At the break of Gawn

Not sure if any one watched league teams on Thursday night, but Ben Dixon predicted this would happen and was the only one who tipped the pies. He showed vision of how leaky our defence was against the Lions and said the Pies ball movement will cut through us and our defence will just resemble "Swiss cheese". 

Typically, some of the vision was of Max Gawn and how slow he was getting to man up their big men drifting forward.

4 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

After 10 pages in the Post Match Thread no-one has potted Jack.  I guess that means he played a good game, right?

I thought he was one of our better players - kicked a goal and started the chain of at least 3 other goals.  Laid some good tackles.  He didn't excel (no-one did) but he did his job today.  Its a shame most of his 21 team mates didn't.

Was pretty serviceable, and kicked a good goal. Played his role. 

Got a 6 on the SEN player ratings and was listed in the best on AFL.com which I agree with. Shame he had so many mates who were horrible today.

Probably Tmac's worst performance of his career. 35 SuperCoach points for a full game of footy. Disgraceful 

Harmes, Gawn very poor.

Hannan doesn't hit the scoreboard enough.

Garlett's second half of the year has been horrific.

3 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Special shout out to Bernie Vince for that putrid shot at goal in the last second that wouldve made West Coast's job that little bit harder.

That was so [censored] lazy. Pathetic

Adelaide will win. Don't worry

Pedo's form has gone down and Watts' up. 

Hogan injured and quiet while Garlett playing well

Can't we have all 4 playing well for once?

29 minutes ago, Deestar9 said:

A very good article on Paul Roos in the HS this morning.  One comment that resonated with me was when he spoke with Jack Watts .....Jacks comment was "I just want to be treated like a human being" .  How in anger & disappointment some posters write such vitriol about Jack (in particular) .....even now it has been all about how Jack has to perform today even though Salem & other players have been dropped for not meeting the coaches requirements. I don't buy into the "he was a No 1 pick" scenario....today he is just one of our best 22.   I hope everyone backs him today against a club who nearly destroyed him many years ago & be glad that he wears the "red & blue" . 

I agree but it was more so the people who ran the club who mistreated him and created a [censored] culture. It barely resembles what we have now, if at all. 

Anyone bought his book? I think I might buy it this weekend. Looks like it could be an interesting read with a fair bit of content about his time at the Dees.

Might also learn how to say a lot with not saying much.

Great Ins. Jack looked like he had his confidence back watching him play last week in the VFL and I think he'll play with a bit of freedom this week given he's not expected to be the ultimate target up forward. I think we'll see a far different JW to what he dished up on his return against Port.

Hope Salem also slots in nicely again.

It's going to be tough at the selection table in 2 weeks if the above two play well and we win. Who goes out for Viney?

24 minutes ago, Lucifer's Hero said:

He learnt from The Master

I just take them with a grain of salt. About 5% of the content provides insight. 

1 hour ago, Copuchas said:

Back slaps for Watts and Salem at training this morning after the huddle in the centre of Gosch's Paddock towards the end.  They are in the team.

Frost prominent in terms of a bowed head for much of training - the separate thread on his future may well have some currency.

Big call, Copuchas. Those back slaps might be quoted at 6:26 pm tonight as meaning something else if they are left out.

FWIW, if true, then they are good ins but also a massive game for those two if it couldn't get any bigger.

21 hours ago, Fat Tony said:

Maybe not, but Viney and Salem would be ahead of Watts to come in IMO, and Frost has played excellent AFL games this year. Watts is more so competing with Hannan, Harmes, Petracca and ANB IMO.

I would bring Watts in this week FWIW.

Agree with this. Out of those 4 forwards none of them deserves to be dropped. Reckon it might just be team balance and a bit of bad luck that keeps him out.

I would still bring him in on the wing, but the coaching staff know best (most of the times)

Pre hamstring Watts you'd have him inside 50 and outside 50. Would still have him inside 50 but would go Tmac or Vince for outside 50 for now.

Hogan can't kick 40m+ unfortunately on a set shot. Something to do with his posture, hamstrings, and that guy inside his head. 

36 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

I couldn't do it.

you sit through a decade of turning up thinking just 1 win is like a premiership and I couldn't be away.for this.

i've bought a 3 year old girl into the world over this time and she will be there with me and her grandparents and aunties watching what we haven't seen since the Daniher years, FINALS.

That's why I planned it during the bye week. My partner still hasn't worked out why I picked that week. 

Feels like he needs to reset over the preseason, get his body right and establish that connection with the midfielders.

The connection is gone at the minute, he's not getting around the ground as much, and I somehow feel he's not going to fix this in the matter of a week or two. 

Throughly enjoy my week's holiday in Bali. 

1 hour ago, PaulRB said:

Jack Watts: Jack had 20 possessions, including nine contested possessions, 11 marks, three clearances and kicked one goal. I thought he played a significant role on the weekend, particularly in the middle part of the game, where we needed to change some things up in the middle of the ground. He was able to play as a midfielder and give us some composure, plus some fierce ball movement, which opened up and gave us some scoring opportunities. That was a significant move in the day, which added real value in that part of the game. I was happy with his team-first attitude and engagement of VFL footy. He had a big influence on the game for us.

Can't get much more of a glowing review than that. Only real omission is the mention of getting back to AFL level.

From Plapp's review of Bugg I'd say he'll be in the VFL for a few more weeks.

Watts has probably done enough to earn a recall but he might just be unlucky due to team balance. I think the move into the midfield really showcased his ability to play a variety of roles, but if he's been pigeon holed as a tall marking forward in Goody's structure, and he only wants 2 tall forwards, then there's no way he'll be picked. 

43 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

Out: Wagner Stretch

In: Bugg Salem

Possibly would drop Hannan for Watts but not sure Watts has earnt it yet and Hannan competes 

 

Can't see Bugg being back in the side after 1 VFL performance. Will need more credits in the bank. 

Out: Wagner, Stretch

In: Watts, Salem

Harmes or Watts to play wing.

10 hours ago, Hampton 22 said:

I agree with you about Watts. However, listening to the odd response by the coach in the post-match media conference to a question about how Watts went at Casey makes me think he was none too pleased. 

Goody is just annoyed about the constant questions regarding Watts as they always ask about him an no one else. That's why he keeps on reeling out the "He'll be treated like everyone else, it wasn't just him dropped etc etc". The club has always stated he should be treated like every other player on the list.

Pretty good summary this time. Stretch seems to have a bit of Jimmy Toumpas about him lately

18 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Out: Wagner, Stretch

In: Watts, Salem

Doubt Viney is in the frame.

Yep, this. Although Hannan has had a very quiet run of games apart from last week's last quarter cameo.

Doubt Viney will play next week i'd say

12 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

What have the Romans or the English for that matter, supply ever done for us eh, You could say! 

Actually it would be interesting to know the life expectancy of our indigenous peoples pre contact. The more you read about their known life styles as it is being reinterpreted in recent times (refer Bruce Pascoe) it seems they may have done as well as anybody up until the recent invention of pharmaceuticals. They had no viral, contagious diseases, no plagues, no bacterial diseases associated people living in close proximity in cities. And they only worked a few hours a day to meet their food requirements because they weren't required to supply arms and time to some hierarchical tyrant and his army. Which was a requirement of European society of the day. 

Other than that trade has been good for everyone. 

 

Interesting subject though. 

Most of those diseases occurred after the domestications of farm animals. Given the Aborigines didn't really have cows, sheep etc domesticated I'd say the life expectancy was quite good after you made it through childhood.

I've also read something similar that the life style of our ancestral hunter gatherers was potentially better than what we have today. Except for those with a birth defect and the elderly who were often killed so they wouldn't slow down the group. 

All the results falling our way so far... Win tomorrow and we can almost certainly cement a spot. A 10 goal win will make it almost impossible for West coast to overtake us.

50 minutes ago, DemonAndrew said:

of the dees i would say:

watts: an almost game, has amazing skill and balance but lacks hunger for the contest and was good early, went missing when tippett went onto him, better up and around the ball and then in the last when he got fired up by being reported; he's too often too lackadaisical at the contest 

trengove: classic good honest footballer who just butters up time and time again, but is clearly too slow for a 25 year old afl-listed player and his kicking has zero penetration

frost: controlled it defensively, used it well offensively, didn't try to take the oppo on too often (did it early and got away with it, did it once late, got caught), and is basically a class above this level

jkh: he's a massive accumulator of the pill but he's just not nearly damaging enough with it - can play well at this level but doesn't have any outstanding attributes that make him look like an afl-level player

weideman: i am an unabashed fan, but it was just a game, albeit in very trying conditions for a marking tall - love the way he flies at the contest and missed set shot aside his kicking is superb, and he loves to tackle

hullett: a big lug who doesn't seem to know how to throw himself at the contest, but he is a ripper kick of the ball from a set shot

bugg: starved of opportunity early playing half-forward push-up, but once he got up and around the pill he was super busy and is a more likely afl option than jkh for instance

king: was monstered early but they changed his attack at the ball at the ruck contests after quarter time and he was significantly better in the ruck as a result - his skills are good and he's another big who loves to tackle which is something you can't teach

keilty: just looks so comfortable down back and so able to control the high ball coming in - there's a lot to like about him and he adds terrific defensive tall depth to our list

maynard: in-and-under specialist who extracts it well but he does have a tendency to bang it on the boot and not look at where he's kicking it - his hands are great in close and i agree with @Dee-licious where it looks like he'll be a bit like avb and be a good plug-and-play type

Pretty good summary. Thought Frost ran into trouble a bit too much though. 

JKH would've been BoG if his finishing skills were better. 18 tackles is amazing though

Watts by far the cleanest in really scrappy conditions. 

Was always going to be hard for Weid with those conditions.