sideshowbob

if we move to the GC i'll start following rugby

Go Storm...

Try coming to Olympic Park anyway - regardless of what happens with the Dees - it's great fun!

You're quoting last year's figures. She's talking about this year. WJ's not talking about whether the crowd was poor for one individual game but that she committed a gaffe by not ascertaining how many home games the club's played this year.

I am quoting last year's figures. Well done. Just point to the bit in the article where she says she's only talking about this year and then i'll go away.

yo seem to think its indicative of good journalistic research to write that our "home ground attendances have been poor" when, in fact we've played only one home game this year and attracted 27,000 against the Western Bulldogs (instead of last home game against the Dogs which attracted 18,946).

I think we're reaching a crossed-purposes point, but I feel I have to post one more time. Just because this year's crowd was bigger doesn't mean it isn't poor. Have a look at this list and try and tell me Caroline Wilson isn't correct with her statement that our home attendances are poor. Despite the fact we have had one home game this season her conclusion remains valid. There are only four times we got over 30,000 - two of them were marquee games - the season opener and the queens birthday match.

R22 v Carlton - 26,156

R19 v Bulldogs - 18,946 (TD)

R18 v Sydney - 11,266 (MO)

R15 v Brisbane - 22,708 (G)

R11 v Collingwood - 70,660

R10 v Adelaide - 23,657

R9 v Kangaroos - 30,662

R6 v Port Adelaide - 16,266

R4 v Fremantle - 16,654

R3 v Geelong - 38,438

R1 v St.Kilda - 49,490

I think her research was just fine.

I don't think I'm missing the point at all. The point I'm making is that Wilson's article is written as told to her by the AFL. The example of the gaffe about our attendances wasn't nitpcking - it was drawn to show that she didn't even research her facts properly before going to print. I have no doubt we are going to have problems with home ground attendances as the season continues - who's going to go to our home game at Freo in a few weeks time if we maintain our present form?

The message from the AFL is that unless we do something soon to shape up, we might have to prepare ourselves for something drastic. IMO that includes as one possibility becoming the Gold Coast Demons.

No, you still miss the point. Caro didn't make a gaffe. Caro was spot on - our home attendances are pathetic (and have been for some time) and we are 0 and 4!

Ewww, I just defended Caro. I guess i won't get an invite onto the Footy Show now...

I'm sorry, I just can't take this thread seriously.

Perhaps we "annoited" the wrong President. This "phenomenom" is rare I am sure. Maybe "parliment" should act quickly and "re-appoint" someone to fix it up! Anything less would be an "absoloute" injustice.

So you support 5 games at Carrara?

I think the point is that we'd rather watch 5 games at Cararra than not have a team, if they are the only two choices available.

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But where did Caroline get this from ... " its home-game attendances have been poor with a 0-4 win-loss ratio to date"?

Just for the record, Melbourne has had one home game this year - against the Western Bulldogs whose membership numbers are apparently as low as ours. The crowd that day was 27,821 which I suppose, you could describe as "poor" but it's an "attendance" not one of a multiple number of "attendances" and it matches our home attendances against the same club in recent years.

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I think you miss the point and I think Rhino Richards got it - our home attendances have been poor for years. If you are happy to get 27,000 against the Dogs every year then you are happy to lose money on that game each year. I'd like to know what the break even point is at the MCG but i'm pretty sure the only ground in Victoria that makes a profit for a crowd that size is Skilled Stadium.

Have you seen the ad on page 4 that the article refers to? It is pathetic! I'm already intending to go to the game but if I was considering whether to go or not that ad would do nothing to convince me otherwise!

As for the notion that sponsors want to have their brand name seen and we don't get games on free to air TV - part of the reason we can't attract sponsors is addressed by the AFL in their comments to our board - we haven't attracted a new generation of support which means our games don't rate well on TV. Therefore, the networks don't want us. There's nothing in the AFL contract requiring equal coverage, and nor should there be.

I agree with Travis??'s point that we should be getting out there and promoting our club on TV, but remember, of course, if our players spent time promoting the club on shows like the footy show, before the game or (dare i say it) it takes two, then other supporters in this forum would come down on them like a tonne of bricks for not concentrating on footy!!

Involving traditional rivals too!

As boring as the Irish series.

Well, that settles it. The googly eyes proves that it will be forgettable and meaningless and i should just tear up my ticket.

Just because the rivalry isn't traditional doesn't mean it won't be great to watch.

Complete waste of time. A meaningless forgettable occassion

Disagree. I'll be going and i reckon it will be a great spectacle. It's about time we had an occasion where the best and only the best play - it will be particularly relevant in the future given the further diluting of the talent to take place with the introduction of two new teams.

U KNO WAT I WAS REALLY CONFIDENT TODAY WE WERE GUNNA WIN BUT FFS TOO MANY TURNOVERS RESULTED IN GOALS!!!!! WE ARE THE WORST CLUB GOING AROUND WITH PROBABLY SOME OF THE WORST PLAYERS!!! IM NOT A BLOKE WHO GOES OFF LIKE THIS INFACT IM A CHILLED PERSON BUT THIS PEFORMACE IS THE WORST I HAVE EVER SEEN!! [Edited] ROBBO LEARN TO KEEP UR FEET!! ARRHHH SOO BLOODY ANGRY!!

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I could think of plenty, but would rather see if you have the balls to follow up this post and actually leave.

I stood then and stand now. I go to the Blazer Bar for a beer as last year I noticed the BR gets too crowded. But both are equally bad. I pay a considerable amount to be a member yet struggle to get a beer even with a small crowd as they close off sections of the bar for service. What a joke. Have the whole bloody bar open. Then I have to walk a mile downstairs for a [censored]. A further joke. And they even have the 'Ladies' closer to the BR and staircases. Is there no tradition left ?

I was at the footy yesterday in the MCC section. So that people will continue reading this, I will point out i have both an MCC and MFC membership and that way you won't think i'm a free-loader who doesn't support the club.

I have a few observations.

1. The bullring was empty after the game - you should have come down there!

2. Two blokes in the standing section out the front of the doors leading to the bullring should hang their heads in shame after yesterday's deplorable performance. You made the Geelong supporters I saw last week look GOOD. Screaming at our players that they are a joke because they missed a goal (using much more colourful language) isn't really all that positive. Particularly in light of the fact that when you chose to yell at that player they had 3 North players bearing down on them and NOBODY ahead of them to kick to - they either blazed away at goal or coughed up the footy. What would you have preferred?

3. So many MCC members need to learn the holding the ball rule. Yes, we should have got a free when Grant missed his kick in his own goal square, but it's not holding the ball every time a North player gets tackled. I'm pretty sure 0.0000000001 of a second ISN'T prior opportunity.

4. Don't blame the umpires for the soft free kicks. We're the ones who give them away despite knowledge of the rules, and the umpires are told how to interpret them.

I wonder how many clubs would remain tolerant of their full forward if he had reaped just two goals from three matches in teams that were losing heavily and was dropping simple marks on top of it.

I can answer that question - Fremantle.

I'm benny's biggest fan but i am never in favour of brining in injured players. Let's save this debate for a few weeks time when he's fit again!!

Sorry StevenStretch, the very fact he is in the player-voted leadership group shows he gives us something.

The thread is about changes for next week - if Miller plays like he did yesterday - very frequently providing an option up forward, showing a desire to get involved physically and to chase, unlike some (cough, Robbo, cough), then he shouldn't be dropped.

Why are we all getting rid of Miller - he wasn't the worst yesterday!

Did anyone see in the paper yesterday that Carlton would be scrapping its white jumper after they play us because it doesn't represent them being the 'Blues'? This was brought about because of member backlash. Maybe if enough of us get angry with the club they'll have a rethink...

Talking with a carlton supporter he said "we never win when we wear the white jumper"

Obviously he set himself up there - you can guess what the comeback was...

"you never win in your blue jumper either!"

The reason we get a new alternate jumper when we change apparel suppliers is so the new supplier can make some money! If you have the FILA jumper with the bigger V and suddenly a red ASICS jumper is released, you go buy it* because we'll never wear the FILA one again. If you have the red ASICS jumper and they change the logo from an off-centre Demon to an "M", you go buy that* too for the same reason. Finally, when Reebok brings out a silver version, you buy that too*.

*depending on your current finances, of course!! I'm also a league supporter and the new Storm away jumper is $185 - so at least our ones are moderately affordable in comparison!

Super Bowl New England Patriots vs New York Giants. Patriots we massive favourites, unbeaten all year. Untill the play of the century by the Giants.

Wow Bruce, that was a good one! Genius!

Getting J Brown means Miller to the back line permanently.

I don't like it

Surely that's a trade waiting to happen?

Don't forget this year's superbowl where the 18-0 New England Patriots got beaten by the Wildcard NY Giants.

No contract was entered into with Adelaide..why would they get anything ?

No...this is a Richmond..and Richmond only debacle.

I was just hoping someone would bite. Everyone's so angry these days i was hoping to trigger another argument...!

If any action takes place, will the AFL find a way to give a draft pick to Adelaide in the same way they gave ours to Freo as compo for Jeff White?

4.

I'll be proudly wearing my red-with-off-centre-demon jumper at the cattery this week with the dutchman's number on my back. Dutchy's performance in the one point win there at CHB is one of my favourite footy memories.

i'm going to the game. I just bought a ticket for Axis of Bob so hopefully he'll be there too...

We would have the right to dictate terms to the AFL and the MCC if our fans actually turned up. They don't.

Furious D said: "Football is a business and blaming the customer for not buying your product is counterproductive". We need to ask why supporters of other clubs continue to buy the product regardless of how they are performing.

Summer training base? Good idea.

If they develop it into a 20,000 seat stadium i'd rather the Demons played at Casey Fields than at the 'Gabba or Manuka.

I don't knwo the details but we get a significant chunk of money for the sold-off home game - perhaps by playing at Casey we would have the added bonus of not frittering away that chunk of money by having to pay the AFL to hold games at the MCG? If only 20,000 supporters turn up it makes no sense to be playing at the MCG where we will continually lose money until we die.

In other words, if we can't get supporters to come back to our games, it's an option.