Vandenberger With The Lot

I see a lot of similarities with Carlton right now to when we hired Neeld.

Old coach fired after only a few years
Bring in the club legends to pick the new coach
Experienced senior coach pulls out of the race because the selection process seems a bit scuffed (Sheedy and the powerpoint)

I hope for their sake it goes a little better than it did for us.

6 hours ago, roy11 said:

Changing sports for a minute, 3 Portsmouth youth players (all aged under 18) were sacked after a racist conversation was leaked online after the Euros.  It's balancing act of punishing the individual/needing to set an example against educating the offender. (An Extension of the retributive vs restorative justice debate if you will)

I don't know the answer or what is appropriate punishment for any of these instances. For Walker you can say 6 weeks isn't enough and you're probably right. Even if the AFL went harder on Walker I sadly don't think that would reduce the amount of racist comments some indigenous players receive online.

Fair enough. Perhaps cancelling a contract is a step too far, but my main point is the disparity between the way the general public is punished for a similar incident, and the way Walker is.

It comes off like the AFL is tough on racism until there's a chance it will cost someone money, then 6 weeks is good enough.

35 minutes ago, Dwight Schrute said:

6 Matches is not enough, i am of the view that if a player makes a comment like this they should be given a zero strike policy, they should be sacked on the spot. 

AFL players carry a responsibility to be role models and how many feral Adelaide Supporters, and wider supporters (Collingwoods entire base) will now think it's okay to say things like this because Tex did 

Im inclined to agree with you. Case after case of rank and file punters shouting things over the fence at players have resulted in membership cancellations and multi-year bans. The same integrity unit at AFL house then comes out and slaps a former club captain with 6 weeks.

Should the standard for players, especially a former club captain not be the same if not higher than that of the fans? What is this difference in this case?

I would think in this current year we would be moving towards flat out cancelling contracts for this kind of behaviour.

52 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Yes I thought the same thing

I understand why Goodes has problems with the way he was treated but I don't really understand his reasons for rejecting what appears to me to be clear recognition of his contribution and significance to the game

 

Having watched the documentary they did on his last season, I would say he doesn't want anything to do with the AFL. Fair enough

53 minutes ago, Sydee said:

Feels like we can never forget or forgive and move on and therefore racial tensions can never be resolved - rejecting the invitation may make a statement that your [censored] off but it doesn't seem to help with reconciliation and healing which has to start somewhere/sometime 

I don't think Adam Goodes owes anything to anyone. Last time he took a stand on racial issues, he spent the remainder of his career getting booed by crowds, and mocked by a club president. Why should he jump at the opportunity to 'help with reconciliation and healing' when he got burned so badly in the past

1 minute ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Anyone live tweeting the hearing..?

 

Now hearing they may not be allowed to play?

4 hours ago, Pickett2Jackson said:

Let us not forget the cowardly filth supporters who attacked Nathan Jones dad in the MCG carpark as a very young Zak Jones looked on helplessly.

I actually knew those guys, went to school with them. I will tell you now it wasn't the first time they had done something like that either, just the first time they got caught.

It was a pretty sad family background, mum was a heroin addict and the dad spent most of their childhood in prison for a pretty high profile shooting.

12 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Big development...

the Kayo Android TV app is now out and available on Google Play

Search for "kayo s" as just kayo does not show it.

Let the games begin

You need AOS version 7.1 on your TV so you may have to update your TV software

Brilliant news! I will have to install it tonight

Any early impressions?

1 hour ago, monoccular said:

Not that I actually care one iota but what sort of crowd did they get?

Were there any Poweraids Super Dopper Pooper Scoopers?  Did both in the crowd go bananas in response?

23k or thereabouts

Vail Resorts? International snowfield operator who I believe we're purchasing Hotham and Falls Creek

From what I understand the video was shot in Germany during Oktoberfest, and the substance he snorted is a legal  non- narcotic in Germany that is popular at that time of year

I had to laugh in the first when he fell over, somehow the ball landed in his lap as he got up, and Darcy commented how well read it was by him.

Great to see someone doing something nice as opposed to scalping them on Facebook. Pity you won't be there to celebrate

9 minutes ago, Demonland said:

They have to take into account the injury. Match review aren't consistent though. 

I would expect this will be referred straight to the tribunal

1 minute ago, biggestred said:

You literally said hed been all over the media for the wrong reasons.

 

He had been in the media for all the wrong reasons.

I still didn't say he deserved a harsher penalty than Gaff. The point I was making is that the perception of the person will inevitably have an impact, even though it shouldn't. Much like when Rance threw an elbow in to the back of Jack Watt's head and got let off with a slap on the wrist

Just now, biggestred said:

Yes gaff deserves less weeks than bugg because the media like him more.

Not at all what I said.

All I said is Bugg had a track record, I never defended what Gaff did or said he deserved less. I actually said he will get 8 if you had bothered to read my first comment.

2 minutes ago, biggestred said:

And what track record was that??

Mills was the first time he was suspended

2016 MRP fine for making contact with an injured player as far as MRP is concerned, but he'd been all over TV and the newspapers for weeks for all the wrong reasons leading up to that

26 minutes ago, Demonland said:

And the player he king hit played the next week.

Bugg had a pretty bad track record though. Still, given that Brayshaw's season is over it will probably be 8

33 minutes ago, DaveyDee said:

This is an annual event at your footy club great to hear it worked for you. Hope you enjoy the season. 

Yeah I knew about the drive, but it was the first year I have seen them send cards out

Must say I am impressed with the club's marketing. I hadn't payed my renewal yet. Just got a membership card in the mail today with instructions on how to activate it. What a great idea.

Then an hour later I get the membership drive call from Oscar McDonald and I signed up on the spot.

He reckons he is in for a better year than Tom as well

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Why would that be an issue?

He wasn't indigenous. He was Brazilian. Is he some advocate for 'affirmative' action hiring policies? 

Not sure on his motivations, just that it was his complaint. Here is the section from the article

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The documentary does not cover his time at Melbourne but he says now it rankled him that at this club, too, there was not one Indigenous staffer based at the MCG office nor any Indigenous coaches.
"I did not see one person of colour in their administration and in my career I've never once had an Indigenous coach. The AFL loves to boast about its wonderful Indigenous talent so why aren't their talents being fine-tuned for coaching?
"You tell me Leon Davis couldn't teach footballers. He taught me things about football no one else could teach. Why was that never harnessed?"
Lumumba said his return to Melbourne in the coming days will see him deal with "unfinished business". Having spoken previously of his battle with depression he has now rejected alcohol and prescription drugs as a way to alleviate stress – a well-worn path presented to him and which he has seen others take. He meditates daily, has transformed his diet, is in a relationship with an American woman he does not wish to detail and is in a far better place than during his final year of football.

I've always been of the opinion that we should hire the best candidate for the job. If our indigenous players would be more comfortable have an indigenous member on the staff, then I guess that makes an indigenous candidate the best for the job.

As for the Leon Davis comment, H seems to imply that Leon wanted to coach but no-one gave him a shot. I was of the understanding that Leon wanted to go home to Perth, and wasn't interested in staying involved in the AFL.

Will be interested to see if anything comes out of this "unfinished business"

5 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Chimp is unaccetable but so have some of mine.  I don't condone racism but I also think it gets highlighted in a politically correct world.

You are right of course as to how these things get blown up.

I guess this is always a weird one, because since the dawn of time giving insulting and hurtful nicknames has been a part of the footy club mateship and culture, but at the AFL level the clubs are also a workplace, so if someone starts making noise you have to stomp it.

42 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

He left a sour taste at Collingwood and the same at the Dees.  I was a fan but really didn't like how he messed us around for 6 months and left us a player short on our list this year.

I wonder what criticisms are in store for us and our doctors in his doco?

I won't be watching.     

 

Doco doesnt cover his time at Melbourne, but from the article, seems his main gripe at the Dees is that we had no indigenous people on staff. Not sure if this has changed since he left?

21 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

I've had all sorts of nicknames I didn't like. You cop them and move on. Stormy Charles was a shocker but you move on and let the players move on.

As have I, but chimp is pretty unacceptable.

10 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Did anyone have the misfortune of watching the 7:30 Report last night?

They tried to compare Women's AFL football, AFL membership and AFL support to the NRL and then somehow concluded that the AFL were soft on domestic violence by comparison. Of course the NRL has no Women's teams, their female membership pales in comparison and I'm guessing their ground roots support sucks as well.

It had to be seen to be believed.

To be honest Im sick of the media trying to push it's social justice agendas on sporting codes.

The AFL, NRL and their respective clubs seem to be the only two orgamisations in the country held responsible for the conduct of their employees 24/7/365.