DemonFrog

No I support communities. Its unfortunate but it appears you have completely missed the point of what I been trying to say here. As I live in a residential area therefore a Tattoo Parlour is not allowed to open up next door to me. That what zonings and Town Planning schemes are all about as they are designed to protect communities by allow appropriate developments/activities in specific areas only. Communities need residential, commercial, industrial , cultural, civic etc. areas set aside. In this case however part of the community is the land owner who has a legal right to develop his land as long as its consistent with the zoning in which it is sited. The community had an opportunity to have input into setting the Town Planning Scheme which included the zones etc. It clearly that the community did not object to the zoning in this case as there appears to be a number of businesses offering similar foods for sale and no one objected to these stores operating in this area. I even taken the time to look at the street and surrounding areas via Goog Maps. IMO a Maccas store would not be inconsistent with the other commercial buildings already there. In fact I would think it would improve the standards in the area by having a modern building there. I believe in fairness to all and that would not happen if it was left to a majority vote with regards to this or any other development. As your are actually advocating to remove the land owners rights to use his own property without any compensation. It appears to me most if not all the agreements against this development are based on BS (Made up issues or ones that can be managed). How would you like it if you wanted to build a shed in your back yard which is a similar shed to every other property in the street but your neighbours hate you so they all object to you having this shed? Another example is you wanted to start a fish and chip shop next door to another fish and chip shop, but the owner of that other store objected to your business, as they did not want the competition and the other owner is more popular in town. No, my mind is clear here as I am well aware of this issues your system of popular vote on development issue will cause the communities etc. They can be times when decisions have to be made for the good of the wider community e.g. where should potential offensive industries such as egg farms be located. Under your system they would likely not be allowed anywhere. For the third or fourth time I must state this is not about the money or even if the Maccas store actually opens up. To me its about having a fair and equitable system for development.

BBO love to but just had to drive 2 hours to my other place to do chores and then drive back here So I need a drink or two first.

BB do you need me to show her how then, as it appears you have been neglecting you duties' ROFLMAO

Go the Dawkes! They beat the Shockers and I loved it.

Not to smoke and this thread is like no other.

Come on BB we all know you have a secret crush on her. You are with friends here so please tell us what you really think?

I hope everyone is ready for the big day? Bananas, bear and meat pies for all for this special event. I have my special big event Avatar for you all to enjoy. So relax, sit back and enjoy the Shockers getting a flogging from the Hawks.

You can never meet a more parochial Sandgroper then me. So if you screw around with my WA Football team,I will always want Vengeance! Methcoast did and will again with their WAFL Host Club arrangements, so I am no longer a supporter and have the same issues with regards to the Shockers. These arrogant Clubs cost my WAFL team at least one Grand Final win. Therefore I can only wish them both bad luck and misfortune. It will be a cold day in Hell before I would support either of them again. My WA Team which I have supported since I was three or four (way before the AFL started) wears blue and red and sings "Its a Grand Old Flag" and are the 2013 WAFL Premiers. So you can all understand why IMO there is only one AFL team worth supporting? So my heart beats true for the Dees in the AFL. Therefore any other AFL team is at best only second rate to me anyway. Go the Dees!

LOL you know why I liked this photo then.I would love the MFC to have this design in its jumpers.

Just follow the money as it will lead you to the truth.

That dog kennel is brilliant! But my Rottweiler and Dalmatian would not fit in it.

This one is for you OD. Bananas and a bit of culture as well.

LOL I am celebrating a Grand Final win so I been changing my Avatar. I always seem to pick the under dog teams so everyone is very special. If only we had someone in charge of the MFC who know what they were doing before the start of the 2013 season, maybe I could be celebrating a MFC grand final win tomorrow. WJ everyone loves Frogs so no need to hide LOL

The rule of the Mob (Majority) can be a very dangerous thing. It is easy to create an issue with lies, half truths etc. Look at what Hitler did in the 1930's and 40's or G W Bush Jnr did in his reign of Terror. It can be so easy to get peoples passions running overtime on issues which can have major consequences. For example G W Bush using the 911 incident to invade Iraq which killed millions. Imagine being accused of a crime and having to face everyone in the community who will determine your fate. This clearly would not be a fair trial. If the court disregards the Law and convicts you simply because they think you are guilty and did not care if this could be proved or not. Then you would want a process of appeal / review. The Law is what protects us in a society without it, the Law of the jungle would reign. The strong dominate the week etc. Personally I want a system that is fair and equitable. Communities should have the opportunity to have a say, but if they don't, then they can only blame themselves if things happen that they do not like. I found it interesting to read about Athens when every freeman could vote and have a say. Under that system it was only four years that they were not at war with some other people. Two Athenian Admirals was convicted by a mob and sentenced to death because some accrued them of letting some sailors drown. The accuser convinced others of their guilt. You may say this will never happen but Mob mentality is unpredictable.

But the Maccas store is owned and operated by a Local Businessman, so it is a local business. As the Town Planner at work told me the other day business like this actual create more economic activity in the area. So the truth is local business will actual prosper from such a development. But it is true some may be disadvantaged but overall there will be more employment and profits for the local community. I did look yesterday on Google Maps to see what the Town actually looked like, just to see if the Store would impact on heritage of ecstatics etc. IMO that not an issue at all the store would be suitable in the location proposed. There also would be no major impact on the Townscape of the area when this development takes place as there are a number of tacky looking buildings and structures already there. After seeing the actual town IMO there is no rational reason not to let this development go ahead subject to certain conditions etc. Clearly people are running with their own personal agendas here! However I always suspected the objects was based on self interest and the bias of a small group that actually convinced the majority to support their view. Everyone is entitled to an opinion even if its based on such views. Based on the Local Governments own zoning and Town Planning Scheme this legal right to reject it. Therefore VCAT was only enforcing the Councils own planning laws. This is hardly the State imposing its views on a small local community. The Town planning can be changed to stop future development but this may require the local Council to compensate affected land owners which could cost millions. A system of Veto will not work and IMO cause 1000 times more issues/problems then this one. Having worked in a number of country Local Governments around WA I feel I have a good understanding of local issues. IMO there is two group types of people trying to stop this development. One trying to protect their own businesses and the other who may have left bigger towns/cities to have a quieter lifestyle. This second group IMO would have moved to the area within the last 5 to 10 years. As previously stated I have no interest if the Maccas store is opened or not. This could have been an issue of a person being allowed to build a shed or wanting to open a private cemetery.

I feel the same about Freo Supporters LOL The place is infested by them So I call them the purple plague Did not help that their supports were also thrashing Melbourne this week. Also it does sadden my that my father was a passionate Freo member but past away four years ago so will not see them play let alone win a GF. Go the Hawks!

Would it be Wrong? A man once told me that they wanted to see their team beat my team in a Grand Final by 1 point! This incident happened in the mid to late 90's while we both were working for same Local Government in a North West Mining Town. A Gentleman who made this outrageous statement later went on to be a radio personality in Perth. Would it be wrong to seek Revenge over these comments?

Did he leave his copy of the 1964 VFL Grand Final behind then WJ?

You have to be kidding me! I see the orange coloured Fish and Chips Shop which also sells Suchi, coffee and steak sandwiches. Which is not far from the Mini Mart that sells beer, cigarettes and tobacco, sweets etc. Many of the building don't look that old and appear to be built in the 80's So let me see if I got this right its okay for the children to drink beer, smoke cigarettes. eat fish and chips. But they are not allowed to eat Macca's. Love the fact the Macca's store is planned to be next to a major road. Not sure if the locals think this development will down grade the vision of the road. Or could it be that attractive car wash the so want to protect? The Victorian Police Force should raid this Town as the residents must be on more drugs than a WCE ice party. These protestors are complaining about a shop that going to sell similar foods to what can already be purchased from business in the street.

Never been a big fan of his but not seen alot of his stuff either. Is there a movie worth watching that really shows his talents?

Did someone say the word banana?

It is surprising that a Maccas would be opened in a community of only 2,000. There must be alot of passing traffic

Who would want to go to Messendon? They are about to crash in a big way soon. At least there is Hope and Roos at Melbourne. Oh well if he wants out let him as it gives us room for someone else who wants to wear the red and blue.

So it can not be about health issues then?

Surely we can do better then getting some hack from Collingwood? Yes I admit I hate that Club, its President, Coach, Fans and Members and finally the players. Even their team colours suck big time. Have we not learnt from Mark Neeld that the place is toxic to us. Better to stay away and spend our money somewhere else.