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What stuff up? Getting on the [censored]? If some moron hadn't have rung Eddie on MMM and made up some BS that Beamer had [censored] on the bar, this would've been a non issue The fact he lost the VC for this was a disgrace and to me it seemed as though to justify losing the VC, the club made him get up and repent his 'sins'

Difference, everyone knew Mitch was leaving. He'd tried to leave earlier as well, but no trade could get done Dangerfield hasn't made any noise about leaving and IMO seems pretty happy with the freedom the new coach has allowed him I'll change from 'fact is'.....but mate if we landed Dangerfield this off season, I'd be very, very surprised (I don't think he'll leave Adelaide....if he does, I don't think he'll end up at the Dees) Sorry if you think that's pessimistic, I think it's just being realistic By the way, I had a feeling of confidence re landing Mitch when we threw out hat into the ring, quiet confidence, but confidence none the less No doubt....but I don't think it's going to have a major impact in the short term Once it's been in place for a decade, once moves have been made, once it's more accepted as part of the norm, we'll see far more moves IMO (and wouldn't be surprised to see mid season moves coming in) But you said "people are still whinging" re the Brock trade No one is still whinging, very few whinged at the time (other than people being [censored] at Brock for wanting out)

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And I'm sure Neeld / Craig / Viney and co. will be exploring as many beneficial options for us as they possibly can However, being proactive and wanting something doesn't automatically make it happen Just look at the Mitch Clark issue. We went after him because he'd said he was leaving. That was a given. The club saw an opportunity and threw their hat into the ring. However some of these other guys haven't signalled any intention of leaving I'm sure that the club has made / will make enquiries about all suitable trade / free agent targets, that's their job, that's their responsibility Problem is a.) not all of the wish list will move b.) some of the wish list may have more attractive suitors we have to contend with Every year virtually every football fan bemoans how uneventful trade period is. A huge number of mooted trades never eventuate, and they were probably never going to. It's all rumour to create interest. Very few big targets get traded at trade time In it's infancy, I see the same thing happening with FA

Could someone please show me where it's been confirmed Jamar's talks are on hold?

You may well be right, you may not However, I think we're in a position to offer Jamar 3 and reasonable money Jamar is a leader of the club, he's stated he loves the club, he rejected a big offer from Port to return back home But after the Scummy debacle, who bloody knows

Baseless internet rumour with no verification holds as much water as "I want to be a 1 club player"

Well as you seem so certain, verify your source

So Jamar's said about a week ago that if a contract were in front of him he'd sign, now he's heading West, when Freo and WC have very strong ruck divisions? Tad confused

Media rubbish surely re Jamar There's been no word of Jamar putting talks on hold at all and recently said if there was a contract in front of him he'd sign Re Moloney, disappointing news I'm actually quite torn as to whether ir reflects badly on Moloney, or the club If a life long Melbourne supporter, gets his wish to play for the club he bleeds for, and is disillusioned and wants out then is he being a prima donna or are there greater issues at the club

No I advocate getting Dangerfield, absolutely 100% But fact is he ain't coming Offering up solutions that are unlikely may make you feel better, but sooner or later reality sets in Every single year there's thread after thread after thread on all supporter sites about "Lets get 'player x'" And 99% it's pipe dreams Ok, so you want me to offer up suggestions Let's get Brendan Goddard. Unrestricted Free agent, throw a bag at him, make some ancilliary trades for Moloney / Sylvia if the price is right, delist Green. Keep Davey, but exclusively as a crumbing forward (but sound out the market and see if there is interest). Recruit gun mids in the apparent super draft (along with Viney all depending on how that plays out) with the later picks we receive for Moloney / Sylvia, get some top line VFL players to inject some mature bodies, and recruit players who can and will play to Neelds Gameplan If trades for good mature mids can be made for Moloney / Sylvia then explore that option as well. Sound them out to clubs with deep midfields who may have a Josh Kennedy langushing in the 2s Other alternative, throw everything + the kitchen sink to get Sam Mitchell, and offer him an ongoing off field role (midfield coach) after his contract is up. Get him to show the likes of Viney, Gysberts etc how to go about it

In fact last year he seemed to beat up on weaker teams, and play poorly against stronger teams Sylvia v Dangerfield

Didn't see the game, so no idea All I've seen is wojo's crude tackle, holding Viney down, punching him in the face when Viney pushed him off and then cleaning him up resulting in a broken jaw

Ignoring them? Suggest you read my post again "....and an unknown quanity in a draft pick" A draft pick in ANY draft is an unknown And yes, they had a sniff because Clark had announced his intentions of leaving Has Dangerfield? Seem pretty happy to me

Agreed, if you look at the tackle he laid on Viney before the jab, that in itself was crude in nature So a crude tackle, he then held him down, when Viney pushed him off he punches him in the face, then later cleans him up when he clearly could've gone for the tackle I have no doubt he was targetting him

So Sylvia has to "lift" after 1 and a quarter games after coming back from a spinal fracture? Yes I know he's been frustrating to watch over the journey, but as I said earlier, we're not trading midseason, so lets see what these guys have to offer for the rest of the year

So Adelaide will happily replace up and coming gun they've put 4 years into for an inconsistent 27 year old with numerous off field indiscretions and an unknown quanity in a draft pick And you don't think he'd be offered that at Adelaide? History is on player loyalty Plenty of big offers have been knocked back, moreso than big offers have been accepted

I would love to get a player like Dangerfield, but it's fanciful I would love to get a player like Prestia, but it's fanciful wishful thinking, and hoping to trade in A graders doesn't mean squat, i'm sorry because the reality is it ain't going to happen What we need to do, in my opinion, is actually develop some of the existing list into A graders Have enough depth so these guys are consistently pushing themselves Phase out these guys gradually as the younger guys get more games under their belt Bear in mind that Green is done, and probably wont be on the list next year, and who knows if Davey will be They're our leading game players with 243 and 155 respectively If they're gone, as well as Sylvia and Moloney, we're then losing about 600 games of experience We've seen what happened after we delisted all of our experience a few years ago

But it comes back to what I said before Let's look at realistic targets It's good and well to have a wish list, and I think there's 17 other teams in the comp that wish they could have Dangerfield So if he were to leave, why would he choose us? He's playing for a team that's risen substantially in terms of output since last year, they're a finals chance, they're a team that's never down the bottom of the ladder long, he'll play plenty of finals with Adelaide Or he could come to what appears to be a basket case going no where real fast What we need to find, and really one of the only realistic chances of trades, is finding a Josh Kennedy (Sydney) type Playing for a very good team with midfield depth and not getting a chance The only thing we can offer a trade in, is gametime If they're getting game time at their existing club, and their existing club is doing well, why would they leave to come to us?

I disagree I don't think free agency will have the impact others do, not initally anyway Potshots? who the hell have I taken a potshot at? Whilst Dangerfield and Prestia would be nice gets, it ain't going to happen for 1 But it still leaves us with a massive black hole of EXPERIENCED players That is what we need, experienced players Prestia's played about 23 games and would be adding just another 19 year old inexperienced player Where we have failed so badly is with experienced players 26 - 30

Let's look at Beamers history since being traded to us In '05 he played 21 games - and the buzz around at the time was the Cats had made a massive blue in letting him go in '06 he played 7 games due to injury in '07 he played 10 games due to injury in '08 he played 8 games due to injury in '09 he played 21 games when we absolutely sucked and week in week out amongst all of those losses, he was consistently one of our best In '10 he played 18 games and win, lose or draw, he was consistently our best (capped of by 38 touches against eventual premiers Collingwood in a draw at the G) In' 11 he played like a yoyo, like the entire team FFS, belting a team by 90 points one week, losing by 90 the following I recall that during Jack Watts' 8 game purple patch many a poster saying that Watts was the only one standing up So it doesn't sound like Beamer was on his own with up and down form Not to mention the fact that clearly last year Moloney's success relied upon his and Jamar's relationship. And when Jamar went down, his dominance was quelled I think to say that for 7 years Moloney has been beating up on weak teams is a stretch I can cop people saying in 2011 Moloney beat up on weak teams

No I get all that My point is WHO ARE WE GOING TO TRADE IN If there was a viable experienced midfielder we could trade in, I'm all ears But look at trading in the last few years Name 1 midfield gun being traded that we had a chance of getting in the last 5 years I know where we are at as a club I know where our midfield is at I'm not saying we don't try and trade for some quality experienced players, I just don't know which quality experienced mids we can entice over

It felt like he was railroaded into it for mine

Fair enough, but the fact you have no one specific in mind, it just makes me think trade for trades sake The history of trading needs to be looked at, very rarely are experienced gun midfielders traded And if they are, I can't seeing a lowly Melbourne being a preferred option

I'm not talking about how you want these guys to play I'm talking about who you want to trade in Who can we bring in that improves our list in terms of talent and experience by losing Sylvia and Moloney?