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When I first heard that the Demons were targeting a player named "Viv", I did a bit of a double take. We were supposed to be going through a process of toughening up after the era of bruise free and unaccountable football of recent years so what's this "Viv" thing all about? Then I remembered the obnoxious punk character played by Adrian Edmonson from the fabulous British television series "The Young Ones". I was never sure about how tough Viv was but he aspired to a state of violent anarchical toughness that could well personify the Demons of the future. Not sure either if Viv Michie has a nose ring or wears studded leather jackets but he can make himself welcome at the club anyway because the 21 year old 185 cm, 85 kg midfielder from Fremantle is described as "strong, good overhead and impressive in the stoppages," and that's exactly what we need. The Demons picked up Michie, originally from the TAC Cup team Oakleigh Chargers via Fitzroy Juniors, with a fourth round national draft selection in one of the first of the year's trades announced in mid week. Michie represented Victoria Metro at the 2010 AFL National Under 18 Championships, shone at the Draft Combine that followed and was picked at 44 overall in that year's national draft. His career has been heavily curtailed due to stress fractures in his right foot which have limited him to a single AFL game for the Dockers. He came on as a late replacement in Round 14 this year against Geelong when played as a substitute and picked up 13 touches in half a game of football. Despite the limitations he won WAFL club Peel Thunder's best and fairest amassing high disposal figures, particularly in clearances from stoppages. If he can stay healthy, Michie is in a perfect position to kick start his career at his new club which is desperately in need of players who can get quality possessions at the coal face. In that regard the next trade to come down was the big one. It happened on Friday when Melbourne traded its first and second draft picks for gun GWS mid Dom Tyson, pick 9 and a lower level swap of selections. The similarities with his new teammate from Fremantle don't end at the fact that they both came through the Oakleigh Chargers where Tyson was skipper of the 2011 TAC Cup grand final team that also included Jack Viney. The former Giant, was drafted with the third selection overall in the 2011 AFL Draft and is described by Melbourne's manager of football operations Josh Mahoney in this way: "Dom is a tall midfielder who is exceptional around the stoppages and has a unique ability to find a gap in traffic. He is strong overhead, he has good touch and depth with his kicking." He wanted to return to Victoria last year but GWS refused to listen to an approach from Richmond. This year, he was restricted by a knee injury and limited to only 3 games. Tyson has finally made his way home and will play a major role in rebuilding the Demons' midfield. His manager Nick Geischen told the media that the 188cm tall midfielder who is being compared with recently retired Brisbane Lion Simon Black, was in Hawaii earlier in the week when he received news of Melbourne's interest. The opportunity to play under Paul Roos in the midfield and be close to family friends was probably the main reason to come home. Melbourne also secured Adelaide Crows midfielder Bernie Vince after a long drawn out saga in which negotiations were held up pending the release by the AFL of the exact nature of the Demons' compensation selection for Colin Sylvia. Eventually, the AFL ruled that the club would receive 23 for losing Sylvia and that was good enough to consummate the third Demon trade of the week. There's some uncertainty as to what definitions Paul Roos applies for his "no dickheads" policy but in most respects the Vince and Sylvia changeover is a masterpiece of equivalence. The 185 cm, 86 kg Vince attended the prestigious Prince Alfred College in Adelaide but has been known to be a naughty boy with Adelaide since he was drafted with pick 32 in 2005. In 2007 and 2010 he was suspended by the Crows for missing curfews and in 2012, he was reprimanded after reportedly stripping down to his underwear in a pub after celebrating his cricket team winning the premiership. Even though he's now 28 years old it's exactly the sort of behaviour we would expect of the Young Ones. Paul Roos' challenge will be to harness the ability of his new charge so that he can emulate his Adelaide Crows Best and Fairest award in 2009 and the Showdown Medal he won a year earlier in Showdown XXIV against Port Adelaide. Hidden among all the stories involving players recruited to bolster its third world midfield, Melbourne also announced another coup - the appointment of highly respected former Hawthorn and Swans development coach George Stone. Herald Sun chief football writer Mark Robinson might well have possibly been a trifle premature earlier in the day when he announced Melbourne's push under the new regime had stalled but one person who will be delighted by the week's developments and that is Nathan Jones who for two years has singlehandedly held together the Demon midfield. He won't be doing it alone next year. To be continued

THE TRADING CHRONICLES by The Oracle THE YOUNG ONES When I first heard that the Demons were targeting a player named "Viv", I did a bit of a double take. We were supposed to be going through a process of toughening up after the era of bruise free and unaccountable football of recent years so what's this "Viv" thing all about? Then I remembered the obnoxious punk character played by Adrian Edmonson from the fabulous British television series "The Young Ones". I was never sure about how tough Viv was but he aspired to a state of violent anarchical toughness that could well personify the Demons of the future. Not sure either if Viv Michie has a nose ring or wears studded leather jackets but he can make himself welcome at the club anyway because the 21 year old 185 cm, 85 kg midfielder from Fremantle is described as "strong, good overhead and impressive in the stoppages," and that's exactly what we need. The Demons picked up Michie, originally from the TAC Cup team Oakleigh Chargers via Fitzroy Juniors, with a fourth round national draft selection in one of the first of the year's trades announced in mid week. Michie represented Victoria Metro at the 2010 AFL National Under 18 Championships, shone at the Draft Combine that followed and was picked at 44 overall in that year's national draft. His career has been heavily curtailed due to stress fractures in his right foot which have limited him to a single AFL game for the Dockers. He came on as a late replacement in Round 14 this year against Geelong when played as a substitute and picked up 13 touches in half a game of football. Despite the limitations he won WAFL club Peel Thunder's best and fairest amassing high disposal figures, particularly in clearances from stoppages. If he can stay healthy, Michie is in a perfect position to kick start his career at his new club which is desperately in need of players who can get quality possessions at the coal face. In that regard the next trade to come down was the big one. It happened on Friday when Melbourne traded its first and second draft picks for gun GWS mid Dom Tyson, pick 9 and a lower level swap of selections. The similarities with his new teammate from Fremantle don't end at the fact that they both came through the Oakleigh Chargers where Tyson was skipper of the 2011 TAC Cup grand final team that also included Jack Viney. The former Giant, was drafted with the third selection overall in the 2011 AFL Draft and is described by Melbourne's manager of football operations Josh Mahoney in this way: "Dom is a tall midfielder who is exceptional around the stoppages and has a unique ability to find a gap in traffic. He is strong overhead, he has good touch and depth with his kicking." He wanted to return to Victoria last year but GWS refused to listen to an approach from Richmond. This year, he was restricted by a knee injury and limited to only 3 games. Tyson has finally made his way home and will play a major role in rebuilding the Demons' midfield. His manager Nick Geischen told the media that the 188cm tall midfielder who is being compared with recently retired Brisbane Lion Simon Black, was in Hawaii earlier in the week when he received news of Melbourne's interest. The opportunity to play under Paul Roos in the midfield and be close to family friends was probably the main reason to come home. Melbourne also secured Adelaide Crows midfielder Bernie Vince after a long drawn out saga in which negotiations were held up pending the release by the AFL of the exact nature of the Demons' compensation selection for Colin Sylvia. Eventually, the AFL ruled that the club would receive 23 for losing Sylvia and that was good enough to consummate the third Demon trade of the week. There's some uncertainty as to what definitions Paul Roos applies for his "no dickheads" policy but in most respects the Vince and Sylvia changeover is a masterpiece of equivalence. The 185 cm, 86 kg Vince attended the prestigious Prince Alfred College in Adelaide but has been known to be a naughty boy with Adelaide since he was drafted with pick 32 in 2005. In 2007 and 2010 he was suspended by the Crows for missing curfews and in 2012, he was reprimanded after reportedly stripping down to his underwear in a pub after celebrating his cricket team winning the premiership. Even though he's now 28 years old it's exactly the sort of behaviour we would expect of the Young Ones. Paul Roos' challenge will be to harness the ability of his new charge so that he can emulate his Adelaide Crows Best and Fairest award in 2009 and the Showdown Medal he won a year earlier in Showdown XXIV against Port Adelaide. Hidden among all the stories involving players recruited to bolster its third world midfield, Melbourne also announced another coup - the appointment of highly respected former Hawthorn and Swans development coach George Stone. Herald Sun chief football writer Mark Robinson might well have possibly been a trifle premature earlier in the day when he announced Melbourne's push under the new regime had stalled but one person who will be delighted by the week's developments and that is Nathan Jones who for two years has singlehandedly held together the Demon midfield. He won't be doing it alone next year. To be continued

I think the most important thing to discuss is what is his nickname going to be? Iron Mike?

From AFL Trade Radio Facebook: BREAKING: GWS trade Dom Tyson and draft picks to Melbourne in exchange for pick 2!

Nasher will be able to explain it better but it is something called GD that needs to be installed on the server.

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We've been experiencing some issues but are upgrading our new hosting plan to double the specs. This should solve all the issues we've been having unfortunately it comes at double the price.

Finding balance the key: Toumpas

http://afl.com.au/news/2013-10-14/hawks-promote-bruce-amongst-coaching-reshuffle?utm_medium=RSS Congrats to Brucey. Hope he returns to the nest one day.

According to the AFL site he is headed to the Kangaroos: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-14/brown-to-blue-and-white?utm_medium=RSS The Kangaroos are landing some pretty big fish.

This issue has not been solved yet. There is something Nasher needs to load onto the server and he will get to that when time permits. Loading of new avatars may or may not work for some people. Eventually this issue will be solved.

THE TRADING CHRONICLES 2013 by The Oracle NOT MUCH ADO It's already two weeks since the end of the 2013 season and there are another two to come before the AFL's free agency and trade period ends. There will then be another four weeks to the national draft, the preseason and the rookie drafts ensuring that the media will be full of stories about the game for some time yet and before we've all settled down, with Christmas upon us, the run up to the 2014 season will be in sight. Didn't the football media lap things up this week with a radio station dedicated to the trades pumping out interview upon interview and the print and electronic media churning out story upon story about the various intriguing scenarios that might come into play over the next two weeks? The trouble is that since I last reported to you early last week, only one trade has been consummated. In that time, the world has witnessed the continuation of mass killings in Syria, various acts of violence elsewhere, storms, earthquakes, the shut down of one of the free world's major governments and countless other events raging from major importance to triviality. Yet, with the eyes of the football world on the 18 AFL clubs, only one lousy trade was done and that came as a complete surprise. St. Kilda's offloading of key ruckman and potential team leader Ben McEvoy to Hawthorn for a relatively unrated medium forward and a late first round draft pick had the pundits divided. Was it a brilliant move by the Saints to build on its stockpile of early picks in anticipation of a major rebuild or a sign of desperation prompted by rumoured ailing finances? The position of the Saints is very much a great unknown of the trade period, as is that of Brisbane which seems to be fighting a rearguard action to prevent the defection of its younger lesser lights. Then there's Adelaide and Essendon who must fight this campaign minus any starting first or second round draft picks. Both appear desperate to work their way into earlier draft contention which they can only do via trades or through picking up free agents. Hence, the news of a possible deal between the Crows and the Demons involving Bernie Vince and possibly Jarryd Lyons, the son of former Demon, Marty. Time will tell what happens there. On the other hand, Essendon remains the enigma of the trade period. The big question is whether the spectre of the ASADA enquiry will bring about a hail of infraction notices and who would want to trade for a player who potentially, could spend the next two years sitting it out on the sidelines? The mooted trade of Stewart Crameri to the Bulldogs for pick No.22 is still on the cards but the deal is moving along, like everything else in this trade period, painfully slowly. Meanwhile the Bombers are eyeing Paul Chapman and even Nick dal Santo in moves that suggest they are confident they are on the cusp of being a premiership contender. The likelihood of that happening however, would no doubt be derailed if a dozen of its players suddenly had to take a holiday courtesy of the anti-doping authorities. The Done Deal Ben McEvoy (St. Kilda) traded to Hawthorn for Shane Savage (St Kilda) and draft pick 17. Yawn. To be continued

It's already two weeks since the end of the 2013 season and there are another two to come before the AFL's free agency and trade period ends. There will then be another four weeks to the national draft, the preseason and the rookie drafts ensuring that the media will be full of stories about the game for some time yet and before we've all settled down, with Christmas upon us, the run up to the 2014 season will be in sight. Didn't the football media lap things up this week with a radio station dedicated to the trades pumping out interview upon interview and the print and electronic media churning out story upon story about the various intriguing scenarios that might come into play over the next two weeks? The trouble is that since I last reported to you early last week, only one trade has been consummated. In that time, the world has witnessed the continuation of mass killings in Syria, various acts of violence elsewhere, storms, earthquakes, the shut down of one of the free world's major governments and countless other events raging from major importance to triviality. Yet, with the eyes of the football world on the 18 AFL clubs, only one lousy trade was done and that came as a complete surprise. St. Kilda's offloading of key ruckman and potential team leader Ben McEvoy to Hawthorn for a relatively unrated medium forward and a late first round draft pick had the pundits divided. Was it a brilliant move by the Saints to build on its stockpile of early picks in anticipation of a major rebuild or a sign of desperation prompted by rumoured ailing finances? The position of the Saints is very much a great unknown of the trade period, as is that of Brisbane which seems to be fighting a rearguard action to prevent the defection of its younger lesser lights. Then there's Adelaide and Essendon who must fight this campaign minus any starting first or second round draft picks. Both appear desperate to work their way into earlier draft contention which they can only do via trades or through picking up free agents. Hence, the news of a possible deal between the Crows and the Demons involving Bernie Vince and possibly Jarryd Lyons, the son of former Demon, Marty. Time will tell what happens there. On the other hand, Essendon remains the enigma of the trade period. The big question is whether the spectre of the ASADA enquiry will bring about a hail of infraction notices and who would want to trade for a player who potentially, could spend the next two years sitting it out on the sidelines? The mooted trade of Stewart Crameri to the Bulldogs for pick No.22 is still on the cards but the deal is moving along, like everything else in this trade period, painfully slowly. Meanwhile the Bombers are eyeing Paul Chapman and even Nick dal Santo in moves that suggest they are confident they are on the cusp of being a premiership contender. The likelihood of that happening however, would no doubt be derailed if a dozen of its players suddenly had to take a holiday courtesy of the anti-doping authorities. The Done Deal Ben McEvoy (St. Kilda) traded to Hawthorn for Shane Savage (St Kilda) and draft pick 17. Yawn. To be continued

I might do a technical support ticket to invision to see if they can point us in the right direction re: the likes. What's the exact problem?

I'm not sure it is anything that Nasher did as the thing we need to install on the server hasn't been done yet but I'm glad that it's work for you.

It's only affecting page 110 (http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34425-the-tradedraft-rumour-mill/page-110) for some reason If you click this link http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34425-the-tradedraft-rumour-mill/page-111 it will take you to page 111. i hope that helps until Nasher can figure out why that is happening.

I've passed these issues onto Nasher and I'm sure he will get a chance to look into it sometime soon. He has worked all week on getting this site working on the new server. There are a few little bugs to iron out and they will be in due time but give the guy a few days to spend with his wife and family. Afterall he is doing this for free.

Nothing at the moment. It is only page 110. I have alerted Nasher but he's done his hard yards for the site this week so please be patient.

http://demonland.com/forums/index.php?/topic/34425-the-tradedraft-rumour-mill/page-110 I will defer this one to Nasher. We had this issue with another thread and it resolved itself.

AFL latest: Adelaide's Bernie Vince meets with Demons Happy to take a look but please not for pick #2.

I will pass that along to Nasher and see if he can work his magic.

Bump

http://www.hawthornfc.com.au/hawthorn/news/2013-10-10/hawks-acquire-mcevoy-as-savage-departs.workstation

It seems to be only that thread. I have no idea why. Forum Footy really does have a problem. I will defer that one to Nasher. I don't think it is related to the issues we were having the other day. This seems to be a mysql database error.

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