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Okay. So unlike other players asked to play an unglamorous role , i.e. put the team over his self-interest , Oliver was selfish?

I hope when he dies that's what's on Sam's gravestone.

I have such great memories of late '94. Apart from our winning GF that final against Carlton might be my favourite ever Melbourne game ( live or on TV). Weeks earlier Melbourne had managed maybe 0.7 in the third quarter in their Carlton game only to see Carlton kick two late opportune goals and win running away in the last. We went into the final as 7th vs 2nd placed Carlton. They were maybe 4 goals up early in the second quarter. Then something clicked and some of our younger players stepped up and in a jiffy we scrubbed their lead and (almost like a mini version of the 21 GF) took over in the second half. Schwarz, especially, was amazing that days. The highlights of him at the time had our fans suddenly dreaming that with this Carey-like up and comer a flag might finally not be far off. There is overlap in these clips but my, at the time every time Schwarz went near the ball you'd get excited. Just look at the midair blind turn Ox did agsinst the Bulldogs about 11.25 in the long "before knee"...video! What might have been. (BTW it sounds like Schwarz was so deep in gambling debt on the day of the Carlton game he had to confront the coaches and confess all... maybe even ask for a loan. Maybe he could've barely touched the ball that day and have been forgiven.) (FWIW Gary Lyon broke records in the Dogs game with 9 goals in a final)

Umm, didnt King tell Oliver that he wasnt going to be guaranteed seniors games? Correct me if Im wrong but Oliver thought "**** that" and left. It's probably in this thread the video of Oliver mocking others about his attitude and pottymouth and dragging new teammates into his mess. The guy should be knuckling down as someone who needs to turn his form around and be an inconspicuous humble newbie (even though his best is incredible) grateful for another chance. Anyway he's not our problem. Too bad if ends up like a Fevola at Brisbane being like a poisoned chalice.

I don't know King from a bar of soap. But could he also want to esrablish honest relationships with his players and/or hope his warning/ultimatum would prime Oliver into a perfect preseason and get his attitude back to his 2021 standard?

Well, it keeps him off the streets. 😂

He's had an amazing life. When he was something like 10 he witnessed his father being murdered. Obviously that would affect someone and ended up with a crippling gambling addiction that almost destroyed everything including friendships and relationships. Thankfully he conquered that and turned his life around. I also remember one night that he was on the Footy Show. Melbourne were that week/month were the laughing stock of the league and Schwarz sat there taking all the barbs. Then that f****** Sam Newman congratulated Ox about his 150th game and walked over to him with a gift in a box. Schwarz could so easily have retired after all the slings and arrows way earlier so his milestone was a big deal. Then this happened ..... https://youtu.be/HBw2XjG5eKA?si=96jXI6nesYsJ1DN4

Someone could hold a tipping comp where all tips are made before round 1. But I wouldn't recommend someone tip this way when no one else does. I bet our coaches are only discussing which players are doing well and their individual programs over summer. While the concept of a best 23 makes sense midyear it doesn't yet.

BTW it wouldnt surprise me if AMW establishes himself in the team. Howes may also be a bit unlucky. Anyway there's still months of training before the eound 1 team is decided.

Hmm, there's a lot of faith in Culley and Pickett #2 given theyre about 4 and 0 for games. I sure hope you're right.

Hmm. Im reminded of the putdown "your writing was both brilliant and original. But what was brilliant was not original ... and was original was not brilliant." I reckon the basketball book mentioned and its concept of the disease of more/me could be fascinating. On top of that virtually every one agrees we have imploded. But I waited and waited for the substantial evidence of the link between the two, only to find that after Goody referenced something close to a disease of more, minutes in, the next hour could have been written by any of the most negative DL posters. I want that hour back.

Just as long as Fritta hadn't been at Ron Barassi's mum's house. 😂

Okay, I cant say I agree. I'm not sure why we need more than the traditional, the away and the indigenous jumpers.

Hmm. I was thinking a new club might sting him back into line. But then again a new coach and a near-ultimatum to shape up or be consigned to the reserves is probably the equivalent anyway.

It's funny. The physique screams out man but it also almost looks like "look Mummy, I'm driving"! 😂 https://x.com/melbournefc/status/1993250417552289919/photo/4