Monbon

On 18/10/2024 at 21:55, ignition. said:

To be honest, I wouldn't complain if the club picked him back up to provide us more depth in the talls. He'd be cheap as chips and upgrade to Schache.

I thought the same thing myself when I walked our Swiss Shepherd past Box Hill Oval this evening. I watched him play a fantastic Casey match in 2017 or so. He kicked 6, 5 before halftime, and he marked everything in sight. A friend of mine—a Lions supporter—has known Sam since he was a junior footballer, and he always spoke very, very highly of him. 

On 18/10/2024 at 15:04, Satyriconhome said:

Some keyboard warriors taking the opportunity to land a few kicks, pathetic on your part.

In the draft there was supposedly 3 of the best young talls in a while, all pundits, commentators etc agreed,  Josh Schache, Aaron Francis and Sam Weideman, all 3 went top 10, hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Interestingly the knock on all 3 is aggression, perhaps the game evolved too quickly for them. 

Well said.

59 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

I . Am . Clarry’s . Mum 

So dat's why he's got an Oedipus Complex!

1 hour ago, djr said:

I don't have a problem with these journos "reporting" the news, even if it isn't really true. The thing that gets me is when they get on their soapbox and start pontificating. 

What's the difference???

Just now, layzie said:

Donald Duck? Yeah he's pretty good. 

They all took logic and brain power lessons from Goofy.

44 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

As Kamala Harris would say, “what can be, unburdened by, what has been.” 

She sounds as demented as Biden. We won't even mention the Donald species...

10 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

(Translation of the above comments for those unfamiliar with Bonbon speak.)

Yes I was wrong & sorry for jumping from issue to issue indiscriminately.

Goodie had much more talent available than ND.

Ben Beams, Big Al & Matt Collins wouldn't be on an AFL list these days.

Apology accepted.

As I wrote above, you are 100% correct that those 3 would not be on any AFL list these days: they are retired, for a start, and way too old. They are even older than Steven Come What May. 

In the meantime, I'd  keep that appointment with Siggy Fraud. He might be able to help you with your delusions.

1 hour ago, Macca said:

You've been in fine form lately with the expansive writings (learnings?) 

But you know how it works here, Monbon ... 

It's the battle between the optimists and pessimists (a bit like Bruegel's battle between Carnival & Lent)  

I just feel uncomfortable when the armchair Lentists make Goodwin the core of all error, misfortune, and bad luck: in other words, no coach in history has ever been as blameworthy for so many misfortunes. God Save the King. The Queen, the Pope, whoever!

47 minutes ago, Macca said:

I'm reckoning we'll trade our F1 pick for a first rounder in this year's draft.  We might have to sweeten the deal to get a top 10 pick (do we throw in a 2nd round pick?) 

So 2 picks in the top 10 could net us 2 plug-in and play midfielders??  The Guru in Jason Taylor to identify

There will be a club or 2 who may think we'll finish bottom 8 next year as that is how a deal might get done

Can you imagine how we'll feel if we snag 2 mids who turn out to be very good players in addition to Petracca, Viney, Oliver, Rivers, Sparrow, Kozzie, Langdon, Windsor & Tholstrup? 

Make it happen, Demons!!  

I am well and twoolie amazed, Grace, that The Lamb got his gig before the Lion in disguise called The Big Macca.

46 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

There you go again Bonbon.

I didn't say you were a Christian apologist just that you employ the same tactics ie whenever you lose a point in an argument you just jump to something else & bang on without ever conceding the point you lost.

First you run lists of players names now you pop up with Jeff Farmer 🤣🤣.

If you think ND had as much talent as Goodie well fair enough but the GF teams bear no comparison.

How many games would Ben Beams, Nicholson & Collins have got in 2021 ?

 

 

Dey was pretty oer da hills and far away by then. Jeffrey Farmer was The Trump Card, Frankly Crantaculus Maximus.

Have you talked to Siggy Fraud about your obsession wid Collins and the son of Nichol?????

8 minutes ago, mo64 said:

Are you deliberately misspelling half the players you've listed, or you have no idea who they are? Some of these blokes hardly played a game under Daniher, who resigned halfway through 2007, not 2008.

Cranky is right. Our 2000 GF midfield of White, Woewodin, Powell and Leoncelli was workmanlike, but hardly comparable to Gawn, Oliver, Petracca and Viney.

Daniher and Northey both got the best out of average lists. Can't say the same about Goodwin. 

I don't think Goodwin should get the sack, but unless he changes his methods, the results will lead to him being replaced at the end of 2025.

Sorry about the spelling mistakes, my keyboard simply refuses to obey orders!!!!.

And, yes, I was mistaken about '08 - Sacre Blue, I must be fallible, unlike some around here...

You also fall into the Frankly Cranky man syndrome: he's on about May and Lever, versus Collins who played one full season in 4, and Nicholson, whereas you seem stuck at the center Bounce circle. Woewodin won a Brownlow that year, White was the best ruckman in the comp and Leoncelli was hardly a slouch. However, it seems I must either bow to the armchair experts on how effing lousy Goodwin is, or, as dey say in Italia: stay sta zitto.

37 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

So be it Bon Ami.

I'll stick to holding Goodwin to account while you head up the conga line of apologists.

And I forgot, one Jeffrey Farmer. I'm sure everybody will agree, Daniher had a very cruddy list. Always. 

You also have amnesia that after every Finals campaign, they had a year from Annus Miserabilis - that'll be censored, no doubt - the following year, cruddy list et al - '99',01', '03, '07,  and got thrashed in Elimination Finals in '05' and '06.

3 hours ago, Monbon said:

Deductor ad absurdum Crank the Frank hath called me a Christian apologist in so many words - absolutely nothing would be further from la verita, and somehow the Daniher years have been reduced to two players - Collins, who played 29 games over 4 years, and Nicholson. He also implieth that Daniher only had crud players at his disposal, and that because Goodwin has had Lever since 2018, May since 2019, he has a much, much superior list full of rock'n'rollin champions and we should have won every flag from their time onwards. 

David Neitz, Aaron Davey, Mathew Whelan, Clint Bizzel, Brad Green, the Bionco ruckman named White, Schwartz, Bruce, Robertson, Yze, Travis Johnstone, McDonald, Rivers, Dunne, Carrol, Brown, Bartram, Wheately, Ward, Jamar, Godfrey, Brad Miller, Ben Holland, Nathan Jones all say hello with a two fingered gesture....

Maybe, you should stick to what you're good at Cranker man, whatever that may be.

Love, Monbon.

And lest we forget Colin Syliva RIP, Byronia Pickett, Warmock, Maloney,McLean, Frawley, Pettered, Garland, Stef Martin, Woenamirri, Powell,, Armstrong, Jolley, Vardy, Broadbridge RIP,S. Febey, Woewoedin, Leoncelli, Rigoni, yep, once again,all on Daniher Lists from '98 until 2008, and cruddite players, all of them according to you, and Goodwin has May and Lever. Therefore we should just simply win flags but the coach is no Good (win).

10 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Bon Ami you argue just like Christian apologists.

Every time you get pantsed on a specific point you just ignore it & move on to another irrelevancy.

To summarise your arguments

1. You believe Daniher had as much talent available as Goodwin

2. There's not much difference in talent between Lever/May & Collins/Nicholson.

A simple yes/no will suffice.

 

Deductor ad absurdum Crank the Frank hath called me a Christian apologist in so many words - absolutely nothing would be further from la verita, and somehow the Daniher years have been reduced to two players - Collins, who played 29 games over 4 years, and Nicholson. He also implieth that Daniher only had crud players at his disposal, and that because Goodwin has had Lever since 2018, May since 2019, he has a much, much superior list full of rock'n'rollin champions and we should have won every flag from their time onwards. 

David Neitz, Aaron Davey, Mathew Whelan, Clint Bizzel, Brad Green, the Bionco ruckman named White, Schwartz, Bruce, Robertson, Yze, Travis Johnstone, McDonald, Rivers, Dunne, Carrol, Brown, Bartram, Wheately, Ward, Jamar, Godfrey, Brad Miller, Ben Holland, Nathan Jones all say hello with a two fingered gesture....

Maybe, you should stick to what you're good at Cranker man, whatever that may be.

Love, Monbon.

39 minutes ago, mo64 said:

100%. There are people on here that think we are the only team that has injuries. Carlton had a far worse run with injuries, but still made the 8. We got beaten by an Eagles side without Yeo and Allen.

And we can't use an injury to Gawn as an excuse when the club didn't bother recruiting a backup.

You can pick and choose all you like: what you cannot deny is that the injuries most affected the Forward line's depletion. In the end, you only win if ya kick da goals, my friend. If der's nobody up there to kick to, then, maybe you are pushing dung uphill. But, of course, according to the Cranks and Franks and such-like armchair experts, the problem is Goodwin. Get ridda him, and hey, no matter who can't get a gig or a game on the forward line, it won't be the coach's fault anymore, see.!

39 minutes ago, Cranky Franky said:

I'll make it simple for you. All 4 were Grand Final defenders.

While Goodie had the luxury of AA's Daniher had to use players who were barely AFL standard.

The Demons made finals in 98, 2000, 2002, 2004, 2005, 2006: To make finals so often with a substandard list can only have substance in the minds of the Crank Franks of the world.

2 hours ago, Monbon said:

Get your facts right: Collins played for one season. Nicholson and Ingerson was more than handy. 

2 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Get yours right.  He played with MFC for four seasons - 1998 to 2001.

I meant he played one full season - 2000. In fact, he played 29 games in 4 seasons, three of them cruelled by injuries.

11 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Your list of % wins by coaches is totally meaningless without information of available talent.

Daniher didn’t have May & Lever, he had Alistair Nicholson & Matt Collins.

Ridley & Beckwith were probably decent coaches but had poor lists.

Pro Tip Next time post something useful.

Get your facts right: Collins played for one season. Nicholson and Ingerson was more than handy. 

11 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Well maybe. There is Scot, Irish, English, Italian, Spanish & French in my heritage.

Sounds more like Oedipus Rex.

1 hour ago, waynewussell said:

MFC Coaches since Norm Smith

John Beckwith 62 games 27% W/L

Ian Ridley 66 games 43% W/L

Bob Skilton 88 games 31% W/L

Dennis Jones 22 games 22% W/L

Carl Ditterich 44 games 25% W/L

Ron Barassi 111 games 30% W/L

John Northey 167 games 54% W/L

Neil Balme 98 games 41% W/L

Greg Hutchison 13 games 23% W/L

Neale Daniher 223 games 48% W/L

Mark Riley 9 games 33% W/L

Dean Bailey 83 games 26% W/L

Tod Viney 5 games 20% W/L

Mark Neeld 33 games 15% W/L

Neil Craig 11 games 9% W/L

Paul Roos 66 games 31% W/L

Simon Goodwin 183 games 56% W/L

SAYS IT ALL.

1 hour ago, Cranky Franky said:

Then there is the conga line of Goodwin apologists with their "nothing to see here" attitude who ignore that a potential golden era is quickly turning into a disaster.

We seem to be returning to the Neeld/Schwab era.

Oh, really. Good you are still the Cranky Franky I have come to know over the years - frankly cranky. Yes, indeed, Goody is Schwabian - where half of my ancestors came from - and Neeld won a premiership...Um, how many coaches have won one of them lately, Frankly? By the way, are you a descendant of Carl Der Grosser, King of the Franks?????

Apparently, one is either not allowed to use the Latin Term Academic term '[censored] Laude' on this site, or, the censors don't know Latin. Here be the Dictionary meaning:  "[censored] laude" is a Latin term that translates to "with praise" or "with honor" in English.

I'd hate to Graduate in their presence if I had achieved high honor.

Jesu Christe! This thread is full of Graduates [censored] [censored] Laude of the Zelensky Academy for Farcical Comedy.

Sack the coach, sack the coach, sack the coach

He a cockroach, 

knows SFA about the game

will be replaced by Roffey

the sooner the better

that she came.

So here's a coach who won a flag three years ago, got hammered by injuries towards the end of 2022, even more so late '23, was always two players down in '24, because of Angus and Smith, got hammered by injuries even more this season, and many armchair critics on this site are so in the know about what it takes to coach an AFL side that I'm stunned none of you are getting a gig.

Then there are the 'gossip mongers', the clowns who believe every bit of Fantasyland blurted out by a very mediocre and biased media. 

4 hours ago, Lexinator said:

Haha, that's brilliant 👏 funny thing is, not the first or last time you or I will hear this 🤣 my mum certainly kept me honest growing up!

Haven't been there, not part of my woods but if I'm ever down there, for sure will visit. I'm not sure where my wife gets Polish stuff for me, but somewhere there's a few stores in the western suburbs. Pierogi, and poppy and cheese cake is the best! I ate my weights worth, mostly pierogi, in Poland when I went there in June/July this year 😁

4 hours ago, Lexinator said:

Haha, that's brilliant 👏 funny thing is, not the first or last time you or I will hear this 🤣 my mum certainly kept me honest growing up!

Haven't been there, not part of my woods but if I'm ever down there, for sure will visit. I'm not sure where my wife gets Polish stuff for me, but somewhere there's a few stores in the western suburbs. Pierogi, and poppy and cheese cake is the best! I ate my weights worth, mostly pierogi, in Poland when I went there in June/July this year 😁

There's a fantastic Polish Deli in Perth Avenue, Albion, off Ballarat Road...

My wife's parents are from Llodz...Woodge

3 hours ago, Lexinator said:

Dawaj, dawaj! Right on, comrade! 

I am married to a beautiful Polish woman. While buying Pierogi, Poppy and Cheesecake from the Polish Cake shop - Europa in Carnegie - I told the owner, My wife is Polish. She replied, Polish girls, they keep you on your toes. I replied, Trouble is, I am not a ballerina.