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What hasn't been mentioned is that no Suns player remonstrated with Van R. Ellis was standing beside them as they fell and he immediately ran upfield, assuming a free would be paid...In other words, he was ten meters away and saw nothing untoward and assumed a free kick would be paid, end of matter...

2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If I recall, Powell was on our draft radar a few years back.

He'll certainly stay on our radar now...

Just heard Damian Barrett pontificate on this: wow, what a font of opinionated [censored].

13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

This will get you angrier.

In the Carlton charge Gleeson found that Newman hit Neale to the jaw forcibly, with his LEFT forearm.

BUT, he was charged with doing it with the RIGHT forearm.

He found the right arm hit Neale's chest.

He found that was not a strike.

Obviously not the underarm and armpit, which we know are lethal weapons. 

Instead of just amending to the left arm, which they always do, he dismissed the charge.

Whately can't believe it. Neither can I.

It's like you shot him with a gun in your right hand. No it's the left and therefore not guilty.

 

If that's not the epitome of Sophistry and jesuitry, I'll go she...

Can anyone explain what 'woke' means, especially in this context. Granted, I am an alte kacker, much jargon has passed me by - I lost track when everything became 'substantive' - and I assume it has nothing to do with bein awake. If it has, I'll go back to bed right now....

18 minutes ago, loges said:

Many years ago the tribunal was labelled chook lotto and unfortunately it is still chook lotto to this day. Players are cited depending on their status in the game, who they play for etc. Then you have this tribunal chairman who seems very happy with his own self importance giving reasons for the suspension that are totally contradictory . FMD

Crooks Lotto...

2 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

That ought to mean that Chairman Gleeson says, Enough. Not guilty. Next !

2 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Who is this Woods? His statement is moronic. 

Woods obviously knows absolutely nothing about the reality of the AFL game. It is a 'contact' sport....

1 minute ago, sue said:

Best but might sound like a smartarse

 

I was gonna say [censored]..

39 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Which fool came up with the idea for Raspberry bullets?

Dum Dums are more efficient.

6 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Not seen those... 

Please refrain from showing lollies: I'm on a diet.

15 hours ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

Who do you want to dig you out of the snow, a St Bernards or a beagle with ambition?

The political system has thrown up Prime Ministers Morrison, Abbot, Rudd, Turnbull, Keating, etc.   Shrinking violets to the man with hubris unknown.  Be Afwaid be vewy vewy Afwaid — (Elmer Fudd c. 1956)  Any mention of a recent State Premiers will cause this thread to self-combust.

No politics, please: this is an adult discussion about Flake and Violet Crumbles: please stick to the issue!

15 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I like potato cakes.....

wid salt and vinegar: a proof there's a God.

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

not against the idea, but i'd like a heck of lot more detail on what a republic would look like and what constitutional changes would be made

there are some very, very ordinary republics around the world

Even more very ordinary monarchies in history.

On 5/5/2023 at 9:48 PM, DeelightfulPlay said:

Look, some of us are cool!  I'm a tech lawyer (which means I'm deluded)

You mean law-err!

12 minutes ago, Neil Crompton said:

What is evident from that behind-the-goals video is that Jacob, after his spoil effort, still managed to bend his elbow in an attempt to lift his arm over Ballard’s head. If he had not done that he would have taken Ballard’s head clean off. To me that shows a duty of care to Ballard.

Exactly!!!!!!

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Correct call from the club to appeal.

It seems the only things in the AFL's favour are:

1. The vision which suggests JVR took his eyes off the ball; and
2. The need for a stretcher and what I assume will be a minor injury from which Ballard has recovered (as opposed to no injury at all).

There is not, and cannot be, a blanket rule that taking your eyes off the ball means your actions become a reportable offence. The onus on every player is to exercise a duty of care to other players. In some instances, the duty of care requires you to look at the player before you contact them. We cannot say that players must lock eyes on the ball in all instances. Here, in attempting to spoil, JVR checks the ball's flight, then looks at Ballard to try to spoil his marking attempt. As others have already argued, it is eminently arguable that he was trying his best to look out for Ballard, rather than the opposite.

So, taking your eyes off the ball might be evidence of a reportable offence in circumstances where, for example, you're at a stoppage and you strike your opponent (the player might defend themselves by saying they were trying to get separation but if you're not looking at the ball it's more likely you're trying to strike your opponent). But in this instance I can't accept that makes JVR guilty of an offence.

The stretcher showing up we can hopefully deal with to say that either the contact ended up being minor enough to fall below a reportable offence or, as a back-up argument, was only "low" (which would be a fine), or even more alternative was only "medium" (one week). But I'd like to not get to that point.

Also, van R actually punched the ball away: he must have been looking at it!!!!!!!!

1 hour ago, tiers said:

From an eye witness (me, on the Punt Rd hill side of the ground almost directly opposite the play) RDB did not touch him. RDB was tackled with the ball from front on, tried to punch it away, could not because Dean had his hands on the ball as well and Dean threw his head back to stage for a free kick. It was all a phony report. Hurts till this day.

RDB was tough, fearless and unrelenting but he was a pure, clean scrupulously fair footballer. A belated pardon would not go astray.

And Roger Dean was THE prima donna stager of all time...

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

i think we would be better off using one of the many other similar incidents

not the cripps one, because firstly it is quite different but more importantly most commentators and public think he was guilty and only got off because his legal team "gamed" the system. finally the afl vowed that that type of legal arguing would not be allowed in future

building a case around cripps would just create a very risky can of worms

That's for the 'law - errs' to work out: I posted the footage just to once again prove how corrupt and inconsistent the AFL Industry is. In essence, I don't think it's 'quite' that different': both players were attacking the ball, and, as quite often happens in contact sport, especially AFL - player from the opposite side is contesting the same ball.

In other words, a bit of consistency instead of verbal Jesuitry and sophistry, not to mention the sheer inanity of making up new laws as it suits them to cover their backsides. And to have Mike Christian playing Pontius Pilate every week is yet another farcical aspect of the circus. 

8 minutes ago, Wodjathefirst said:

I’m glad that people are making a distinction between the Cripps and JVR incidents.  Reason being that on one hand we the Melbourne supporter base were saying that Cripps was guilty as sin and on the other hand we are saying that JVR has nothing to worry about 

No we're not. We're  saying that if Cripps is not guilty, then so is JVR.

33 minutes ago, Bitter but optimistic said:

Impossible to do so Red.

The system is a total [censored] up.

The inconsistencies in umpiring and in the review system would be comical, if it weren't for the fact that they are ruining the largest professional sporting activity in Australia.

It defies reason that a professional body with the billion dollar income and resources of the AFL cannot/ will not work towards a solution to remove ( or even improve) this blight on our game.

By the way, another poster - obviously comes from Romsey - used the word 'egregious' yesterday, on the very same topic. Is it a Romsey Mansion Buzzword of the month? Remember when everything was  'substantive'? 

BY the way, what does it mean? My wife has burned all of my books, including my Dictionary...

The Cripps incident: what's the difference????

10 minutes ago, kev martin said:

CTE is real.

The consequences of not showing duty of care can destroy our game.

Parents will be reluctant to let their children play and the cost from being sued can destroy the financial viability. 

No one wants dementia, especially early (age) onset symptoms. 

We have a contact sport, though a little tweek here and there, can reduce the incidents and severity of potential injury.

Can't see how that effects the enjoyment of our game. Limit hits to head and high velocity hits that shake the brain about.

I want consistency and that the MFC doesn't becomes a scapegoat without the follow up to other teams.

In a high contact game like AFL, you cannot ever hope to avoid contact to the head: it is basically unavoidable: that's one of the risks you take for playing the game. JvR did not deliberately make contact with whoever it was, and, to repeat, had he not tried to spoil he would have been derided by his team mates and coaches. Like I say, there is a difference between deliberate contact and accidental contact.

5 hours ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Yeah, but 8 teams travel every 2nd week all year every year. I can understand maybe off short breaks but we had a week between games and our last game was a glorified training run.

Always look on the bright side of life....

7 hours ago, Deebauched said:

WCW

Yep,....i briefly logged into match day posts and it was dreadful. Insults flying everywhere about Grundy May Lever and Fritsch. Is Deespencer a bonifide Mfc supporter? 

How many teams would have beaten the Suns yesterday Maybe 2 or 3  or maybe none.

Rivers looked as sick as a dog after the game in the rooms. An dees official said Chandler was ill before the game. Sounds like they ate some jungle grub that didnt agree with them. Goodwin never complains or makes excuses.

Brayshaw thought it was a damn good win under the circumstances.

That face slap was a mistake: if you notice, I've also entered a 'clap'. A, being an alte kaker means my keyboard is always 159,000 steps ahead of my ability to use it, and B, I'll ask the question: What can you give a man who has everything? Answer: Penicillin. This comment is in relation to 'the clap'.