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On 03/07/2025 at 11:03, Diamond_Jim said:

Hopefully Oscar to beat Norris on the latter's home track.

If it's the other way the WDC is wide open.

Storm who are in third place play the Cowboys (12th) in Townsville. As it's State Of Origin week could be an upset. Storm have been hot and cold and have lost a few close ones.

And of course there's cricket with Australia playing the Windies and England playing India in a ripper of a series in UK.

AFL..... does it matter anymore. I'm more interested in the Tasmanian elections and the Devil's saga. (Tasmanian politics are very boring)

Edit... sorry I forgot Wimbledon. With a number of the top seeds dropping is this "the Demon's" year to go deep into the tournament?

You forgot "The Tour" which begins Saturday.

You wont get any argument from me.

The confusion caused by the inconsistent application of the rules leads to frustration of players who create incidents.

Kozzie was never tripped when he dropped the ball despite our plyers being penalised for a trip when a tackle slipped down to a trip. Different match and different interpretation.

Our players are constantly called to play on and then deliver off balance or to poor set up, our opponents are given time to set up downfield. and a demon player better not move off the mark or a fifty metre penalty is paid.

WE just cant seem to get it right

We should get the umpires down to our training to assist us in what we are doing wrong.

Well the fog has lifted and I dont believe we can progress to finals where the Goody style could pull off another surprise.

So we can now deal in a dignified fashion to find a new coach and perhaps team. I am reluctant to recommend wholesale list management as we obviously have some champions in the group and also some very useful support.

With a temporary President, and CEO we now have a temporary coach. Lets use this period wisely to asses our next action.

I should add that the game clashes with the local Bushrangers game .

THey despite the difficulties of the season are vying for third place on the ladder and are guaranteed to give their all.

I cant watch both games even thought the Dees match will be on in the clubrooms.

Go Dees

I need to collect some fire wood, its a constant task. BUT will delay today while I visit the Nicholas hotel to watch the game.

Hope its worth it.

Need to tell the boys the sacrifices we supporters make.

Perhaps tell them that if we lose they will be rostered onto fire wood cutting stacking duties to build their resilience.

Im already thinking LEVER and TMac could be leading the team to get me through the winter, after their efforts in the Casey match.

On 24/06/2025 at 11:14, whatwhat say what said:

1/10th the price and utterly useless for a club with afl, aflw, vfl, and vflw teams to manage

Exactly why hawks have worked for the last 15 years to get out of the joint

WE could have Waverley, the population centre of Melbourne, as an administrative and membership centre while increasing and improving Casey as a player/ training facility

On 25/06/2025 at 13:48, old dee said:

Nothing will go ahead without state government money. They are broke. The MFC will end the decade at Casey / Goschs. End of story.

Its true that the State government has invested heavily in infrastructure with huge long term financial impacts. They are naturally constrained in what they are now undertaking. But they will continue to support activities.

It would be best to present a project that has a social and economic return. Not that that has necessarily had any relationship to support in the past. I reckon thats where Caulfield has an advantage. FB has the added advantage of being in a greenfield location already slated for expansion. A shiny new toy.

On 24/06/2025 at 11:10, whatwhat say what said:

Head office has bought Waverley from the hawks - close to $10m than $20m according to Jake Niall in the ninefax papers

Still, not a bad little earner for Dingley

I note the AFL is looking for greenfield sites to develop the game.

Would be easy for the club to promote Fishermans Bend as a greenfield site, but may be able to also promote Caulfield for same definition, using vacant space, aligning racing and football with community, breaking new ground.

25 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

To all who suggest P.M.

Ever tried to get to that place.. ??

Im trying to stay out of this debate as I am happy for Caulfield to play out.

But its also why Im more attuned to Fishermans Bend than Port Melbourne.

FB is a greenfield site with redundant building and space which all governments have slated for a huge population centre. Access is acknowledged as appalling. A destination Stadium for retail, accommodation, entertainment, corporate, functions, which would service that population, plus a training administration complex for a high profile AFL club would demand improved access infrastructure and perversely would encourage it being improved .

It would be great to get Jackson back and Id certainly be talking to him and freo re a return. Reminding him particularly of how we listened to him and released him for all the right reasons for him. He seemed to have good relations with players staff and officials at our club .We do not regard him as a retail package as other clubs would do we know him and treat him as a person and would love to have him , his girlfrreind and build a strong new family of teamates.

On that I would be transparent with our players, I dont want to loose any of the list but recognise that some will be leaving, Age ,ability etc. IF anyone wants to go to Perth we would consider their needs as we have with Jesse, JAcko, and Nibbler, but stress that if we get Jacko our list is strenghtehened, our playing style and structures would be changed and our success rate likely to improve, Re open the window.

2 hours ago, Roost it far said:

Except the council isn’t interested in us using the site but knock yourself out.

Not sure what council and what site you are referring to.

Havent seen any proposal at Fishermans Bend put to any council, but you may have more insight than me into what approaches the MFC made during feasibility rounds. I could get little information from Pert or Roffey beyond " we examined FB and it was too expensive" No detail who they examined any site with.

2 hours ago, Neil Crompton said:

At the risk of offending Werridee, here is a team i'd like to see that takes Tracc, Oliver and Viney out of our mids for the main - although occasional spurts through the middle would be ok - as long as its only one of them at a time.

B. McVee May Lever

HB. Rivers Petty Sestan

Mid. Windsor Langford Langdon

HF. Tracc Turner Chandler

F. Viney Jeffo JVR

R. Max Bowie Kossie

Bench. Oliver, Fritsch, Salem, Laurie - Howes.

TMac for Petty

Petty to sub

3 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Blaming the umps because professional footy players can't kick a 25m goal directly in front, that's a new one.

just a part of the problem but shouldnt be discounted.

I'm thinking of restarting the Fishermans Bend Proposal.

Its a green field site which needs an attractive community, entertainment, retail, corporate centre to sustain a projected population growth area.

Guerra may have contacts in the financial and business area to unlock much of the speculative investment already there. He may also have networks that can overcome the apparent malaise in development.

There is a FB committee which is moving at glacial pace and needs some positive project progress. Obviously needs state and Federal government support and Guerra would need connections in those jurisdictions.

I have little influence and watch the continuing debacle as I do the onfield performance..

Always support the Dees despite that.

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Yep, very much the potential dilemma and why we need to act to get ahead of it.

Hesitate and flounder.

The reality is the window is shut. This list as is isn't getting within a bulls roar of a Granny.

Time for a complete makeover. Reality suggests only a half dozen or so current Dees will still be running around in red and blue in 5 years time.

Need to bite the bullet. The current setup isn't taken us far.

The bolded bit is the only bit I hesitate over. The pity of it is it may well be the list that could win the Granny, as it once did.

Goodwin has many faults as do we all and I am so far removed from him and the players that I could not assume which of his is causing the hesitation. If ,,,Just Iffffff he could recognise and overcome so many of them we could win the big one.

It may well be that the genius of winning the games we have to, you know, those against inferior opposition , teams that contain less stars, teams that are developing but dont have the same fitness and support staff, that dont have the charismatic leader that dont win Grand Finals, could just get us there!

Thats what makes this game so exciting I guess.

If it all goes pear shape then Goody will not be the first or last coach to be let go. BUT i would be reluctant to have a complete makeover. Coz as Ive said many times I think we have a great list we just need to get that greatness out, perhaps by using the whole list and that just might be Goodys saving. Out of desperation he just might use a bit more variation than he has shown so far .

Bite the bullet and support the team

On 09/06/2025 at 19:14, BDA said:

Do we praise him for the effort the players showed

or criticise him for the players lack of composure

the coach is important

but its the players that cross the white line and play the game.

Goody is not telling them to bomb into our i50

and its not his fault our list have all the composure of bambi on an ice rink

Well yes,, but more than import ant

his is the ultimate responsibility.

He has to make them hit the ground with the confidence and will to execute the skills he and other coaches and their ability have given them.

All players are different amd he has the responsibility to select them for the best position for their ability

he has to select the best side to match the opposition .

The coach must pull together all the variables and win the game.

the club needs to turn thi into a positive, regain ground with the negativity and remind AFL of its rhetoric.

Something like

The club is more aware than most of the significance of serious injuries. The club has supported recent tribunal impacts and and has certainly made players aware of their responsibilities and duty of care.

We are frustrated, as are many, by the inconsistency that seems apparent and will be doing everything we can to improve ourselves and the game.

The club will be initiating discussion with the AFL, including umpires and tribunal personnel, to clarify our training to ensure techniques are improved. WE will concentrate on tackling and head high contact.

We could again approach Angus to take a role as Concussion ambassador for the club and the league. This is no doubt a sensitive issue but it is a subject about which I am sure he now has a greater knowledge than most.

We can also use this as an opportunity to have umpires appraise why opposition teams seem to receive more latitude than us in many circumstances. I have asked anyone here on Dland with the technical ability to prepare a folio of tackles, holding, dropping 50s etc from our games and compared to other games as well to find out what we are doing wrong in our techniques which is leading to the confusion and frustration in our games. I still think that uis worth doing. I notice the media dose seem to concentrate on on some incidents and ignores the many contradictions . I noticed many times the POrt players pulled the ball into a tackle with no infingement and then Viney gets pinged for the same action FFS.

The club really needs to make some sort of statement on the umpiring.

Our coaches are unable to coach technique and skill when our players are frustrated by inconsistent umpiring decisions.

I believe the goal kicking is a result of the lack of confidence in their ability caused by the lack of confidence created by inconsistent application of rules by umpoires.

Of course we could also practice kicking the football and not he round soccer ball in training. The bounce of the oval shaped ball is also an unknown to our players who fumble and drop the ball. maybe cos its not round. Get rid of the soccer ball and train with AFL footballs

God so much need to vent

Another season wasted when we have uch a good list of playing stock

Coached bear responsible.

Would hope some performance outcomes related to such a contract.

You dont want complacency to lower performance but there must be reasonable security for injury or other non player controlled output. Ie if dropped for balance or managed reason.

Could even include bonus payments for team related contributions. To ensure individual action to meet performance measures do not override team success.

I thought Van Rooyn did some good things. JUst not enough of them.

I reckon Tmac to the back and Disco to the forward could be the change. Petty to Sub

Finally watched the replay and while umpiring to me seemed to show pies getting more soft frees, the inconsistent nature of the adjudication is the biggest issue.

WE did seem to respond in this game by using the same tactics as the pies apply. For every free that TRac and Clarrie dont get for holding, Diacos was held by them plus Langdon and others and didnt get free kick

There were some howlers and the fifty against Lindsay seemed particularly harsh. I also reckon Kozzie was stiff as the ball was between his legs and he wasnt really given an opportunity to pick it up while another demon did so no impact on the game wheas the 50 really affected the game. Shouldnt have been paid.

I have stated that it is harder to retain focus and composure when preesure is high. Even a few seasoned pies players missed what seemed easy goalss coz they were under pressure. WE maybe need to practise kicking with that pressure and intensity..

A;; in all play like we did and we can beat any side . ID still give Jeffo some exposure to that level of intensity to see how he handles it. Have suggested he and Fritta rotate off the bench as they both seem to play a similar role.

4 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

I get the desire to play him but he’s had 2 good weeks, he still has to show week to week, contest to contest that he’s too good for vfl.

Then we have to decide who comes out. JVR needs a consistent run now that he’s come back to the team. He didn’t put it on the scoreboard but he showed he was too good for VFL.

Can’t drop Melk. Don’t need an extra tall in for Fritsch. No one loves Petty form but he’s more reliable long down the line than anyone else we’ve got.

Given our midfield doesn’t kick to leads we’ve probably got the best combination of talls available right now.

Ive said before and will say it again Jeffo and Fritta rotate off the bench both play time while hot and off when not happening. TMac into defence with Disco in forward rotating off bench with JVR forward only not rucking. Campbell AJ or Fullarton or Verall rotating with max off bench even if only play small nimutes . Petty is Sub only. can relieve forward or back and wont have to play the whole game .

5 hours ago, dees189227 said:

Our bombing into the forward line is really a major issue. When will the players realise it's not working

Dont know youcan say its not working when we just lost by apoint in what appeared to be a game where umpiring decisions also led to confusion and poor play

5 hours ago, binman said:

It's beyond a [censored] joke.

Another bloody game where instead of just enjoying the contest I'm livid at the standard of the umpiring.

What's the bloody deal with umpires 50 metreS away from a contest overrulimg an umpire who is 15 metres from the cintest with an unimpeded virew (eg the Howes marking contest free) - happens every week.

Made worse when they DON'T overuse blatant howlers or missed decisions, which i thought was the only time a non controlling umpire was supposed to pay a free (the bizarre decision to pay a block against melk in one on two contest when he was clearly shoved in the back)

What's the deal with the ridiculous inconsistency (eg sparrow insufficient attempt and then no free against daicos, tracc holding the ball with zero time to dispose od it then pies players with more time and no free)?

What's the deal with ruck lotto decisions?

Whats the deal with non decisions of blatant free kicks

One of the things that infuriates me us all the AFL accredited journalists give the idea of making them full time professionals is ALWAYS rejected out of hand by almost every single one if them.

I mean it's the only logical thing to do.

And the media's half hearted criticism of the standard of umpiring as if fans are just making it up how poor the standard of umpiring is, how much it is ruining the game for fans.

Can't bite the hand that feeds.

And to be clear i don't blame the umpires. I blame the [censored] AFL.

And i truly believe they don't make meaningful efforts to improve the standards of umpiring because all of the angst and controversy is such great content.

Ive said before we need to make a folio of he awarded and non awarded frees . not just our games but happening in other games and compare them to ours. Take it to the AFL and ask them to explain.