Machsy

We just need to hope that there is truth to reports of GWS trying to talk Dusty into going to them through the PSD.

That opens the PSD route to us for Adams, who should be our priority.

I can't talk up how good I think this guy will be.

Hahaha laughable comparisons!

This time last year Oliver Wines was also big for his age and a bit of a plodder. Toumpas had similar traits to that of Aish. In regards to talent, skill set and need I would take a Sheed or Dunstan over Aish any day.

EDIT: phone typo

Simplistic assessment.

Incorrect imho.

Desperately seeking a small crumbling forward.

Not sure Nahas is the answer, though.

Aish can bulk up once drafted.

Has elite agility, good quickness, good decision-making, good skills, decent athleticism, reads the play well, wins his own footy.

Dunstan has a good tank but is a plodder, bigger than other kids his age and should dominate more than he does considering, doesn't win enough of the footy, not great at reading the play,

Kicking underwhelming - nowhere near as good as billed.

A bit like Tapscott with a tank, but not as physically imposing at the junior level nor as good a kick.

What the club needs has no bearing on where Dunstan should be selected, nor is your assessment of what we need correct.

Based on what.

Based on watching them both play a few times, and especially based on Dunstan not having any attributes that will make him stand out at AFL level.

If anything, he'll be a big ordinary player.

The hype perplexes me.

My stance is that Dunstan is worth a late 2nd round pick at most.

Aish is a top 5 pick.

My cousin who also played in the u/18 SA team said that Aish is very similar to Toumpas, an outside player who doesn't like the rough stuff. He reckons that Scharenberg is the better player and has a much better attitide. Aish has a lot of tickets on himself. Aish may have the greater potential but how many times are we gonna draft potential and come up empty handed!!!

What idiot wouldn't draft based on potential?

One of the most perplexing statements I've seen on this forum.

Do you even understand what you said?

Hahaha Luke Dunstan better than Aish??

Most overhyped ordinary player since Serhat Temel and Matthew Panos.

Aish, any day of the week.

But honestly, does anyone really think Roos would be offering pick 2 for Martin?

He's worth a lot less due to the headaches that come with his talent.

Richmond are almost beyond the point of no return, if they aren't already - they'll want tiger something for him, but do not have the upper hand in any negotiations.

You mean right coaches with the right experience.

I took that as being implied, but not completely.

I also never said any of the 3 line development coaches weren't capable.

You mean coaches like Dale Tapping who is VFL coach for Collingwood - who only has had TAC cup experience ?

You mean coaches like Brendan Bolton a Hawthorn Assistant who only has VFA coaching experience ?

Yes, but they weren't surrounded by people at their clubs who were also lacking in experience.

Individually I don't think there would have been anything wrong with these coaches, but in terms of the composition of a footy dept, it was terribly lacking in experience overall.

These 3 guys that were not renewed were assistants to the assistants whose resume was working with younger footballers which is basically all we had left at the MFC !!!!

Most on here were also praising the appointment of Leigh Brown at the time. By the criteria you are marking his appointment on you would give suggest that Cameron Ling is a bad choice to pursue as he has had no coaching experience like Leigh Brown at the time.

I also find it interesting that you suggest it may have been a bad decision by Schwab/Neeld - you dont think that Craig had any input at all or is he too nice a guy to pot ?

Go through the assistant coaches and development coaches at other clubs and they are littered with personnel that did not play at the highest level (AFL) which basically means they get their start somewhere and at some stage had no AFL coaching experience.

The structure we had was ultimately a spectacular failure but to say that assistants to the assistants were "out of their depth" is guesswork at best.

The rest of the post is just waffle not relevant to what I said.

I was only pointing out how inexperienced they all were as a whole, which would have affected their ability to do their job and get direction.

I'm actually surprised at least one wasn't kept, considering the experience coming in to assist them.

I'm also surprised you seem to have really taken this to heart.

I don't think they will have trouble getting new roles at other clubs.

Neeld was head coach, and would have a large say in the way his football dept was structured.

Schwab was CEO & his job was to put the footy dept together.

Craig was only a mentor with a vague role description and no real power. I even think he may have been appointed after the development coaches, from memory.

When I say they were "out of their depth", that does not attribute them with blame.

I think the situation they were put in as a collective left them without the requisite support to succeed.

Correct - you imagine.

Its bad enough that everyone believes they were insight as to the performance of assistant coaches - we are now passing judgement on line coaches ?

Hold on, you don't think in retrospect it is a puzzling decision to appoint 3 Line Development Coaches, all 3 without any previous AFL coaching or playing experience?

To be guided by an AFL head coach with no previous AFL head coaching experience, not to mention a Forward Line Coach with no previous coaching experience and a Football Manager with no previous Football Managing experience?

There's a lot of inexperience there, a lot of people finding their way in their jobs, while their superiors are doing the same. Really, only Royal and Rawlings had previous experience in their roles.

Even Viney was in unfamiliar territory, being forced to shift into recruiting.

I'd say it was a cost-saving exercise to an extent, but probably a poor decision by Schwab and/or Neeld.

As has been said before, it's not about having a huge group of coaches; it's about having the right coaches.

Define "elite"...

All 3 were highly rated coming out of the TAC Cup ranks, but the AFL is a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

I imagine they may have been out of their depth, especially without a lot of experience around them to guide their adjustment to the next level.

Sorry if this has been mentioned elsewhere but whats happening with James Frawley? Is he likely to leave and if he is a free agent will we lose him for nothing?

Yes.

Begin panicking... now.

I've seen him out & about with my own eyes on multiple occasions.

We don't want him at our club.

NO.

What is Roosy up to?

Subterfuge.

Misdirection.

"Fine, you don't want to be reasonable in your trade demands, we'll instead send pick X to someone else for YYYY"

Clark to ruck when the ball goes into the forward line, so the ruckman can sit a kick behind play / have a rest.

Fitzy may get left out so we're not too top heavy.

FF: Byrnes Dawes Fitzpatrick

HF: Howe Clark Hogan

C: Watts Trengove Toumpas

Byrnes only because we lack another decent crumbing forward.

Kent may spend time there.

I also would note that Howe will spend most of his time playing in the middle, but in today's game that often includes someone named on a flank.

Would Cale Morton have been better if at Essendon in 2012..?

I dare say he'd be a much more physical player.

The AFL has already got their media to answer the question for us, it's died down now.

We won't be receiving a priority pick.

Why not just announce it now then?

Why release the decision at a time strategically placed between the Brownlow and the GF?

When the media focus will want to be on anything but a priority pick?

When it's only a week until the trade period where we will quickly move it on in a trade, creating 1 extra club happy that we got it?

Who will be feeling sorry for GWS not getting another number 1 pick?

Bank it, baby.

And someone get him a real hairdresser, FCS.

pick 2 and 20 for martin and 12.

get it DONE.

Christ NO!

Richmond will be looking to move him now.

Burnt those bridges.

If we must move for him, why on earth involve pick 2?

Madness.

He's simply not worth it.

Get him.

This thread has now done a couple of full circles, to my reckoning.

The argument for a PP is logically sound, but when the AFL is involved we can't rely on logic.

I can work out what makes you think they're in some way related...