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Many of the more recent premiership ruckmen started their career at another club, and left due to lack of opportunity. Nankervis, Stanley, Cameron and Fort. Gawn is the odd one out.

I'm more excited with the acquisition of Max Heath than I am with Mihocek.

3 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

you place a dollar figure on his head, it becomes an auction. We don't want that as we are leveraging Trac as part of the deal

Humphrey's manager would know exactly what contract his suitors are offering. There is no way that Humphrey will nominate a club, and then find out he could have got millions more elsewhere. It just doesn't work that way.

If we are playing the game as you say, we are [censored].

Did we play the same game with Flanders?

PS: Your interview analogy in your subsequent post is not the same. A regular employee is not being headhunted by 3 suitors.

19 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

I love his no nonsense approach. I thought he answered and framed the Clarry thing well.

I read on another thread from one of the perennial Eeyores that Lamb was further undermining leverage with any Clarry deal.

Lamb said that "we had a really honest chat with Claz where Kingy outlined how he saw our midfield moving forward and how we wanted our midfield to operate, where he saw Clayton fitting in with that and then obviously we've seen a bit of interest in Clayton from rival clubs, so we'll see how that plays out".

Then when asked whether we would contribute to any ongoing Clarry salary he said "we're not gonna talk about any details about what a deal would look like with any of our players at the moment".

If you get excited by Lamb's spin, good for you.

It's clear to most that we want him out the door at any cost.

If the club is paying any of Clarry's salary whilst he's at another club, then it's an indictment on Lamb's list management. It's the thing that cost Collingwood's Ned Guy his job.

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

Lamb is decreasing his currency by the minute.

3 minutes ago, 0livers Army said:

The game’s evolution from stoppage based to transition based is overstated. These things always go in cycles and teams who are consistently good in stoppages generally finish in the top half of the ladder.

And regardless of the type of game we’re looking to play or what becomes the trend in the comp, I still don’t understand the popular opinion that Oliver is a one dimensional inside mid. Even this year he’s our only good two way running genuine mid and at his best he was just about unparalleled in defensive midfield statistics. Even at 80% he’ll be a big loss in this area.

Bingo. I was just about to say the same.

Clarry's fitness may have been an issue at times over the past couple of years, but his defensive efforts when fit are no worse than most elite inside bulls.

3 minutes ago, Dee Viney Intervention said:

As a hypothetical if Trac does go to the Suns I genuinely don’t think there will be a huge spike in local interest in the Suns. There just doesn’t appear to be massive interest in professional sports on the Gold Coast. The Suns have poor home attendances, and home games feel like away games where there is more support for the visiting team. The Gold Coast Rollers basketball team didn’t last long in NBL, Gold Coast United in A League came and went just as quickly. Even the Gold Coast Titans in their premier sport draw poor crowds.

I just don’t see a huge spike and quite frankly I don’t care. I’m at the stage now where it is best that Trac goes. He clearly doesn’t want to be at Melbourne and I certainly don’t want to move him on at any cost and I would be having talks with other clubs if Gold Coast won’t come to the party. Then go back to Tracs management and give them options. We can’t do trade with Gold Coast how about a/, b/ or c/. Or we will see you day one of pre season training. This has to be a line in the sand moment and in the best interests of Melbourne in terms of culture and on field performance for both the short and long term.

100% agree that Trac won't move the needle when it comes to interest in the Suns. But the Suns see themselves as being well past the stage of gimmicks like Karmichael Hunt. They are trying to become a serious football team, with onfield success.

Despite what others may think, Trac will make them better.

And there aren't other clubs who would be interested in Trac, that have the capital to get us a better deal than the Suns. I'm sure that the Hawks and Pies would love Trac.

11 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Tom Morris just said that if Melbourne ask for Humphrey in the Petracca deal then Gold Coast will walk away.

Reckons they would ask for 3 first round picks.

This contradicts what Demons Forever had to say, which was if Humphrey nominates us, the deal is done.

10 minutes ago, Adam The God said:

But by signalling we'll pay 700k pa, we are saying we want him out the door, but we'll pay this if we get something back. We're not getting a first rounder, but a player might be handy.

GWS have a lot of handy smalls. We need small forwards. I'd start there.

I agree that a handy player is more desirable than a 2nd rd pick, but the machinations of luring a decent GWS player needed to occur before King had the meeting with Clarry.

I don't believe that the decision to shop Clarry was solely King's. He's basically just walked through the door. The $700k pa we're paying would be a List Manager's decision, and something that was probably ratified by Guera and Green. Again, it's not a decision that's made on the spot after King's meeting with Clarry.

I don't have confidence in our List Manager to believe that we'll be adequately compensated for Clarry.

Just now, Jaded No More said:

Or, wait for it, he has friends in Sydney he wanted to catch up with on the way.

Jesse Hogan and Toby Bedford.

12 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

So the Saints wined and dined him with some top brass attending and I think I read somewhere we had a coffee meeting with him. Not sure if that’s right but if it is why did we not go all out and roll out the red carpet to get him.

Maybe we wanted him but not bad enough not sure what the play was here but having his former coach as our head coach did sfa

I'd say that Flanders had committed to joining the Saints for some time. He gave King the courtesy of a catchup, but his mind was made up.

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Don’t know what Cats can offer for Marshall and he is contracted, so Saints could just say no.

Can't see TDK and Marshall in the same team. A future pick could be on the cards.

17 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Weird that premiership contenders are going out of their way to entice a player that doesn’t run both ways and can’t hit targets

Two time winner of the Coaches Award. It's weird that a player with so many weaknesses was valued by so many coaches.

Goodwin's "chaos ball" has a lot to do with the ridiculous Demonland narrative that Petracca and Oliver can't hit targets.

16 minutes ago, kurtneverdied said:

I wanted Flanders but would be interested how much we did offer him. If it was less or equal than Saints then I guess either King didn't think he was worth that and/or Tim Lamb finally being conservative on the contracts.

You don't acquire players from other clubs by being conservative with contracts. Especially when the Saints immediate future seems more promising.

King's role would be to sell the club. He wouldn't have any input on contracts.

25 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

Doubters will doubt

Hats off to you Demon Forever. I was skeptical. But the fact that he is also meeting with 3 other clubs in a concern.

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Pickers on Trade Radio pretty much just said that according to his mail, Flanders to St Kilda is happening.

Journos are more in the know than Fan Forum sources.

I'm not surprised. Flanders having a courtesy coffee with King and Jones this morning was probably to tell them of his decision.

2 minutes ago, Demon Forever said:

I can categorically tell you that is not the case. His manager is well and truly on the lookout

No offence, but you also said that Flanders is coming our way. The Saints telling Steele to look elsewhere suggests otherwise.

At this time of year player managers aren't bluffing, and it makes no sense for GC to trade Humphrey even for Trac.

3 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

There are 16 other teams we can trade with.

People on DL acting like the roof is caving in if we don’t collect Bailey and Flanders specifically.

Both players probably are our plan A but I am pretty confident our plan B would be to use the healthy draft picks we suck out of GC to lure someone else (who probably isn’t even being spoken about yet).

You are dreaming. You honestly believe that there is an A grader out there who is seeking to join a club that is in rebuild mold? And our record of attracting talent to the club has been so good under Tim Lamb, lol.

4 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

I think we should have a look at Jack Steele, especially with Trac and Oliver going out.

How about we just hold Trac and Clarry to their contracts.

There is a reason why the Saints want to let Jack Steele go. But nothing surprises me when it comes to our recruitment of players from other clubs.

2 minutes ago, GawnOfTheDead said:

Flanders is not coming to us, Jack Steele told to explore options.

Flanders has probably told them he’s nominating them.

Imagine going to that team. Yuck.

So within the space of an hour, we've been told by a source that we are getting Humphrey and Flanders, to now being unlikely to get either.

I think the maligned journalists have a better record than Demonland sources.

7 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Straight swap for Wade Derksen.

3 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

Just out of interest, can anyone recall a player openly nominating a club and then not getting there?

Pretty sure Nick Stevens nominated Collingwood, and the deal didn't get done, so he nominated for the PSD and ended up at Carlton.

PS: The bloke was the biggest piece of excrement in AFL history.

Let's see if the club is legit or all talk and no action.

Flanders and Humphrey are both still under contract. GC can stipulate that either player has to move to us as part of the Trac deal, and vice versa.

Getting pick 6 or 7 would be a massive fail for a club that is saying Trac only gets traded for a massive offer.

I feel for Steven King. Based on the interview, the club is in "win now" mode, but most rational football followers would see us in a rebuild.

Both Richmond and Hawthorn had a clearout of players post dynasty, and the next coach was hired to start the rebuild, with no expectation of playing finals.

Should we lose Trac, Clarry, May and McVee, with Viney and Lever on the decline, T Mac and Melksham on their last legs, King would need to be a miracle worker to make the finals in 2026.

I still believe that if Trac and Clarry remain at the club, and we get Flanders, finals is still a possibility with a refreshed game plan. But with a mass exodus of players, I think King is on a hiding to nothing.

Not fussed if it's true. A lot happens in a year. Derksen is supposedly a swingman, yet couldn't get a game despite GWS having heaps of injuries to key backs and forwards.

3 minutes ago, waynewussell said:

Did it ever occur to you that this might have more to do with our salary cap?

We had Houston all but signed last year. He wasn't cheap.