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I'm only going on what's been said - and that is that Lyon spoke with Craig Kelly who confirmed he was not for sale - all the meanwhile Lyon went behond Kelly's back and signed with Freo

Lyon has had 2 coaching stints Both with mature lists he has merely refreshed Both lists had some very top line talent He has never built a list from ground up as ours needs Yes he instills work ethic / cultural changes (much the same as Neeld is trying to achieve), however we have no idea what he is like building a list from scratch Some of his recruiting has been terrible Either way, reports are Lyon sounded him out We didn't get him, Neeld seems on the right track, let's just see how it plays out

He kept Bate for 1 year to try and turn him around, all whilst making his assessment of the entire list. He cut few and wanted to see what he had to work with With the return we were getting from Footscray, it was worth the risk in an assessment year and didn't work. No one is saying Neeld WILL succeed. People who support Neeld are merely confident of his approach

Where he tells the training to go away politely? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cB6_3h63UI

Yeah but Bailey took the safe option, retiring verterans who were finished (whether they knew it or not) and cutting clear spuds (or helping some guys retire who's injuries were getting in the way - i.e. Wheatley and Whelan) Look at the list of players Bailey "culled". Anyone would've shaved them off the list His big move was trading Travis Johnstone who should've been traded years earlier Neeld isn't afraid to cut non performers / non buy ins early on, so they're not considered list cloggers and dead wood in 4 years

No. No you wouldn't Edit: Oops misread hate as like In that case, yes, yes you would

Then why did they borrow $8m off the AFL And yes, I realise the Pratt family is behind the scene, but then it's makes a mockery of their recent loan

This is going to be a very expensive exercise for Carlton Malthouse will cost them a mill per year Ratten will be paid out, and it was obvious Mick would bring his own team in Didn't they borrow $8m from the AFL not long ago? How are they possibly even funding this?

I used to, but came to the decision recently I don't You're spot on. It's the team.

More principle than fact..... Yeah yeah yeah. Let's not put the spotlight on our precious players. Let's not put the spotlight on the perennial underperformers. Let's not put the spotlight on the downhill skiiers. Let's not put the spotlight on those who cancel training sessions. Let's not put the spotlight on those that crack up because our club finally has AFL standard training and they think it's too hard. Let's instead put the spotlight on a first year coach who came from a flag winning club where he was directly responsible for one of the best midfields of the modern game, who pointed out the massive and long standing flaws with our club and will put his neck and career on the line to change them. Yeah, ok. Sensible outlook

I agree The people saying cutting Cook is the wrong move are the same people that say we waited too long to pull the trigger on blokes like Bate If Cook was still on the list in 4 years time, they'd probably say "we should've traded him when he had some value"

Not to mention the fact he attempts to pin the blame of drafting Cook over Darling on Neeld and Co. Rabble of a thread

What's more interesting (taking it with a grain of salt as it's SNF) is this line: The Demons are believed to have secured a handy small forward with crucial opportunist goal kicking as a serious appeal and are waiting for a chance to announce their new signing. On the others, Monfries AND Pearce, two soft players, I'd be surprised honestly if they were the sort Neeld would be after

If that's the case, and he can't handle home truths, then we're better off without him

It's both Can't believe that. Why would Neeld tell a kid who needs to gain approx. 8kgs that he needed to lose weight?

Wilkes....for Jamar......you're kidding.....right?

I just find it infurating that we as a club have been [censored] for 50 years. We have had a culture of the tail wagging the dog. We've held on to "potential" for 2 seasons to long until it's untradeable. We've maintained the status quo for so bloody long. We've accepted players so they can earn their super. We've drafted poorly. We've developed poorly. Finally we get a coaching team, all from elite environments, who can spot the shoulda-nevas, gunna-nevas etc. and will make the ballsy decision to clear them, and somehow it's their fault. The players Neeld wants have all bought in and re-signed. The rest are weak and have always been weak. And they can [censored] off I no longer care who is kept / cut / traded. Our current crop certainly have nothing to hang their hats on

Spuds

What I find funny is the players who are happy and are putting in / buying in have all re-signed. The ones rumoured to be unhappy with Neeld are all of the ones who don't seem to want to put in

Carlton supporters think they're keen on every out of contract / delisted / free agent player There's talk they want Cook too

It has NOTHING to do with the coach and everything to do with success But keep pushing your baseless anti-Neeld barrow

Neeld comes from a club with an elite regime He knows what it takes to be the best The players wanting out simply don't have the desire to be the best They'd prefer to be comfortable and not be worked too hard We re-sign Petterd - he does SFA for 2 years, the same guys bagging Neeld now would question why the club didn't cut him or trade him whilst he had SOME value

To those bagging Neeld and his approach. Please tell me what Ricky did this year to deserve a contract renewal?

Yes that's correct, I'm just saying that he was a bit of a left field suggestion, so clearly they have a type of player in mind

Well if the reports are to be believed, we offered a large contract to MacKay from the Crows. One certainly from left field, but must fit the profile they're looking for