Adam The God

3 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

I’ve got a high degree of confidence we’ll extract a first rounder from either Brisbane or GC. 

Where I’d go with a 2nd first rounder, I’m a bit torn between a small fwd (Joe Berry) that will help with groundball and ball movement in fwd half with a key back later on or flipping and selecting a key back (Alex Tauru my preference - scope for improvement is v high), and taking someone like Hannaford or Alger later on.

Would rookie Mentha & Andrew as well.

Yze?

Anyone that doesn't think we need a robust external review, from the board down, is drunk at the wheel.

But I don't think those on our board will want to undermine their ineptitude. 

2 minutes ago, Macca said:

Good points

I reckon we'll keep T-Mac for another year so in terms of talls, we might be ok front & back

Although we absolutely need a forward/ruck unless we go again with Fullarton (who couldn't even get a run when Max was out)

If we acquired a forward/ruck who is not just depth, do we keep Petty, JVR & Turner in the forward line as well?  Probably not

May, Lever & T-Mac down back is enough but maybe Petty goes back in a swing role (if we add in a forward/ruck) In that situation, T-Mac becomes depth? 

And there are injuries to consider especially with Lever & May

I think our talls are alright for next year.

We need to put our chips into beefing up the midfield and a small lockdown defender to release McVee higher. But maybe AMW can play this role?

1 minute ago, adonski said:

Lamb's been mostly doing the wheeling and dealing while we've been in the window hasn't he? Tougher to trade up and navigate pick swaps when your future picks are projected to be [censored]

Look, maybe I should retract my previous comment, because I'm not 100%. I thought Mahoney was often driving it, but as list manager, Tim would have played a significant role. But things don't appear to have worked as well since Viney and Mahoney left, so I can only assume they played a greater part. 

1 minute ago, Macca said:

History tells us that we've often been quite creative in terms of getting better placed in the draft

For instance, we moved up in the draft order from pick 6 to pick 3 in order to acquire Oliver

But moving up is one thing, acquiring another first round pick would be tricky to pull off

Agreed, but this was back in the day where Mahoney was a key player, as was Todd Viney. I trust JT, but the jury is out on Tim Lamb for me unfortunately. I think Tim has strengths, but we don't seem to be as nimble and efficient in trading up as we were, but there's probably a large amount of luck in all this.

14 minutes ago, Macca said:

With a reasonable amount of depth with regards to midfielders in the upcoming draft, do we try and get another pick in the 8-12 area? (after somehow moving a pick in the 11-14 area up in the draft)

The only way I could see that happening is if we swap next years 1st round pick for another club's 1st rounder this season

There might be a club who believes we'll struggle next season so a swap of picks is feasible

The Tigers could be a likely suitor as they might end up with a swathe of 1st round picks (To sweeten the deal we can add in a 3rd rounder or 2)

Our midfield has a question mark over it and we need to start looking to the future in terms of replacing a player like Gus.  Viney is 32 next season and Clarrie & Petracca still need to get back to their best

Rivers has stepped up to the plate but we need to look at 2026/2027 and onwards.  It's not always about the right now

Ideally, I'd like to see us add 2 up and coming midfielders this off-season

n.b. It should be noted that after finishing in the top 4* in 2023 we ended up with picks 6 & 11 in the draft (after Academy selections, 7 & 13)

*Losing both finals dropped us down 2 spots in the draft order

I'd absolutely be trying to be aggressive in getting access to two players in the top 15, and maybe even a third player inside the top 20.

1 hour ago, binman said:

Sure, though pick 5 is a good start.

Am I right to say we haven't traded our second round pick?

If not we'll have a mid twenty draft pick which might add a future best 22 player if we get it right.

After that tge draft is a lottery.

So we'll need to trade in at least two best 22 players.

That's a tall order, but with nibbla's, Gus BBB and smiths salary off the books, we'll have some room in our salary cap to be a meaningful player in trade season.

We traded our second rounder to Adelaide for McAdam, but will likely get that pick back for Nibbler.

I'd hope we'd get another pick this year and one next year to help us with NGA for Nibbler.

Best 22, premiership player, a year younger than McAdam. I'd hope we want more than what we traded for McAdam. 

11 hours ago, binman said:

I was thinking something similar.

If, and it's a big if, clarry gets super fit and tracc gets close to his optimal fitness we won't be talking about our midfield.

Particularly with kolt looking a monty to play as a mid forward pretty soon (waxing with tracc?) and having pick 5 in a draft with good midfield depth. 

JVR, Turner, Mcvee, Kolt and Windsor will go up a level with another preseason.

As you suggest, a huge preseason is critical - and if they can use this to get fired up all the good.

Having a few extra weeks break wont hurt either.

And a softer draw.

We do need to do more to our list than just add pick 5 though.

7 hours ago, Travy14 said:

GC need the picks for academy and Freo need for Bolton and Baker.

 

Exactly, so they'll need lots of later picks and be willing to give up a first rounder to get them.

12 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

Yeh we are not going to have a pick around the mark to get Jack unfortunately.  Unfortunately with the draft being so strong this year no one is giving away those early picks for future picks.

Don't agree. Gold Coast could well give us a first, as could Freo.

12 hours ago, Travy14 said:

Matt Whitlock - 199cm Key Forward/Def

Whitlock had joined his twin brother Jack in the forward line for the Bushrangers until last week, when he shifted back to defence and had a day out. He took 11 marks and collected 24 disposals while mopping things up in the back half against Dandenong. Whitlock’s versatility is part of his appeal as an athletic tall prospect at both ends of the ground – as well as his surety in defence, he has also kicked 19 goals in 11 Coates Talent League games this year. 

This kid looks perfect for us, looking like going mid to late 20s.  Providing that is what we get for ANB i love the look of this kid, can be a replacement for May/Lever in our future defence or at 200cm he could become a Fwd/Ruck

I'd say he'll be around our ANB pick, but he's much rawer than his brother, who to me, looks easily the best of the KPPs players in the draft. Jack looks like a gun.

We could even get both brothers if we manage to get another top 15 pick by trading out our future 1st.

21 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

If you think this has not harmed our brand and the perception people have of our club, you’re an absolute fool and you don’t understand anything about the importance of brand management. 

Anytime your club is in the news for failing to manage a star player, whether true or not, it is damaging. It creates a perception that we are poorly run and have a poor culture. 
 

Bury your head in the sand all you like, but the bottom line is, this club has been in the news for all the wrong reasons over the past 12 months and that is not good for sponsors, membership numbers or attracting players from other clubs. 

Yep, there are better ways to get the club to improve than the way this was dealt with.

But happy father's day, Adam. 

8 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Alistair Nicholson. 

Could well make a good Pert replacement.

14 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

i think this year showed how hard it is to set up the core identity you want to have as a team from season to season, let alone in-season

i think we'll continue to evolve our game plan based upon our personnel

my biggest concern is that we are seemingly wanting to move to a more skill-based gameplan - much like everyone else in the competition - but without the players possessing the skillset to pull it off 

I'd love to know what the players think.

I reckon they'd prefer the two options I proposed instead of the transition game.

IMV, it's much better to go against the grain.

34 minutes ago, Young Angus said:

I agree it is positive, just wouldn’t mind seeing some adaptive game plans and, perhaps some more exciting interesting fun watchable footy wouldn’t go astray. I’m sure he has it in him and occasionally we see something we like I guess. Perhaps patience is required from us fans 

He's adaptable season to season, he's also coached the highest scoring team in the league before, so he knows how to coach offensively, it's just he rightly IMV, values defence more.

I think it's likely we'll shift towards the 2018 style next year. We could play the 2018 attacking style in the H&A season and go back to the defensive territory game in the finals if we make it.

26 minutes ago, Young Angus said:

I wonder when we will all actually find out the truth about what’s been going on and what has upset so many people. 

Take a look at all the re-signings and they wouldn't be re-signing if they didn't believe in Goody and get on with him.

Doesn't mean Goody can't get better though.

1 minute ago, Young Angus said:

This is very true and back then it either at treat, but something isn’t right now and it needs to be dealt with. 

Very very happy to be proven wrong though

I agree, we need changes, but not the coach.

17 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Reality..

Trade Pick 5 out

Caleb Daniel

Jayden Laverde

Sam Day

 

We won't be trading pick 5. Take it to the bank.

We may well go for Daniel, and he might be handy for us. 

But I'm thinking more about mids and forwards that can improve our stoppage and forward half work.

That said, Daniel could improve our stoppage work as well.

I think the template should be a mixture of Port's 2018 draft where they brought in 3 talented youngsters, and then I also think we can use some older guys like Daniel and Wright.

Day would be a disaster and not make sense for our list at all, but I get you're being facetious.

12 minutes ago, Young Angus said:

Hawthorn also have a very good coach that seems to be very well liked and trusted by everyone. I’m sure that goes a long way. 
 

Now I love what Goody has done for the club and I know the players like him, but cmon let’s deal with the elephant in the room I just can’t see that kind of work being done by Goody like what Sam Mitchel has done to attract players and sell them success. Everyone knows what Goody will do, boring defensive game play, it needs to change big time because the dees supporters need this change to get interested again too!!

What are you talking about? He attracted Lever, May and Langdon, who were all vital pieces to the premiership puzzle.

TPP then can become a problem when you win a flag.

13 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

Sure, but who?

Harvey Langford

Cooper Hynes

Peter Wright

James Peatling or another top 30 draftee.

I remember being down at Geelong for his break out game. It's incredible to think how far he has come and how much he has grown as a leader.

Well done, big man. 

42 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

Pert and Roffey both need to go in my opinion, they're the heads of the ship and they're driving us into an iceburg. 

Lets get some real leadership, get a full external review of absolutely everything done and re-build the club to give us a fighting chance. 

Completely agree mate. And we need to do it quick-smart.

9 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

I actually think that’s part of the phenomenon.

So many current fan bases grew up with the notion of Melbourne being ‘irrelevant’ or a basket case, that when we put it altogether and became a consistent contender, we moved out of our ‘station’. Any goodwill dissipated quickly and we were viewed to have gotten too big for our boots and the resentment came quickly.

Add in that we’re getting wall to wall negative coverage (disproportionate some might say) drowning out their clubs coverage and we’re likely to experience Essendon levels of derision (when they hijacked the news cycle).

What a time to be alive.

This resentment and hatred works wonders for Collingwood though, so we need to harness it.

Ensure our football club is the best it can be, and use the us versus them mentality to drive ourselves back up the ladder, and we know because we've done it with this playing group before, that we can do it.

The cliche nothing is as bad as it seems is apt. 

Rennick is getting on his dragon, House of the Dragon style...

Completely agree @Macca. We have a raft of senior and emerging players that can carry us forward.

With pick 5, we can get a very good player for our midfield. If we can leverage our future 1st into another first rounder this year, there's a chance we get two top 20 picks, so two young mids to add to the emerging core.

If Trac and Koz go we'll be able to have multiple bites of the cherry this year with JT and feed these guys into Chocco's development program.

If we get the off field stuff right, we can reset the list prior to Tassie muddying the draft and remain competitive over the next 2 or so years, before we can absolutely attack a flag.