Deespicable

The push to play kids grows as we now know finals won't be happening this year, but against that is the fact that all clubs and coaches go into games wanting to win - the Kruzer Cup excepted.

With Petty and Howes out, I am hoping the Dees make a couple of tactical adjustments in order to have a chance of winning.

Firstly one of the Crows strengths (and they have many at the moment) is that they have three strong tall forwards - Thilthorpe (who is a very decent back-up second ruck as well), Walker and Fogarty. To again go into a game with only two tall defenders and no back up talls is lunacy. So Lever (assuming he moved better) has to come back but T.Mac may well be a better option for Tex because of his extra height. Turner has to play on Fogarty, who is the more mobile, while May gets Thilthorpe and switches to Fogarty when Thilthorp's rucking.

Secondly our own tall forward set-up has to change a bit because without Petty we lose our lead-up forward to contest the down the line work. JVR has been tried, but is still not dominating VFL games, so it would be nice if he was played down back in the VFL to get form and confidence back. We seem committed to trying Jeffo and I must admit the access to higher-level games has seen him improve marginally - so it's worth giving him another game or two before the season is out, even if he's well below AFL standard. But Jeffo body-shape means he is more a lead-up player, he's not a realistic down-the-liner option, so someone has to play that role with Melky.

We could throw Turner forward but it's a little unfair to expect him to battle all the Crows big bods, so it would be nice if we thought laterally and brought in Tom Campbell to share the down the line man work with Gawny - to be honest Gawny is the only player on our team that has looked like taking a pack mark up forward all season, but Campbell is also big enough to not be pushed off an aerial contest so easily. And the advantage off having TC is that when we rest Gawny, there's no mismatch with Thilthorpe.

And the following week we need TC again to take on the best push-and-shove tap man in the game in Xerri (Grundy is close), allowing Gawny a bit more rest time so that he can expose him around the ground.

I don't really see any other changes this week although Billings and Laurie both deserve games (and not one's as subs). Culley is getting close but it would be nice if he had a 30-plus possession VFL game.

On one hand, you can make a case that Goody and his match committee are not up to it.

The decision to go super small backfired spectacularly when Petty went off along with our third tall defender - Howes.

The decision to take Viney out of the middle in the first quarter and play him forward meant we were completely mauled by Rowell and Miller.

The lack of spirit early coming off a bye was a worry, did players abuse their licence during their break?

Then on the other hand you have to give Goody plaudits for:

Sending Viney back into the middle which saw us return to winning the majority of the clearances that Rowell didn't get.

Instructing the players to chip and go sideways whenever they could, before breaking through the middle to given Melky and Fritter a chance to lead into space. The argument though is whether our smarts with the ball came about because it dawned on the players that with only Melky and Jeff as tall targets, it was a mega dumb ball to bomb it long.

Sending Rivers down back, which meant we had all the hard nuts in the middle and fewer [censored]-ups.

Let's see how Goody and the match committee go next week.

6 Melky - 5.6 and a nice assist for a Kossie goal. He's getting better at 34, but it really just shows that if you use your body well and mix it up by leading you can be influential. Amazing last term by him given he started cramping in third term. And he's just 188cm tall.

5 Kozzie - a magical game again by Koz. Played pretty much the whole third term as our full-forward and then went back to being allowed to run in the last and he was the wiz through the middle.

4 Viney - we missed him in the middle in the first term, so Goody sent him back in there and his grunt and contest work turned the game back our way, although like everyone he struggled to stop Rowell.

3 Trac - he was lively and passionate, he just kept butchering the ball. If he'd hit targets he was our best by a street.

2 Salem - clever with his disposal, our enforced chip game because of no tall suited him to a tee.

1 Bowser - hit targets most of the time and went forward more than any other player. Geez he's having a good year. Should finish top three in our B&F.

Apologies to Rivers who had a better game down back and even hit a target - Fritter on the lead was a beauty. But he still needs more intensity and smarts.

2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

This is the bit that doesn't make sense to me with respect to dropping JVR and having Petty playing reduced forward minutes.

We'll often have a fourth gamer who looked hopelessly out of his depth in game #3 against Collins and Andrew who will probably take 25 marks between them.

Fritta and Melksham will have to station themselves deeper into our 50 to support Jeffo.

Yes it is a big call to only play the four medium height talls (May 193, Turner 194, Petty 197 and Jeffo 195)plus Gawny against a side that has Mac Andrew (202cm), Collins (194cm), Walter (195cm), Ben King (202cm) and Ethan Read (202cm) plus Joel Jeffrey who is 192cm.

Clearly we are worried about their pace, which makes the dropping of Windsor for this game a little bit surprising. But if it rains as it is now forecast, the extra smalls could be beneficial.

But personally if you are going to go small, why not have a back-up big as sub (which I know is against the norm). That way if you lose a May or Turner or Petty, you are not annihilated in the air.

17 hours ago, demon3165 said:

1 hour ago, Deespicable said:
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Wow, that's a big call on Lever and Windsor, especially given Rivers was the most likely out after being subbed out against Port.
Sounds like Rivers will be sent back to defence in place of Windsor.
I assume T.Mac is back in for Lever and Jeffo in for JVR with Tholstrup in as likely sub - Lindsay back starting.
I especially liked hearing that Goody intimated that Viney may play forward - been calling for that for some time as he actually is a very accurate shot at goal - he just can't hit up targets with ease.



And what benefit would Viney be playing in the forward line, average overhead mark, cannot kick over 45 metres out, not quick on a lead?

Jack is actually a very good mark for his size, but that is not his role nor is it the expectation and if he plays up forward his primary roles will be to crumb and tackle - both of which he's very good at.

He also gives the forward six some aggression which will be necessary given we've gone with Jefferson along with Fritter.

And whilst he may struggle to catch Rioli, Powell or Noble, if he does snare them it is highly unlikely they will break the tackle.

I expect he will play the Nibbler role and his move up forward (if it happens) allows Trac, Kossie and Ed to spend more time in the middle.

Ultimately though, it could all be a ruse and he may end up tagging Rowell! But given Rowell ran free so easily from Viney and Oliver in Rd 3, then I expect Langdon to be given that task.

Wow, that's a big call on Lever and Windsor, especially given Rivers was the most likely out after being subbed out against Port.

Sounds like Rivers will be sent back to defence in place of Windsor.

I assume T.Mac is back in for Lever and Jeffo in for JVR with Tholstrup in as likely sub - Lindsay back starting.

I especially liked hearing that Goody intimated that Viney may play forward - been calling for that for some time as he actually is a very accurate shot at goal - he just can't hit up targets with ease.

Our problem this year is that we have very little draft capital for trades and our position on the ladder makes us well down the pecking order when it comes to a player's club of choice.

Having said that, our best hope at luring a player is still Luke Jackson, assuming he is insistent that he wants to head back to Victoria and be traded to us and he would largely solve our bigs issues and give us a Gawny understudy again.

But against that Freo would have to be willing to accept our 2026 1st rounder, our 2025 second rounder (currently pick 22) and presumably a decent player - we have four WA options on this and all are potentially very good players for us - McVee, JVR, Rivers and Tholstrup. All would be missed, but if you are talking securing Jackson then almost anything should be on the table. But it seems highly unlikely Jacko will move.

So our next hope for a big will come down to whether we get Kalani White to choose us ahead of the Suns. The fact that they have four very good Academy picks ahead of him helps our chances and being under the tutelage of Gawny and TC also helps the allure, but he may still choose his mates ahead of us. Hopefully not and also hopefully a rival bid comes after our pick 22, which will end up being about pick 35 on current academy/father son expectations.

But regardless, Kalani is unlikely to impact any improvement we make in 2026 (he's just a kid after all) - that improvement will come from Langford and Lindsay and Windsor growing into their roles. Trac and Oliver will again be talked up as potential trades, but I doubt either will leave - they are on too big a salary for most teams and their disposal this year has meant clubs will have misgivings about them anyway.

Of our current list, there are a heap of players still up for contract renewal and to be honest McVee is the only one we need to sign up now - the rest can wait until the last couple of weeks of the year or post season even. This is what I'd do with them.

Billings - he was a bit stiff not to play Rd 1 and he has worked hard all year in the VFL, but he's 30 and his papers have been marked and to be honest now's his chance to enter the corporate world.

TC - He's 33, but I'd defintely ask him to go another year. He's great for our VFL side, works hard at training and from all reports is a super bloke.

Fullarton - as with Billings his papers are now stamped. Been surprised he wasn't tried as a key defender at VFL level and his body is quite ripped now, but as he showed against Richmond in Rd 7, he's just not physical enough for AFL.

T-Mac - he's soon to turn 33 and now one of our greats when it comes to games played. Goody prefers other talls to him, so as much as he adds to our gp dynamic, it's time to retire. If Lever bows to his chronic knee injury at season end or Petty heads back to SA, then I'd review that decision, but only then.

McVee - as stated above he's a must-sign. The only way he's expendable is if he's a necessity in a Jackson trade.

Melksham - he turns 34 in a couple of months, so age is against him. He is still in incredible shape and looks like a Marvel Superhero so I'd be inclined to ask him to go on for one more season. Unlike his teammates, he usually produces kicking smarts and he's a certain coach-in-waiting.

Spargo - after three injury-reduced years it's hard to feel confident about re-signing him. But he's only 25 and he's one of the few players that can hit a target, so if he agrees i'd sign him on for just one more, with his body determining whether he gets two more.

Woewodin - Taj is still only 22, but it just feels that he hasn't really come on this season. He's got nice skills but he's not mega-quick which makes it really hard to make it. He'd have to finish the year on a high for us to keep him.

Kynan Brown - Really like his attitude and his effort. Very happy if we added him to our list on a two-year deal. Even happier if the coach gave him a go in the big time.

Jai Culley - Looked good pre-season and he's done well in VFL. Probably needs one more year as a rookie before making a firm decision.

Jack Henderson - I feel sorry that Goody rushed him in for Rd 1 because I don't think it gave him a chance to settle into his role. But after five games, it was clear that he's got class but not quite enough pace or body strength to be a factor.

Marty Hore - a great bloke and lovely left-footer but it's time to let him go.

Luka Kentfield - He's made some progress this year and is now massive upper body. I'm not sure that he has enough footy smarts, but I'd certainly give him another year to be definitive.

Ollie Sestan - He needs a game or two in the AFL before season's end, otherwise it's a really hard call for any list manager. Given I already have six list departures, I'd try and sign him up for one more.

Will Verrall - He's improved this year and his intensity is now AFL standard I reckon, but he's probably never going to be quite tall enough to make it. If we get Jackson, then he's a delist. But most likely he gets another year and works with Kalani.

AMW - Clearly Andy showed enough last year and pre-season before injury to warrant an upgrade and most likely a two-year deal.

Mentha Jnr - he's shown enough to get another year as a category B rookie.

Others already contracted:

Jed Adams - as with Jeffo, he's starting to become a very good VFL player. But please Mr List manager, there is absolutely no need to sign him or Jeffo up beyond 2026 just yet. Wait until early next year to panic.

Bailey Laurie - he's a star at VFL level, but barely gets a run from Goody. Ultimately he may be just a tad slow to make it, but it would be nice for him to get a decent chance - in the midfield and not as a sub. Otherwise I'd see if anyone wants him for a third-round pick.

Shane McAdam - Injury cruelled his year, but he's 31 next year and appears a bust for us. If we like a player pre-season or need a list spot, then I'd pay him out.

On 17/06/2025 at 13:14, Macca said:

Ban the Bomb

Sounds like a very good line for our run-through banner.

Or alternatively all DLers could produce flags with those words as emblems to hold up after each stupid long kick!

That would get the point across to every player!

The biggest change has to come from the players via Goody and that is instituting some sort of fun internal penalty for dump kicks/bombs into the forward line - maybe a prize for the worst one each game.

They also need to have a prize for the best conversion and the worst shot at goal each week - it has to be a fun sort of prize, but one the whole group enjoys and helps take the pressure off.

To see wave after wave of wasted scoring chances must frustrate Goody way more than us Demonlanders and I can now see why he is so keen on playing Spargo at the drop of a hat because even though he barely gets it, the four or five times he does are big chances for teammates if they have the mindset to keep leading.

In terms of changes for Gold Coast, I would expect McVee to come out via suspension and I think we already saw that Goody has lost patience with Trent Rivers when he was subbed out. Sadly he has become more and more like Brent Grgic with every game, rather than like a Corey Enright. I still have faith in him, but it now must be via an extended VFL break and he either plays back or on a wing - he does not have the disposal in-and-under smarts to make it as an inside midfielder.

I'd also query Lever's fitness, although a week off may help - but when you have T-Mac as a slightly taller, yet similar back-up I'd rather we play him, especially given King and Walter and Read (if he plays) are genuinely tall.

I also suspect one of Petty, Melky and JVR to make way for Jefferson, whom I have major reservations about, but accept that he is starting to show signs of being AFL ready for Casey. AJ is also in the mix.

The two likely ins are Tholstrup and Jeffo with a tricky decision on whether Sharp replaces Rivers or Laurie gets genuine game time. I'd go with the latter as we need to know whether to sign him up for next season or not.

Out: McVee (susp), Rivers, one of Petty, Melky or JVR, Lever (if not running well enough)

In: Tholstrup (sub), Laurie, Jefferson and T-Mac (if Lever out)

6 Gawn - a clear winner again, although his kicking for goal is frustrating.I don'tget why he doesn't aim right and allow for his pull.

5 Turner -beaten a couple of times on the lead by Georgiades early, he looked dangerous and mobile as a forward.

4 Pickett - brilliant first half but glute injury made life trickier for him after the break. Teammates blocking his run didn't help as well.

3 Bowey - once again clever and quick with his clearances, although he did have one howler from a kick-in.

2 Fritsch - should have kicked five but fumbled a few times when a goal awaited, but kept presenting. Based on that form maybe he's ready to go back to being our third tall up forward.

1 Howes - did a pretty good job on Rioli for much of the game. Signs that he may almost be AFL standard now. Just needs confidence.

Is anyone with me that now is the time to switch Petty and Turner around.

Just thought everyone had a real dip in defeat yesterday and it's very hard to make changes.

Against that is the fact that we will be coming off a six-day break so a few boys will be a little sore I reckon.

The one compulsory change is that Viney comes in if deemed fit and I suspect that means one of Lindsay or Tholstrup should get a rest with a view that they come straight back in after the bye.

Then we have to have a really close look at our ageing group to make sure that they are all fully recovered and the one player who seems to be struggling the most as he regains fitness is Lever. With T-Mac coming off an 8-day break, it should be a straight swap if Jake's remotely sore. That way Jake can get a couple of solid weeks preparing his knee for the run home.

The Power are still playing fairly small by their usual standards - Visentini in the ruck with Georgiades and Finlayson (he'll probably be dropped), Aliir, Ratugolea and Zerk-Thatcher their talls. They may add Sweet to try and combat Gawny or Lord to extend our defence.

But our hardest job will be deciding who to use on negating Butters - I imagine Jack will get the job if fit, if not it will be tempting to go Ed again. Trac will be tagged again by Drew, but just has to stick at it.

If we play like we did on Monday we will win, but it's hard backing up from your grand final.

As to JVR, he deserved his spot on Monday after a couple of solid weeks in VFL and like Petty he found the going tough against Moore and Howe, who are elite. But if you seriously think Jefferson is ready for that kind of mauling-style defence, then you have not been at training.

Having been away for six weeks, I am really keen to head to the 'G and see first-hand where the boys are at.

My one fear is that we bring back Jeffo for AJ - it's been really pleasing reading that Jeffo's starting to become a factor at VFL level but until he is laying tackles then he's not worth promoting again as he will be easy fodder for Moore and co.

I am comfortable with returning Roo as his body will cope with the buffeting and he's had two solid weeks marking and leading up and getting his confidence back.

But my left field choice is selecting Tom Campbell, especially if the Pies go with Mason Cox, which they may well do to make life hard for big Maxy. If Campbell doesn't play this week, he certainly should be in the side to play Port because you can guarantee they will target our skipper and it will be a short break that week.

I also hope we have a long hard look at the wings this week. Sidey and Josh Daicos (if they both play there) are hugely influential and it worries me thinking that we will go with Langford and Lindsay on them, given their youth and the big occasion. It would be nice to think that we would come up with a bit of a shock move to counter them - maybe a hard tag from Bowey or Salem on Sidey, leaving the youngsters to tag team on Josh Daicos, but I know Goody doesn't usually do shock stuff - although he did put ANB on Nick Daicos last year.

If Viney's fit, then Laurie is the unfortunate omission, although it sounds like Jack's hand will take at least another week to mend.

Given what happened last time we played them, we have to make sure we don't underestimate what they can do.

Thankfully Yeo is still likely to be out so stopping Harley and Elijah Hewett will be key along with nullifying Liam Baker's infuence.

I thought Goody made some clever moves late against the Tigers, resting Gawn and May to preserve them along with making sure Lindsay, Langford and Kolt weren't in danger of burnout.

In so doing, it should have highlighted the need to have at least one more tall in our line up - sure we got away with against Fremantle when we lost Turner and we got away with it against Richmond because we had such a healthy lead and we might get away with it against the Eagles, but it's certainly not the right way of doing things when we come up against the good sides in the next few weeks.

And it's not fair on Gawny to expect him to have to be everywhere and keep presenting. The Eagles have two rucks and Flynn will definitely try and maul him and Jack Williams has a huge leap and looks promising. They also have a dangerous forward in Waterman and Gov is still a gun, albeit an old one. And Harry Edwards adds to their wealth of height, even if they lack a bit of talent. So it's time Goodwin looked after Gawny and if the big fella tells him that playing two rucks doesn't work, then he just has to ask himself what's his midfield going to look like without an injured Gawny. And what's mega frustrating is that Tom Campbell was so impressive all pre-season and it counted for nothing because we keep fearing another another Gawndy scenario. But the problem with Gawndy was that Gawn came first and played ruck when Grundy can only play one position and it ain't forward. What we need to do is start TC and then sub him out at three quarter time.

Thankfully now we have all seen Fullarton and Jefferson (first two weeks) in action so that we don't have to ever play them again until they have muscled up. It's not a crime if they can't - some guys just don't have the bodies and physicality to make the AFL.

I think we all have now seen enough of Harry Sharp that we can say that his light frame also doesn't allow him to break tackles or stick them well enough. He's a great runner and maybe there will be a game or two in weeks to come where he can tag someone, but as a small forward/wingman he's limited. It's time for Goody to move on this one.

In: Turner if fit (JVR if not), TC, Melksham

Out: Fullarton, Sharp and one of the teenagers (rested and told they will play against Hawthorn a week later).

B: Bowey May T.Mac

HB: Rivers Turner Salem

C: Windsor Viney Lindsay/Langford

HF: Chandler Langdon Fritsch

F: Spargo Petty Gawn

Ru: Campbell Petracca Pickett

Int: McVee, Sparrow, Tholstrup, Oliver, Melksham (sub)

6 Gawn - marked cleanly all night and as soon as he sat down late, we conceded four goals. Good to see Fullarton play in the ruck and clearly that's not going to work because he doesn't have the body strength to play there.

5 Trac - stupidly bombed it long a few times, but our most dangerous player all night.

4 Bowey - another clever game from the little master. Definitely a SC special and aside from Gawn, our only player in AA contention at this point.

3 Sparrow - sure Viney laid more tackles than him, but I thought his were more important and he had 16 touches and a goal. Viney had 19 touches and his 10 kicks were all long and intercepted.

2 Rivers - with 28 touches and 12 marks, he provided lots of run from down back. But you have to wonder if he and Salem realise that the high-risk play through the middle also comes with the highest reward. Because I can't remember them once taking the game on in that regard.

1 Salem - a couple of late howlers, but he clocked up the stats down back with what I suspect was a career-high 34 disposals and 13 marks. As with Rivers made sure that 95 per cent of the time we went down the wings.

I actually felt we had six phenomenal contributors today and a lot of very good role players outside the big six.

The order of the big six can vary a bit, depending on your view of what factors win matches, but here goes from me.

6 Bowey - I don't think i have seen a better defensive first half from any Demon in a long time. He tackled with intent, he kicked with outstanding vision and compiled 21 touches to halftime. He's been in our best two players all year and i'd now say he is in the All-Australian mix (yes laugh if you like, but his past month has been at a new level. The challenge now for him is to back it up.

5 Kozzie - Our matchwinner with five goals and plenty of clearances. Elusive and dangerous and more effective than Bolton. I reckon he'd get the 3 Brownlow votes from this game, but I'd be really disappointed if Goody didn't give his five coaches award votes to Bowey.

4 Viney - yes I was one who wanted him moved out of the middle to play ANB's role this week because his kicking has been bog ordinary. Part of that was because Ed was the only player I could see keeping up with Serong. But it was Ed who was moved into ANB's spot and Viney went head to head with Serong and returned to his 2018 finals form.

3 Gawn - yes he missed two shots at goal and his opponent Darcy kicked a couple, but big Max won the hitouts and dished off a few very clever over the top handballs that allowed Trac and Kozzie to break free from the middle. He also marked beautifully all game and I'd be surprised if his disposal efficiency isn't mega high. Great game from the big fells and a huge presence in the last term.

2 Petty - Wow, we haven't had a genuine forward since his game against Geelong at the MCG last year and this was better than that because most of his work was from the goalsquarre. He beat Pearce and Draper all game, whether it be leading up or just pushing them out in a marking contest. Will play at FF for the rest of the season now, but here's the thing Goody, there will be a game or three when someone has his measure and it is OK to switch him. That's the role of the coach.

1 T-Mac - apologies that he only got one vote because you couldn't help but admire the work he did all day on Treacy, who apart from Hogan, is the league's most in-form forward. In fact the only time T-Mac got beaten was by his brother Oscar on a lead. T-mac was clever with his disposal and just so aerially dominant. Normally his game would have been a 6-voter.

Wow, how depressing. Coming up against a Freo side that has a bunch of mega quick small forwards plus a key target in Treacy and who have a well planned defensive system where they chip and switch before going forward. They also have won their past three against us at the MCG - remember how they ended our run in 2022.

Here's what Goody could try:

1) Mix up his zone defence with an actual man-on-man defence - perhaps start each quarter in a man, then switch to zone at 10min mark once players tire.

2) Take Viney out of the middle rotation, where he continually bombs it long to a contest, and play him as a hard tackling small forward - our current trio of small forwards (Henderson, Spargo and Sharp) combined for one tackle last week! And while we are at it, get your best tackler from the VFL (Kynan Brown) in the side.

3) Send JVR to defence - we've all been saying he's out of form since Rd 2, but Goody keeps persisting - maybe it's time to try something different.

4) Rejig the forward line. Unfortunately at least one of Trac and Kozzie has to start near the goal square - that worked reasonably well in Adelaide. They are our only players who look remotely dangerous up there. And Chandler needs to go back up there as well - his smarts and discipline could come in handy as Jordan Clark is likely to play on him and he provides a heap of their run.

5) Think about match-ups. Sparrow has to go to Brayshaw - he's too good not to have a hard tag. Olly has to take Young as he's not fit enough to take Serong or Brayshaw. A decision has to be made on who plays on Serong and my own view is that Ed is our only player capable of keeping up with him. That means Rivers or Bowey has to take Ed's right-side wing. T-Mac has to play on Treacy. McVee has to go to Shai Bolton and Windsor has to play on Frederick - their two quickest players with our two quickest defenders. Amiss likes to lead up all the time, so JVR's extra pace is perfect for him. Put Lindsay on Murphy Reid - he loves playing on his U18 buddies and if that means Salem has to play on that left-side wing so be it - at least we get our best low-kicking player nearer goal.

6) Actually drop a few players. It's amazing what non-selection does to fire up players. At very least Spargo, Henderson and Sharp have to go (I'm sorry but as small forwards they have not been effective) and Melky should be sent to the sub role. If JVR isn't playing back, then he also has to go and get his confidence back in the VFL.

7) Stop worrying about which group your players have trained in. Just about all of them are smart enough to get the intricacies of playing certain types of roles and you are allowed to move players around on the magnet board - even mid game.

Out: Spargo, Henderson, Sharp and possibly May (injured).

In: Brown, McVee, Fullarton (yes I know Goody doesn't rate him, but he has to play to give Gawny a cut out and he looks extremely fit at the moment) and Turner (if May is out).

Start in a man-on-man format. Switch to zone after 10 mins.

B: McVee McDonald May (or Turner)

HB: Bowey JVR Windsor

C: Rivers Langdon Salem

HF: Petty Viney Fritsch

F: Pickett Petracca Chandler

Ru: Gawn Oliver Sparrow

Int: Langford, Brown, Fullarton, Lindsay, Melksham (sub)

6 Langdon - our best by miles to half time and one of the few who had time and space and figured out that if your coach has picked the smallest forward line in history then you better keep your kicks low.

5 Gawn - has difficulty with Draper but kept working hard. A couple of bad howlers late though but you have to wonder why others didn’t realise the urgency.

4 Petracca - plenty of inside 50s but not quite enough polish to be a match winner.

3 Salem - as with Langdon kept the ball low all night which when you have four guys under 6ft up forward is smart.

2 Bowey - he’s really smooth this year, shame our forwards and game plan aren't.

1 Pickett - looked dangerous unlike the rest of the side.

On 07/04/2025 at 12:45, roy11 said:

Given Oscar Allen likely on the way out at WCE, do you think its a risk dropping WA born JvR? I know he has a long term contract, but still concerned about having his head turned

Still think a lot of this was injuries/suspension based, so wont judge him too much for this

With regards JVR, the Lever long-term injury combined with Petty's failure to play a significant role down back means that there is now a spot for him to find form down back and also provide a more mobile tall defensive player down back. Petty's problem for some time has been his inability to make quick decisions when he gets a mark or a free. Instead he kills any quick movement and invariably opts for the long bomb. We need a vibrant intercept player with a bit of pace and an attacking mindset and I think JVR can do that. But my guess is that Goody will now opt for Jed Adams to replace Petty. Adams has improved heaps but he is not a quick attacking tall, he's more a good option to replace T-Mac or May when they get injuries.

As to the Rd 1 super six debutants (five plus first MFC game for Sharp), Goody defintely had options rather than rushing in all of them. Lawrie had trained well all summer and was overlooked and is a similar sort of player to Henderson, who had trained for three weeks. The same could be said of Brown, who was fit but overlooked.

Then there was the option of playing our other impressive pre-season performer in Tom Campbell instead of blooding both Aidan Johnson and Jefferson in the one game.

It's great that Goody liked the look of the kids, but not all of them had to play Rd 1 and in a close game the decision backfired.

I find it depressing thinking about this game, so imagine how flat the players and coaching staff must be.

It's hard to know whether Goody's gameplan is at fault, but clearly our mids just don't seem to lower their eyes and make the right decisions with their forward entries and just as clearly, our forwards don't lead up to the ball like they should - JVR is the biggest offender on that score, given he is actually quite quick yet was constantly playing from behind against Geelong.

I was quite excited pre-season with our plan to run the ball quickly out of defence and through the centre in transition, but our poor kicking and failure to quicly get back has meant that plan looks ridiculous. But I hope we give it one last shot against the weaker Essendon line-up before putting it to the scrapheap if it again doesn't work.

But there will need to be a few tweaks. Firstly Ed Langdon looked brilliant pre-season in the middle, yet as soon as the season started was banished to the outer wing. We need his run through the middle for our plan to work. And with Kossie now there as well, we will have pace to trouble sides. Of course it still needs Olly and Trac to win clearances and play hard defence, but it's time to move Viney out of our midfield set up because he is just spraying his kicks, even when he has time. Given his grunt work, he's the perfect fit to play high half-forward like Nibbler. And he has to be down the spine, where the chance of him laying a hard game-changing tackle are highest.

The plan to use Windsor out of the backline is a winner, but it will be even better when McVee returns because Judd can take the quickest and most dangerous small forward. Hopefully he's back for Bolton against Freo.

Clearly Goody's initial plan of blooding six players has backfired and it's time to send two of them to the VFL to gain confidence like they should have done in Rd 1.

Jack Henderson had only been at the club three weeks when he was rushed in for Rd 1 and after four games and two goals and 11.5 disposals a game, it's time to let him get his confidence back - embarrassing as it must be for Taylor and Goody who pushed him up like he was Phil Carman.

Harry Sharp has kicked three goals but is averaging just nine disposals and has struggled to find targets - he also needs to now go and regroup in the VFL.

I'd also say the same for Charlie Spargo who desperately needed a few games in the VFL after nearly two years out with injury.

The trio are also there to provide forward pressure - did anyone notice any such thing on Friday night.

Aside from those three, I'd certainly be sending Harry Petty back to the VFL with clear instructions that he has to make quicker, smarter decisions when he gets it. And he has to start reading the play better.

And if you want to make a statement then leave out JVR who is averaging 8 disposals and has just four goals, although to be honest I'd send him down back to try and get some easy early grabs and regain confidence before swinging him forward late in the game. But they don't do that nowadays so I'd send him back to the VFl to learn his craft and regain confidence.

And before someone says it, please please please don't rush Jefferson straight back in. He's had a taste of AFL now, but he now needs to really dominate a VFL game before being thrown again to the wolves again and he should be told that if he lays more than two tackles, he is a monte for another game.

That's five out and hopefully both Lever and Lindsay are back. Laurie also deserves his spot after a big pre-season.

So does Fullarton, who we all know is not a Goody favourite, but he should be given a crack at it - he doesn't have to produce big numbers to match JVR's return at the moment.

And I also think it's time to give Kynan Brown a real go and not starting on the bench. You have to reward the high-tacklers in the VFL, otherwise you lose intensity and interest.

And if Lindsay isn't fit, then it's time to give serious consideration to Sestan.

Out: Sharp, Henderson, Spargo, Petty, JVR

In: Lever, Fullarton, Laurie, Brown, Lindsay

B: Bowey May Lever

HB: Windsor McDonald Salem

C: Lindsay Sparrow (hard tag on Merrett) Chandler

HF: Turner Viney Fritsch

F: Fullarton Petracca (mid/fwd) Brown

Ru: Gawn Langdon Pickett

Int: Oliver (mid), Melky (fwd), Langford (mid/fwd), Rivers (def)

Sub: Laurie

6 May - aside from that shocking smothered kick howler early, he was prominent all game. Marked well and generally kicked well. Getting older though - no longer sprightly with ground balls.

5 T.Mac - as with May, our only chance of someone taking a clean mark and I can't remember any errant disposals. And anyone who thinks Lever should come in for him next week has rocks in their head. By contrast our third wheel down back Petty clearly should spend a long stint in the magoos.

4 Chandler - gees this guy has improved. Played left half back and is just so smart and puts his body on the line.

3 Bowey - got better as the game went on and continues his great start to the season.

2 Fritsch - has copped the blowtorch the past three weeks and clearly was our best forward all night. If it wasn't for the fact that he currently has the yips, then no-one would be knocking him.

1 Gawn - embarrassing early with a couple of huge howlers, but you have to give him credit for sticking at it and hopefully he played himself back into form, especially now that TC is injured and not an option to help him out.

I am really confident our midfield will stand up at the stoppages tonight with Gawny, Trac and Oliver all on notice and they are all champions so in adversity I expect the cream to rise to the top. Hopefully with the addition of Pickett we easily hold sway in the middle, especially if one of Viney or Sparrow or Langdon are in there as well to ensure we have one negater in case they win the tap out or to cover when Danger does his Joel Selwood battering ram impersonation.

I am not so sure we have got the right set up in the forward half - I mean why do we have to play three small forwards each week - Kossie is the fourth this week, although he will play mainly in the middle.

Further to this I don't get why we keep bringing Spargo straight back in like he is a Charlie Curnow game changer. I mean Spargo is a clever player but he has barely played for two seasons because of his achilles issues and he missed much of the pre-season including missing both our practice games. Yet he is so crucial apparently that he does not need to become match-hardened via our VFL side. This is not meant to be a criticism of Spargo as he does have better vision than most of our players, but why, why, why can't he find form in the VFL and then come back in. If Goody and the match committee were so desperate to play small forwards then they could have gone with Lawrie, who is coming off a great VFL game and spent most of the pre-season with the main group.

Then there is baffling decision to not give Gawny a back-up in Tom Campbell. I went to a few pre-season training sessions and it was clear big Tom was more physical than Gawny and very capable of winning hitouts. Sure he's a meat and potatoes type ruckman and lacks Gawny's marking class, but after his practice game on Xerri against North, it was obvious he could perform that role at AFL level. And given the battering Gawny always cops, it made complete sense to use him as a safeguard before subbing him out at three quarter-time and injecting some pace or forward smarts with a Melky or even Lawrie. There may have been some doubt about TC's fitness after his hamstring awareness issue in the VFL last week, but if he plays tonight in the VFL, then clearly that's not a serious issue. Not to mention the fact that he should have played against Xerri in round 2. And he would be perfect against SDK and Blicavs because he'd ensure we at least win the hitouts all game and not have to ruck JVR against Blicavs. And he also brings an element of toughness to our game which is mega crucial down at Geelong where the natives do get a bit feral.

All of this sounds like a criticism of Goody, but as I said elsewhere, Goody is doing a super job this season with his opneness at media conferences and his sermons are approaching the Reverend status.

But ultimately, I am mega concerned that we missed the boat in rd 1 because Goody got excited with his new toys and decided to play six of them against GWS when three would have been well and truly enough. And he has persisted with his penchant for small forwards and yet our game plan invariably ends up being long panic kicks into the forward line.

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

Well Goody spoke openly at his presser today about the strong review and needing a response. Also that players will be sent to Casey etc.

This is fairly unusual for him to be so open.

If there is no response, it will be telling

*I added this to the Goody thread but thought it more relevant here

Yes it continues the trend this season with Goody morphing into the Reverend.

Maybe it's because his social life has settled (married again off-season) but he does seem so much more relaxed with the media questions this season and so much more willing to expand on things than previously. And that's even in the face of losses. Imagine if Bevo was 0-3, do you think he'd be so forthcoming!

Personally I'd love him to talk openly about our new run-and-gun game plan and whether it was what Hawthorn were doing at the end of last year that forced the change or was it our own players requesting to be allowed to move it quickly. But I get that all clubs are still a little wary of specifically explaining what they do - even though other clubs know what's going on anyway.

But like everyone, I will be really interested to see if we can move it quickly through the middle down at Geelong or whether they will bash that confidence out of us or whether Tom Stewart and Lawson Humphries keep intercepting our errant kicks forward to the degree that we lose all our confidence again.

But certainly I think it's fair to say after that presser, that our grunt and grind at centre clearances will be on show.

Trips down the highway are never easy and coming off three losses it's not surprising we are rated about a 2% chance of pulling off an upset. And as someone who has found the non-selection of one of our top three pre-season performers in Tom Campbell unfathomable, I find it really disappointing that the big fella is not available after injuring himself in the VFL.

But the good news is that at least Goody won't be trying out five first gamers plus Sharp this week like he did in Rd 1. Which is a slight dig at Goody's love of his new toys, although I have got to say that I have been mega impressed with Goody's interviews this year - he is so much more forthcoming than previous years - it reminds me of how Neale Daniher, up against it after a poor 1997, became the Reverend in 1998 and we grew to love him and his side did too. It's funny but I actually am enjoying Goody's openness this season - just wish he'd spent more time thinking about whether rushing first-gamers along was wise.

Goody will need close to a miracle this Friday down at the Cattery. Assuming Windsor and Lever pass fitness tests, then he has to bite the bullet and make at least five changes - one less than what he would have had to if Tom Campbell been healthy.

The five inclusions are clear - Pickett, Windsor, Lever and our two form VFL players - Turner and Lawrie.

The five omissions are also pretty clear. Geelong is not playing quite as many bigs these days with just the three-prongs up forward of Cameron, Neale (who may yet be dropped) and Henry, who Rivers could easily play on if required.

The five out for us should be - Lindsay (inj), Johnson, Howes, either Petty or Van Rooyen and Henderson. Sorry I know a lot of you want Billings gone but with our other left-foot winger Lindsay out, then we need him to play there and whilst we all know he has the yips in front of goal and is a tad soft, I hope people realise the run and precise kicking he provides. It is also his last season, so he deserves a decent shot at finishing his career on a good note.

Of our six newbies in Rd 1, only Langford and Sharp remain and the latter is because of his run, and those two are the best suited to our run and gun style that has flopped so miserably so far with our turnovers through the roof. But hopefully Goody sticks with the style now that he gets some pace back and I hope we keep taking the game on like we did against Fremantle pre-season. I also hope he reverts to going with experience - I mean if we lose the next two then our season is over anyway and the kids can play.

Even without Campbell to help him, Gawny should be able to get the ascendancy in the ruck against SDK and Blicavs, but it will be up to our midfield to lower their eyes and try to find leading targets which won't be easy.

And I'd also start both Viney and Trac forward given they are our two most experienced underperforming mids but I'd certainly be looking to get them involved in the middle after halftime. But I'm not sure that our club does mid-game switches these days. It should though!

B: Windsor (Stengle) May (O.Henry) T.Mac (Neale/Blicavs)

HB: Bowey (Close) Lever (Cameron) Salem (Miers) - plus Rivers (Dempsey/Danger)

C: Langdon (Dempsey) Oliver (Bowes) Billings (Smith)

HF: Petracca (Humphries) Petty or JVR (O'Sullivan) Chandler (O'Connor)

F: Viney (Guthrie) Turner (J.Henry) Melksham (Stewart)

Ru: Gawn (SDK) Sparrow (Holmes) Pickett (Atkins)

Int: Rivers (def), Langford (mid), Sharp (wing/fwd), Lawrie (mid/fwd)

Sub: Fritsch (to fire him up)

Goody is facing a huge week to decide whether he resorts back to bash-and-bang clearances style with the kick down the line safety option as the cornerstone of our game or whether he sticks with his run-and-gun mantra that looked good pre-season, but has been destroyed by turnover howlers and the unavailability of our three quickest players - Pickett, Windsor and McVee.

I'd expect our midfielders to really lift after being blitzed by the Roos, but Gold Coast's strength is their midfield clearance ethic that comes from Witts, Rowell, Miller, Anderson, Graham and the emerging Humphrey. 

Personally, and I said it before Gawny took on his nemesis Xerri, that we need to play Tom Campbell in most games so that we can win clearances and not have to rely on the weaker (because of height) second ruck option like JVR (Rd 2) or Johnson (Rd 1). Gold Coast has Ethan Read as back up and he's 202cm tall and developing quickly but he's still a kid so imagine if he has to ruck against a fresher Gawny. That's where we can get an advantage. So why we would throw Johnson in against him is beyond me?

We still need to take a chance with our run-and-gun through the middle, but the other area that needs a rethink is our forward structure.

Can we afford the class of Fritter when he doesn't get a chance to show it, can we continue to go with three small forwards even without Pickett, can we keep backing in JVR, who came to us as a potential key defender but is yet to be played there? Is Turner good enough?

I have to say I was shocked that we again threw Spargo in so quickly - as we did in the clash against Sydney in Rd 1 last year. He's barely played a game in two year, missed our practice matches this year, had a VFL practice game and then comes straight in? Sure he was great in 2021, but is he worthy of that amazing loyalty by Goody? Now that he's in do we stick with him and young Jack Henderson - another player that was rushed in with barely a practice game. Ironically the one player I wanted to be tried out as a small forward this year is Jack Viney because when he tackles, they stick and he's actually a good mark for his size. But that won't happen this week.

And making it harder for Goody is that both Laurie and Billings, who did the entire pre-season, did not dominate in the VFL which makes it hard to bring them in, although I suspect Laurie may have been taken off late, just in case he was a last minute call up to be sub at Marvel. Can anyone confirm that? 

Then there are so many questions from the game about individuals.

Does Sharp's lack of awareness spell the end of his career? Or do we try and use his incredible running ability to tag players like Bedford is now doing at GWS? Is Sharp tough enough to be effective in that role?

Has Rivers totally lost his way as a midfielder, meaning he has to be dropped or be sent back to defence, in turn meaning we don't need Howes as the fourth tall down back?

Is Petty that much better than T-Mac as a key defender. I've always liked Petty as an interceptor, but Lever has that role and as we saw with Petty on Larkey, he doesn't have the game awareness and defensive skills in that role? T-Mac sticks to his man, but he's not as quick, although he is a smart player generally (his second-quarter howler excepted). But if I had a say, I'd drop them both and send JVR or Turner back because they both can provide run.

Wow it's tough for Goody.

The only wish I have is that Tom Campbell plays because anyone who saw him train all pre-season knows he's a meat-and-potatoes goer who can win hitouts. He did really well on Xerri in our practice game against North and I could not believe he was left out on Sunday for that same role. And unlike when we stupidly kept starting Grundy on the bench, he needs to be in the middle at the very first bounce with Gawny playing from the goal square - yes I know he's captain and wants to win another AA, but the team has to come first. Then at three-quarter time, Campbell is  subbed out and a fresher Gawny has a chance to be the match winner.