Go Ds

You said "But some people here have very short memories. They talked about contending for a flag at the start of the year" That's not the same as brilliant? Anyway Goodwin's gone. This is irrelevant now.

So "Google it!"? No! That's just a copout. The burden of proof is on you. Everyone who's ever touched a Sheerin knows about our horror start. What of it? If anything the few that actually expected a brilliant year got a rude awakening.

I'm sure there are years where the inner sanctum know the odds are wrong. Apparently at the start of 21 Goody told Mike Sheehan that barring injuries we'd win the whole thing. I dunno. I get the feeling that a side all set for late September would have had maybe two debutants and three others with games under their belt. Also I really think some forget how a few years ago week after week Oliver and Trac would be in the coaches votes and poll well in the Brownlow. While I wish injuries on no one i'd happily have see 3 or 4 (bar Gawn, Kosi ..) miss big parts of this year in exchange for Trac and Clarry performing at their '22 level.

In fairness you didn't first say "lapping". But otherwise what are you talking about? You think Ross and Goody are comparable?

I wouldn't have agreed. But he's done nothing at the Saints this time that screams out genius.

Indeed. Maybe some on the board expected a top four finish. But our flag odds and to some extent those 5 debutants contradict this.

Can you refresh my memory who was so confident of our prospects this year? We were probably 30 to 1 in March. I know on here some of us were quietly confident. But lots weren't even that! Then we broke some record with five debutants in round 1! Two of those had barely had a month as official players yet still our selectors chose them over our flag-ready warriors?

I sure hope the board didn't rely on speculation like that!

If the thought hadn't crossed his mind he would have never said he had the backing of the board. Could you imagine Fagan or McRae saying that? What's comical? Persevering a little longer with a coach who broke one of the longest ever droughts less than four years ago and who hadn't lost the players?

Since Brett Ratten Carlton up to Voss had 4 coaches none lasting more than 3 and a half years. I'm sure those 4 coaches in 8 years has been detrimental to Carlton's progress. IMHO you want stability and long-term coaches. At least Carlton realised this. (Melbourne maybe not)

Yep, it's all about results. Unfortunately it's too much so. You could hypothetically have a team lose 16 games by under a goal - week after week where just one bounce, dropped mark, missed 'sitter' goal or opposition fluke goal, injury, wind change etc etc - and despite ending the year with 6 or 7 wins and those 16 losses and percentage of 130 they start the next year under pressure. That same team may have been the 2nd best too. I'm not gonna claim I know where our team's at and how likely much at the current flaws can get fixed or lessened. But IF we really are not that far off it's incredibly wrong to remove our only living premiership coach for an unknown quantity. The silly thing is if things really fall apart for the next few years the general public will never know that we had actually been painfully close to Goody getting that 2026/2027 flag.

2 of the most important ones have been quite compromised for a year plus. It's disingenuous to leave this out. And correct me if I'm wrong there's not much Goody could have done to prevent Oliver and Tracy's plights.

Dunno. But keep me away from Dutch ovens!

I'd love to see the 'gurge bring someone like Eddie or Tom Morris up on stage and serenade them with I Sucked _____ _____ ____ ___ To Get Where I Am!

At least you've never had to listen to Brian Taylor.