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I don't see under any circumstance why we should re-sign Baker.

Another ruckman on our list is more important than a wingman/half back, who wasn't considered for selection this year.

29 minutes ago, darkhorse72 said:

Intestine on trading day on fox.  they said for both the LJ and Dunkley trades, they have asked for these players to come to their clubs and offered big contracts.  It's really up to them to come to the party with the offer to finish the deal, even if they pay overs. 

 

 

Fox really getting into the guts of the trade.

2 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Bailey Rogers, really good WAFL player but I’m sorry he ain’t making a big impact at the next level

The self appointed draft guru Knightmare works for ESPN and I'm sure he wrote that piece. He was pushing for Bailey Rogers to be drafted last year. 

I've watched a bit of WAFL this year, and you're right, Bailey Rogers wouldn't be high on any club's radar. He's a slightly better version of Jimmy Munro.

7 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Bruce is ‘chronically injured’ in the same way Lever, Gawn and Petracca are - he did his knee once.

Some posters love a whinge about players being ‘chronically’ injured simply because they were injured in 2022. 

The players you mentioned did their knee in their teens/early 20's. I'm not saying that Bruce is chronically injured, but history tells you that it's less likely that an older player will return to the same level of mobility/agility. 

Based on your logic, we don't need Bruce because T Mac and BBB will be just fine.

11 minutes ago, BAMF said:

I hate myself for saying this a bit.

We lack depth in tall forwards and outside midfielders. Let grab Bruce and Hunter if they are cheap and try and squeeze the most amount of talent we can.

We are in the window. Let's go for it. I don't give a [censored] about his tattoos or hair (yeah, I rewatched Moneyball last night. Great film).

We climbed into the window with young players like Jackson, Kozzie, Rivers, Bowey, Sparrow and JJ all being given opportunities. We slipped this year because our older players were supposedly banged up. I want the next generation of young talent that we have at Casey to be given opportunities.

Unless the players we bring in are best 22 and still in their prime, it's a regressive move. I want our success to extend past a short window.

What message is it sending to the young players if we keep topping up with older players with question marks? Young players are impatient. They'll seek opportunities elsewhere if they aren't given a chance.

15 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

What’s your alternative solution? Realistically.

If the club think that that BB or TMac are cooked, the option is to play Petty up forward with JVR, play Turner down back, and have Tomlinson as depth.

And I don't want Bruce getting a game ahead of JVR. JVR might get "homesick" all of a sudden.

3 hours ago, waynewussell said:

Tomlinson is far from a spent force. He mightn't pull much interest from other clubs, but he progressed steadily from that ACL to the point where he was on the verge of a recall. His dominance at VFL level confirms his worth. He is ready to go if injury or player movements open up a tall defender opportunity in the next three years. I'd be happy to see him on our list over that time span.

He didn't dominate at VFL level, and was underwhelming when he played in the AFL. The club see Turner as the next cab off the rank as a key defender, and rightfully so. And I'd rather rookie Ellison than keep Tomlinson on our list.

11 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Is this the same Josh Bruce that kicked 48 goals in 20 games in 2021, including bags of 10 and 5?

Compare that to everyone’s beloved Ben Brown who kicked 30 in 19 games this year.

Think of what a player can do rather than what they can’t.

It's the same Josh Bruce that kicked 1 goal in 5 games this year including a bag of 1.

20 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Can’t hit the side of a barn by foot, a little shaky at the contest and is more of a kick chaser than a reliable position player from what I’ve seen.

His move from Collingwood was partly a salary dump, but he’d come down from this best form before that already. 

Yep, he was a must have in Fantasy football last year because he could rack up meaningless possessions.

Yes he is a better option than Oskar Baker, but I want our kids like Howes, Laurie and Woey to be pressing  for selection. 

Brilliant strategy of trading in 2 players who are coming off long term injuries. If Bruce is only on our books for 1 year, then a straight swap for Tomlinson is ok. But if we extend his contract then we've lost the plot. 

Bring back Josh Mahoney.

4 minutes ago, Tarax Club said:

Alan Johnson?  Surely one of best West Australian footballers to take the field for the Demons period.

I knew there'd be one. AJ's career was almost finished by the time the Eagles entered the competition, so no real go home factor.

9 minutes ago, Redleg said:

He doesn’t have to say it, everyone knows it. North would take him and even if he refused to play, they could trade him the next year and would  get likely more than we are being offered atm. LJ wouldn’t want that and so if we can’t do a deal he probably stays for another season and tries again the next year when Bell has left.

This may be what makes Freo blink.

There is no way North would take Jackson in the PSD.

14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

But of that list, only LJ and Farmer left when we wanted them to stay. 

Regardless, it's still not a great return on top end WA draftees.

48 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

An interesting view on WCE sliding down the draft from #2.  The Age podcast indicated they see some of the players at the top of the draft as 'flight risks' so will look to local players.

Given recent trends with elite players 'going home' very early in their careers and the drafting club being short changed in most cases, that is smart thinking for the top end of the draft. 

The view of 'backing in your system and development' doesn't seem so compelling these days.

Just thinking about that, and I realised that we have a poor retention rate of WA players acquired at the top end of the draft. Here's a list off the top of my head of those who ended up back in WA:

Luke Jackson

Jesse Hogan

Cale Morton (bust)

Jeff Farmer (freo traded the rights on him for Phil Gilbert)

Troy Longmuir

Phil Gilbert

Jason Norrish

Darren Kowal

Warren Dean (Pre draft)

I can't actually think of a WA player who started and finished his career at Melbourne. I'm sure there's some.

12 minutes ago, KLV said:

So, Freo have asked Jackson to go in the psd, “demand” $1.5M per year and let other clubs pass until he gets picked up by Freo. Jackson has sad no.

Did Luke or his mum say "no"? 

Just now, Lord Nev said:

IG is apparently "Australia’s number one trading platform" so kinda makes sense...

So we boycott them if we don't get a fair deal for Jackson.

Given this is the Trade section, have we swapped guernseys with Hawthorn for a 2nd rd pick?

16 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

Got to ask the questions

Source... or more so, context of source...

Cameron Schwab left it up on his whiteboard.

11 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Crossley looks about 120kgs in the VFL. 

He might help with our salary cap. Looks like the type of bloke who'd accept a slab and a carton of ciggies as match payment.

38 minutes ago, rpfc said:

If Harrison Petty wasn’t at the club, Tommo would be a fine tall back to free up Lever.

No he wouldn't. If that was the case, other clubs would be chasing him big time. Tim Lamb came out and said that we are well covered in that area. In other words, Tomlinson is down the pecking order.

There was a reason why he didn't finish top 10 in the Casey BnF, and other defenders Buntine and Ellison did. Tomlinson quite often got caught in no mans land when the opposition won a contested possession and kicked long. And he's not a good one-on-one defender either. His stat line would look good because he took the kick-outs and played on, and also would get a lot of handball receives. 

Would love to see another club take him off our hands, but I fear he'll be a list clogger on good money for the next 2 years.

1 minute ago, Lucifers Hero said:

 

The AFL twitter is a bit confusing.   Are they waiting for a club to be interested or 'need another club to participate' ie a third club to make a deal happen that we can get done, hence in 'the hands of the dees' comment...

The entire comment was ambiguous. 

It's obvious that neither Freo or WCE are prepared to sell the farm for Jackson. Neither club is getting in a bidding war because they don't have to. 

My take is that Freo committed to Jackson early this year, and Jackson was sold on the idea. Freo have cooled on what they think Jackson is now worth after his underwhelming season, but don't want to renege on their financial offer.

Freo will get Jackson, but not at the same price they would have given up last year.

We currently have 2 KPFs in BBB and T Mac, who are banged up, and would have us questioning their output going forward. Both are younger than Max. So why do people think that acquiring Grundy and giving Max more time up forward will extend his career?

1 minute ago, Lord Nev said:

Weird that Sidebottom was cut out as well yet finished top 5 in the BnF then...

 

Sidebottom looked disinterested in 2021, hence his relegation. McRae got him firing again.