At the break of Gawn

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

IMO they didn't beat us, we beat ourselves. When we limited turnovers we were on top (first and fourth quarters). When we turned it over we gave up score after score (second and third quarters). And we couldn't hang in there because we kept missing easy shots.

We're clearly trying to move the ball differently, with far more kick-mark than playing on and handpassing. The problem is that too many of our players aren't good enough at this gameplan for it to work for four quarters.

Hibberd, Viney and Jones are a massive part of our current problem. All three turn it over by foot far too much, Hibberd destructively so. Viney isn't adding enough as a midfielder and Jones is really lost out there position-wise.

Hunt shouldn't be played in the backline again. He's either a forward or not in the side. Ditto Fritsch - what a waste of a season by playing him back/wing for so long.

There's some really terrible commentary about some individual players in this thread though. JKH was one of our best, Lever was actually quite good, and although I don't like OMac at all he did a better job of a tall forward/second ruck than pretty much everyone else we've tried there recently.

Gawn was down on his best but Grundy didn't dominate at all. They sort of nullified each other but that's not an unreasonable result when the two best ruckmen play each other.

I agree with most of this except for Lever.

He’d be on double the money of Miocek, yet Miocek made him look like a VFL defender. If Lever doesn’t have an AA year next year, the early judgement will be that the Lever trade was a poor decision.

If someone could invent a brain implant which makes you oblivious to footy until your team starts playing finals footy, I’d be the first to buy. 

It will be an indictment on this footy club if Jones or Viney are captain next year. 

Awesome is not the adjective I’d use.

Jake Lever should ask for a pay cut. Miocek is only on half his salary and giving him a bath.

2 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

Steele Sidebottom explaining at half time how we just always look to go fast no matter what so they just apply a bit of pressure and we go to water.

 

How to beat the Dees in 2019?

1. Put pressure on the Dees

2. Dees turn it over

3. You kick a goal

Simples.

We should actually trade Jack Viney. I have no idea what he offers us.

This is actually hilarious. Not sure what sponsor/fan engagement PwC are looking for here. Perhaps insolvency cases for failed small businesses?

I thought McCartney was quite pivotal under Roos and developed quite a few players. It was only when Goodwin took over that things started to turn sour. Perhaps this was because McCartney didn’t respect Goodwin’s tactics, and thought due to his lengthy experience, knew better hence leading to conflicts in the coaches box. 

Goodwin needs an experienced assistant coach who can be called upon by him when needed, but at the end of the day, someone who knows they’re still an assistant. We can’t have someone again who is stubborn and ungovernable. Malthouse would be the same as McCartney, Richardson might be the opposite.

I sometimes forget that Viney is one of our captains, but then I remember and just shake my head in disbelief. 

I really hope Gawn being sole captain gets some traction in the media to put some pressure on Goodwin.

I never want to see Preuss in a Melbourne jumper again.

Martin has [censored] killed us tonight.

3 hours ago, Rusty Nails said:

Are you saying he willngly hasn't (to whatever degree) and that if he did things would have turned out better BOG? or are you saying that he has and it's had a poor or nil effect? 

The latter of the two. I think the intention was for him to be the guiding mentor but they’ve clashed. But who knows, maybe Goodwin is a bit of a control freak and only likes doing things his own way.

Saw on Instagram that Maxy is a player sponsor for Corey Wagner. So he’s basically using his personal finances to sponsor a fellow player ? 

I honestly hope someone in the media brings up the idea of Roos returning to Melbourne as a football director. Goodwin clearly needs help. He is way out of his depth. It's like when an operations manager takes over a particular department that he was in for years where everything was running smoothly or at least, they knew the problem and knew it would be improved over time. He's never seen things go pear shape and see how the previous manager responded to this.

Goodwin has had no training when the wheels start to fall off - he doesn't know how to rectify things and get things back on track. Goodwin should put his hand up and ask for an experienced football director to help him solve this problem. It's clear that McCartney has not assisted Goodwin with his reign. 

21 minutes ago, Jaded said:

I’d be disgusted if we are low balling our captain and a champion who has stood by this rabble of a club for all these years. I think one year is fair, but FFS the last thing we need right now is media noise about our own captain being unhappy with his contract offer. Get it sorted fast. This [censored] would never happen under Jackson. 

To think how much money we have payed absolute garbage players over the years... no wonder Jones is annoyed. Deserves a hell of a lot better. 

This season truly can’t end soon enough. 

I truly can’t match this outrage based on the whole fact he’s just not that good. He’s not Scott Pendlebury. He’s never even won any form of recognition outside this club (no AA). He’d be in the bottom 4 of captains in the league (along with his co captain)

I’d give him a performance based contract; every effective kick that hits a target he gets $1000. He’ll be lucky to get $100k next year.

1 hour ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Yes it is time for an external review. 

Last night was so predictable, i knew before the game started when the fade would start

it’s not about opposition. It’s all about us

Absolutely have to do a whole club review now. What has gone wrong? Injuries are a transient issue of the AFL. Our problem runs much deeper.

I really hope the media jump on us this week. This club needs a heap of heat on it to force its hand and do a full blown review. 

Although it’s our home game, I think we’ll be outnumbered 10-1 in supporters. Whatever we gained from last year’s season in terms of our supporters attendance, we’ve receded it back to 2015.

26 minutes ago, Moonshadow said:

We've tried Frost forward before. Not good. Let's keep him where he plays best: back.

He's had a vastly improved year, despite some brain fades and a couple of poor games.

Frost needs to take a leaf out of what Chip Frawley did. Stopped trying to do smart dinky/short kicks and just chose safe options when he has ball in hand. He has to know his limitations. Intercept the ball and then just kick it long boundary side.

Says a lot.

No improvement tonight at all. Goody better not use the improvement line. 

Won’t win another game this year.

1 minute ago, Deemented Are Go! said:

...can [censored] off, already 

It’s not just 2019. This is the new standard. Expect it in 2020.

Their tackling has killed us. Just a rubbish side we are.

80 something points conceded on turn over.

another last qtr fade out. Just [censored] off

Just now, dazzledavey36 said:

And this is why Oscar McDonald is a spud of s footballer.. 

Simply just lets his opponent get a free run at the footy.

GTFO you [censored] spud

That was just disgraceful from him. It is an indictment on the match committee that he is selected.