the big question