nutbean

Spot on . Thread successfully hijacked so I will leave it at that. My one zillion posts in the aforementioned thread makes my position clear.

RE-read the Frawley thread again and tell me if you would still like to maintain this position. edit - interesting thread - read the first five pages...then go to the middle of the thread...then go to the end of the thread. He apparently was much required at the beginning of the thread - by the middle when he still hadn't signed there was great shift and many suggested that we would be better off without him and by the end he was no loss at all. There was some support that pick 3 made him going worthwhile but I beleive that many of the negative views of him were coloured because he refused to re-sign and the expectation was that he was going.

I will suggest that Frawley ( who had some good games dotted with some games where he didn't go nearly hard enough) was absolutely maligned by supporters on this site based on his protracted contractual situation. Not to hard to replace and won't be missed. I expect to be shouted down by the "Frawley was a cancer on the club" brigade.

petracka-attark ?

I'm in the "wait and see" camp on this - but the points you make are pivotal. Get them right and we will have very good footballers on our hands. I am excited because it appears to me we have the structures in place to make this happen.

What has me excited is not only the quality coming in but Roos constant theme that "these kids should not be the saviors of the club and we must develop them". The club has backed Roos and put money into the development side. When you learn to develop kids properly and not pressure them too early that is exactly what might happen - they well may indeed become the saviors of the club.

Really ? the last time was Lucas Cook at pick 12..... eww

It will be interesting as nearly all commentators have McCartin going number one and I cannot remember the commentators ever getting the number one pick wrong.

I get that. - we also get so excited about these boys when we see the packages. The packages should excite us - These are "best of" packages - they have two years of footage to draw from. They are not going to drop footage in their of dropped marks, missed tackles and out on the full kicks. I could make a "best of" Cale Morton highlight package from his time with us that make us all lick of lips with anticipation ( well.. maybe I couldn't)

As long as it isn't one of your cars parked in Rosebay

Most of us can only go on what we see in these video packages but the difference in disposal between the two packages is really stark.

I have aim of next year my club going on a roll and winning every game of the season except for the last game ( the wake up call we need to have) and then going through in straight sets to win the grand final. ... Sometimes the best of aims don't eventuate.

We disagree with the amount of talent Sylvia has. What we don't disagree on is Sylvia's attitude and his willingness to work his arse off to be the best he could be. I hope anyone we draft possesses the trait to be the best he can possibly be. I am on record as saying that Jones is not an elite footballer however he is my hero as does what it takes to extract every inch of talent out of himself and be the best he can be. I think that Sylvia has more talent in his little finger than Jones but it is no contest to which one you would take every day of the week.

I think posters are confused by other posters such as yourself, and my attitude to these draftees. Absolutely I am excited to be getting what is believed to be the two of the top three talents in the land. I am hopeful that this TAC talent translates in long and prosperous AFL careers. But the hype has in so many cases not turned into reality. The boys that are hyped as the best now have constantly proven themselves not be the best in 3 years time. I will pronounce any of our draftees as guns when they have hit the big stage and proven themselves to be guns. Until then - I am keeping my powder dry.

We have been continually burned by the career reality not matching the draft time potential and hype. I'll get really excited when reality = hype. (I have allowed myself for the first time in a long time to get excited - Dom Tyson. Paid a big price for him trading immediate impact for potential "superstar" and he delivered from day one)

or conversely, he won't

I truly don't think anyone can pick (guess) who will be the best from the draft in five years time ( as history tells us) but I am prepared to settle. If Brayshaw/Petracca turn out to be Bartels rather the Abletts (Bartel in my opinion is a really good top notch footballer but Ablett is a superstar) - I am prepared to accept that. Up to now we have drafted what we thought could be Abletts that turned out to be Mortons.

Wasn't only posters - I recall reading in a couple of places that his disposal was iffy at times - but that hasn't really translated during his time at Port.

The two highlight packages are really polar opposites in terms of disposal - in the first he misses plenty of targets and in the second he doesn't miss a single target. As said before Scully as a number one draft pick has average disposal at best ( great hands though). There was a knock on Wines disposal but I haven't seen that at senior level.

Whilst I don't hold great store in the testing as these kids ( in the main) are far from matured, the testing would not be about if they were able to spell their names or not. It would be more about goals, aspirations and expectations ( expectations both from the players perspective and the club). The questions would try and tease out how much fire there is in the belly's and the lengths they will go to succeed. Imagine asking those sorts of questions to 18 year olds ! Tom Scully was meant to be the flag bearer for what you wanted from a player and would have been borne out by his test. Fanatical desire to succeed, fanatical desire to better himself and his junior years were very focused on him and his teams succeeding. He was a leader during his junior years. He would have ticked every box. Hence the reason I place little faith in these tests.

I immediately thought Travis Johnstone....

Reading Sylvia's bio and reading Petracca's - if we secure Petracca I would like to think he can become what we all hoped Sylvia would be - not what he turned out to be.

Get him to spell the band "ACDC" - for anyone who hasn't heard it - google "Spell ACDC radio contest" - it makes me weep for the future of this planet.

Yet the whole Sylvia comparison is retrospective - you can make an assessment on Sylvia now as we have seen 10 years of him. Sylvia was absolutely driven - at 18..It just didn't last all that long. Sylvia suffered from OP in 2002 but was dominant 2003. Not driven ? 2003 he was a tackling machine ripping games apart. There was no knock on Sylvia at draft time about his work rate or will to succeed. He was described as a competitive beast. "Does all the team things and is hard at the footy - 111 tackles including 13 in a game give you some idea of his work ethic. He is super competitive and even when he is struggling with injury still gives his all" "Has been compared to Michael Voss and should become of the best players in the league within 5 years. Medium, inside forward/midfielder who is a tremendous tackler. Player who leads by example. Great work ethic and very competitive. Had outstanding 2003 season winning All Australian U18 honours, TAC Cup coaches award and Pioneers B & F Award" . I can absolutely see the comparisons between the two in the limited vision I have seen and they way they play. I hope if we take Petracca that he doesn't turn out to be Colin Sylvia. The major difference between now and 2003 is we have a development team in place who will hopefully steer the kids in the right direction both on and off the field. I wonder how Sylvia would have turned out under if we drafted this year under this current regime ?

I'll be happy when in the near future we say "geez - wasn't he a good draft pick" ( like I am saying about Tyson). Until that time I won't get excited by any name called out.