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1 hour ago, Forest Demon said:

Only pipped by the great Nottingham Forest winning back to back Eurpoean Cups under Brian Clough (see username). But seriously, it is a monumental achievement.

As for its relevance to footy, I just can't see such an underdog winning a flag. Reason being in football/soccer, I think the lower scoring lends itself to upsets and more unpredictability. There is no chance of a team like Carlton this year coming out and consistently winning games of footy.

And forest won the league in their first season after being promoted.

2 hours ago, Demon_spurs said:

The lesser of two evils or should I say the Leicester of two evils. Spurs are young and they were mighty this year, unearthed new champions in Harry, Dele Ali and Co. Just need to finish above Arsenal...nothing else matters.

I think that's the most small time thing I've ever read.

An absolutely wonderful story.

On May 2, 2016 at 5:40 PM, Coat of Harmes said:

Ladies and gentlemen,

This dire situation must be brought to the AFL's attention, so please sign the petition and get behind the cause.

 

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/171/915/467/demand-an-end-to-the-melbourne-football-club-playing-at-etihad-stadium/

We play about 5 away games at the G. 

Get over it.

I'm actually really looking forward to this week and the next few games. We are actually a sneaky chance of being in the 8 in a few weeks!

11 minutes ago, Baghdad Bob said:

Can someone explain to me why you'd keep Lumumba ahead of Wagner or Hunt?  Wagner plays a much more defensive game and Hunt is a young developing player who at least goes hard at the ball.  After 200 odd games Lumumba provides no defense, doesn't tackle, doesn't hurt the opposition with his possessions and isn't going to get better.

We aren't going to make finals this year so why are we investing valuable games in a player with no future?  I just don't get it.

Lumumba's been terrific this year.

Not playing well when we're favourites might actually be nerves rather arrogance.

Maybe they overthink it when they're favourites. 

Just a theory.

5 hours ago, GawnWithTheWind said:

We weren't at our best yesterday, that's clear. However, wholesale changes aren't required.

Put aside round 2, we have beaten 3 out of the 4 teams at our level and just lost to a 6-0 team in Tasmania. I looked at pies, Tigers and saints.. And thought 2 wins would be a great result.

That is a massive improvement and  from my point of view, just above par for the group. 

 

Next 3 we have GC, Dogs, Lions.

2 out of the 3 would be a great result. 5-4 at round 9.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water with an average performance yesterday. We are improving and yet to really click.

 

Back off TMAC too, he was awesome in the majority of games this year too

Agree with this - plus we beat GWS who have beaten Geelong and Hawthorn.

Stinkers like yesterday are annoying but at least they are becoming less frequent (1 in 3 instead of 2 in 3 haha).

I don't rate GC - I reckon we'll [censored] em next week.

Any love for Matt Jones??

I've never seen so many goals kicked with 3,4,5 forwards on 1 defender. I'm not sure whether there's something wrong with the plan or the application. I reckon it's probably the latter. 

Hopefully the boys bounce back next week. 

Not sure what all the fuss about Docklands is. I don't mind it.

Great stuff from Track.

I'm glad a lot of people on here say they don't consider Track to be the saviour. I think that's the appropriate view to take. 

But what people do is often different to what people say. There's a 7,000 page thread celebrating this bloke getting a game and everyone has to admit, the buzz has been enormous. I don't think that's healthy. What will the reaction be if he barely gets a touch in his first two games, kicks a couple of clangers and misses a couple of tackles? Plenty of the greats of the game have done nothing in their first few games - yet this joint will go into meltdown if that occurs. Do you reckon Hawthorn fans care when one of their high draft picks debuts? 

As I said on another thread, Dees fans losing their mind over a bloke who hasn't played a game is so 2009. I'm more excited about the team goes this Sat than what Track does. 

That said, I hope he has 27 and kicks 5 haha

2 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I'm very happy to see that Christian Petracca has been selected to play for the Demons against the Saints this Saturday but I really do think that the hype and adulation which makes him out to be our saviour is way over the top.

As a long time supporter, I've seen many saviours come and go at Melbourne and most have disappointed us mightily.

I remember the recruitment of John Tilbrook brought great excitement. He was supposed to be a belated replacement for Ron Barassi and when he ran out for his first game against South Melbourne at VFL Park Waverley, the barrel-chested Tilbrook looked like Superman without the cape and the red underparts. His first kick travelled 70 metres in the wet. He kicked two of the team's seven goals that day and Lou Richards labelled him "Diamond Jim". Alas, although he played a few more good games, he ended up a fizzer and the critics were calling him "Diamonte Jim".

There have been many others. I remember a player drafted in the late 80s, Rod Keough, who had the Barassi look about him and showed some early promise but as hard as he tried, he couldn't even establish himself as a regular in the team.

And look at all the others who we thought would save the club.

Perhaps it was the club or the coaches who fostered the saviour mentality but I don't believe that is the case with the current administration and coaches and I hope that CP5 can play out career and be as good or as great as possible without the weight of expectation we have unfairly placed on the others?

 

Agree with this 100%. I'm excited to see Track play, but no more than any of our other quality young players. Put it this way, if he didn't get a kick but we won I'd be happy.

We've got a pretty good side now and I think the days of us lionising players who haven't even played a game should become a thing of the past.  

I don't want to be a buzzkill, but Dees fans losing their sh!t over a bloke who hasn't played a game is so 2009...

Jonesy's an absolute ripper Deserves any success that comes his way.

43 minutes ago, olisik said:

Jeffy will always give a better return then a debutant 

Agreed. Jeffy terrorised Richmond last year in the third quarter when the whips were cracking.

Whilst I am pleased with our progress, "steady on" is an appropriate response until we win two games in a row.

12 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

Did Garland play and if so how did he go?

I only watched the second half of the second quarter and the third quarter and he stuffed about 5 times. I don't reckon he's in very good form. Then again, he might've been awesome for the bits I wasn't there for. 

This is such a great thread! Love hearing all these old stories. 

I used to chuck torn up paper in the air after a goal as a kid in the early 90s. One day a steward came and took our bag of paper of us so that must've been when it was phased out. 

I would've loved to have gone to all the old grounds but only made it to victoria park, western oval and prince's park before they stopped using them. Also Kardinia Park but that's still in use (the trip down there last year was pretty fun).

Can I ask why you were all sleeping outside the grounds on Friday nights?

12 hours ago, AdamFarr said:

Lol. I haven't read it yet, but the headline sounds like a Demonland thread topic.  Hyperbole much, Newscorp? Never!

Articles in 'The Crowd' are actually written by fans (as opposed to journos). So yeah, it could well be a demonland topic. 

On 4/9/2016 at 0:14 AM, fr_ap said:

I just got home from the game and like others I'm glad I went. Started to get a bit chilly near the end but definitely bearable. Parking lot needs lights, had absolutely no idea where I was.

Between the 2 dim sims and sausage roll I've had my fill of reconstituted pet meat. Couldn't find the famed bacon & egg rolls; there was a significant line for the hamburgers though.

It was an absolutely rampaging 2nd half from the Scorps and thoroughly deserved win, all the more impressive given they had 1 rotation for the entire 2nd half. Although it must be said that Frankston, despite having the most vocal support, were extremely ordinary all over the ground. As I previously noted their big ruckman must be someone they picked out of Euroleague basketball because he had little idea how to play footy or even cover the ground with any coordination. Awful player. They also had a dashing rebounding defender with blonde hair who thought he was Brodie Smith, checksiding his way out of the backline with regularity into the waiting arms of a Scorpion. I was also not a fan of their TJ esque full back, complete with 50s hair and long sleeve jumper, who couldn't punch the ball nor take the many uncontested marks that somehow fell his way.

Onto the Dees listed players (and apologies for any I miss, this is recollection only):

Brayshaw - All action game from Gus from the get go. He hits players bloody hard (you can feel it at this level when you are nearby) and his attack on the ball was manic. We know he can bring this side of the game; his evolution needs to come in his outside game. We know he can be damaging through the corridor but even when that worked last year I felt like the kick was often made to look better by the speed of Jeffy. There were times tonight where he was in the clear and completely fluffs the kick, absolute tumblers. He kicked 2 by my count, both when he broke clear in the forward 50 and ran into goal. Seemed to run the game out fine. Also liked how vocal he was in the 3QT huddle urging the boys on for another big quarter. Him and Trac have a fair bit of love going on and its evident they really enjoy playing together.

Petracca - I was surprised he had 28 touches ; I didn't think he had it that much. Nonetheless a very noticeable player when he has the ball and at times without it; a real burst runner. There were a number of times where he absolutely bust his gut running quick alongside a contest to try and get on the end of it. Doesn't run quite as hard defensively but this will come. His kicking is low and hard with huge penetration; hit an absolute burner from the wing to Weideman on the lead at CHF in Q1 that big Sam grassed. Just as well too or young Sammy might have jarred all the bones in his hands at once. Not sure I've seen a kick with that penetration for some time. He has a touch of Robbie Gray about him in that he looks to sidestep and ride a challenge before disposing; I suspect when he plays AFL this will get found out a few times and he will be pinged. He has a fair bit of attitude about him and endless banter with both his teammates and the opposition. He continually demands the ball when teammates are lining up for set shots, begging for the ball even when he is surrounded by opponents and absolutely filthy when they don't give it. The type of player that teammates love and opposition players will hate. 1 or 2 more weeks and he will be right to go, but it's a weird feeling being both excited and terrified everytime he goes near the ball. We haven't even seen what he can do yet but I still have kittens everytime he is in a contest that *might* have awkward knee implications. Suspect I'm not alone here.

ANB - Really warmed into the game and was a key reason for the 2nd half dominance. He's a good in and under player but I actually think he's not a pure inside midfielder as some have him pegged. He sort of a half-half; he'll never be receiving the ball streaming past on the outside but he's often the one on the end of the handball from under the pack in a yard or two of space. From this position he often finds a free player with a short kick; his lateral awareness is very good and his kicking has a quick and simple release. Could easily end up a 200 game player and if he comes in soon this year expect an impact in the 2nd half of games. His endurance is outstanding and he's quite a mature player for his age.

Weideman - First time I have seen him play. He wasn't as dominant as he sounds from the stats but played a good game and created headaches for the Dolphins all night. Most of this was due to his height but he also times his jumps quite well and leads well for a young player. It's clear he has a good footy head on his shoulders and he reminded me a little of a skinnier, quicker, taller Darling. He's very aggressive in the air which I loved, but when he got involved in the play up the ground he generally turned it over. A couple of times he would take a grab or receive the ball in space and look to play it on quickly. This was good but often his execution let him down. Nonetheless I like his instincts and think he could be a good one. Pending our forward line troubles continuing he may get a look in at some stage. I feel like he will be good for Hogan because he actually leads all over the place which will drag the defenders away from Jesse's square.

Trengove - Saw him take a mark in the backline and kick off in the first minute. Watching him follow the quick with his run, I thought he was covering the ground better and quicker than I remember. The next minute he had his head knocked off in a contest and was prone on his back for a good 5 seconds. Got up and had the dizzies so he went off and failed a concussion test. He was walking around later and seemed fine, if quiet.

Pedo - Fairly average game. Didn't have to assume heaps of ruck responsibilities once Mitch King went down, but other than a few in Q2 he isn't clunking his marks like we know he can. I'm not convinced he has the sharpness or quickness of thought to ever be more than a role player and his age is not on his side.

Michie - Whilst he probably got a lot of the ball and did kick a couple of classy goals, he just doesn't have enough damage to his game. He's rather one paced, doesn't work hard to get into space and for a clearance player actually has pretty poor composure. Tends to bomb it long rather than lowering his eyes and backing his skills and he doesn't seem to have the body type that modern AFL demands. He's skinny down low and big up top, which seems to make him easy to tackle and dispossess and limits his explosiveness. He's sort of like the polar opposite to Petracca...

White - I'm a fan of this guy - he presents as a slightly odd player but most of his involvements are really positive. He's a strong body player, good size for a third or fourth defender, goes for intercept marks (not a bad leap on him) and has really good footskills. Could improve his ground level play where he is a little dumbly, but is very vocal and clearly seen as a leader. Not sure how Wagner is getting a gig ahead of him tomorrow and I remember liking his Rd23 game against GWS last year too. Handy sidekick for Salem I think with a bit more size.

Hunt - Can be eye catching, his 2nd half was fantastic but I'm not completely sold. As mentioned it was an absolute rampage in the second half and Hunt was free to run off the HB flank at will with pretty much no defensive consequences. That said he had some really good set up play and is starting to use his evasion and speed really well. I'm not a huge fan of his kicking but he mostly plays to his limitations which is a trait I like in a young player. He will get a gig at some point this year and may do alright. Very quiet around the huddle and seems to be keeping his head down.

Garland - Didn't notice him a huge amount, but contested well in the air whenever the ball went into the Dolphins forward line. They wouldn't have had many marks inside 50 which was a credit to the work he and Oscar got through. Despite being implored by the coaches to be brave and take the corridor, continues to look sideways and take the safe option. Also way too quiet around the huddles for a guy who is in the senior team leadership group. If I were on this team, I wouldn't see or feel he is a leader.

Oscar - Could easily get a look in next week. He looked a fair cut above this level to be honest, which was surprising as I haven't been his greatest supporter, but he dealt with most inside 50 entries with ease and rebounded very well too. His footskills are more reliable than his brothers, still not great, but reliable and he generally doesn't make many mistakes. Seems a smart player. Was one of our best and I would have no issue if he was to come in next week. At this stage, at least the equal of Garland and could well be better, notwithstanding the potential of Garland's invisible leadership skills.

Mitch King - Poor lad went down near me and was in a lot of pain, wailing from the moment he went down which given he has done it before, indicates ACL to me. I think it was an awkward tackle that did it; was hard to see. He seemed to be playing pretty well before that and I can understand the optimism I've been hearing.

Terlich - Just standard. Kicked a good goal from just inside 50 on the run after breaking a tackle, but did little else noticeable. I don't know why he has never been trialled in the midfield or half forward flank pushing up, even the wing?  We have played guys with worse endeavour and worse foot skills in those positions before. He is a see ball get ball player who generally pushes it forward with momentum. I think he is wasted in the backline because he doesn't have a defence first mentality.

Hulett - He's a big lad and a bit of an enigma. When he gets it I think he is a mid as he's quick and mobile with a decent kicking action. At this stage though he's a fair bit off the pace and just doesn't quite know where to be. I'm surprised he isn't playing in the development league. Cops a fair bit of flak from his teammates constantly yelling 'Huey, get in position', including Petracca who taught him an absolute lesson about pushing up to the edge of the square as a half forward. He didn't listen and was second to the ball when it came forward out of the square. Trac let him know about it too.

JKH - didn't have many (any) possessions but was specifically called out in the QT huddle for his work at the contest in the 50. He was certainly on some angry pills and was contesting everything, which was good to see. Disappointing to see him do his hammy; it seemed relatively minor at the time so should only be a couple of weeks I would think.

Of the Casey players I didn't mind the smart little mid/forward they all referred to as 'Gussy' (No he wasn't Angus), they also had some good big forward targets who took a few big grabs. Casey barely missed a set shot in the 2nd half which added to the blowout.

Don't think I missed anyone notable but happy to answer questions if I haven't covered something specific.

Depending on how we go tomorrow I would think if changes are in order then Brayshaw, ANB, Oscar and potentially Hunt would come under consideration.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for this report mate - very informative for those who can't make it down there. 

A good performance. 

All I want is to play well two weeks in a row. 

I hope his injury is not too bad. He's a terrific player and seems like a great bloke and deserves to be a part of the success they are having at the moment. 

Last time Lloyd wrote a negative piece about Melbourne it was the morning of the Geelong game last year. I think he thought we were sure things to get flogged so he thought he would be pretty safe having a crack at us. I'd suggest the same thing has occurred here so hopefully we get the same result!

That said, his article is 100% correct.