2for1

The Watts 'don't argue' was the highlight of the night for me.

Would love it if someone could put that up on youtube.

For those who have been at training over summer, is Cale actually looking that much bigger?

Also, that article is pretty average in some ways. I mean, what sort of idiot would say Tayte Pears is at the crossroads?

I don't think anyone is begrudging the many years of service Cam provided for the MFC, I think the problem arose when he left us at the 11th hour and hence no opportunity for any kind of reimbursement. In essence, he walked out on us, and thus shown that his only motivations are self serving.

He done a little sh*t fart on his legacy and left his dirty undies behind the vanity sink. He left on a presumption, why should we show loyalty when none was shown to us?

He did play for us for over a decade, I think that is showing loyalty.

To be honest, I understand why he wanted to leave. It's quite obvious that he asked the club if he would receive a new contract if he played well in 2011, and when they couldn't assure him of that, he decided to walk. I'm also of the opinion that he left so late because he wanted to stay at the MFC, and as such, he wanted to give them every opportunity to accept his terms.

They didn't, and now he has left - that's it.

It remains to be seen how big of an impact his absence will have next year, but he was a very good player for us over a number of years (including parts of last year), so to see many of the posters in this thread having a go at him is a touch disappointing.

I don't get the people saying that Moloney's actions will assist in toughening the kids up, if anything Moloney neeeds to toughen up.

It sounds like he got [censored] off at a rookie for beating him and, in turn, used the minimal contact as an excuse to take it out on him.

Pretty poor form if you ask me, especially from someone who appears to have leadership aspirations.

On another note, it's good to hear that Campbell is already having a positive impact on the younger rucks at the club. I think he'll be a valuable addition for us, even if he doesn't manage to play many games.

Membership numbers are massive for clubs, however.

They would much prefer people to buy memberships than make the same profit from merchandise sales.

To me, as long as the club is seeing some benefit from my support, then it's all good.

Even if they would prefer me to buy a membership, I'm sure they are grateful for my support in any case.

Getting a bit wound up, are we?

Attending games as an MCC member supports the club?

Wow, you buy some clothes.

Weak. No wonder the club has been in trouble with pea-hearts like you as "supporters".

Your posts are full of contradiction.

You insult my intelligence whilst failing to comprehend what I'm saying, you say I'm getting worked up when you're the one continually bagging me for being weak, a fairweather supporter and a pea-heart, you say you want the club to shed its elitist tag, yet you won't accept anyone as a supporter unless they buy a membership which doesn't give them any personal benefit.

Also, when you say things like 'wow, you buy some clothes' I could simply respond with 'wow, you buy a membership.'

At the end of the day, both are mechanisms through which to support the club, yet you feel superior for some reason which I can't comprehend. All I know is that there certainly isn't a logical or rational reason for your mindset, you just like to think that you're a 'true supporter' of the club whilst others who choose to do things differently aren't.

I think the MCC connection is is a positive, we just haven't seen the MFC as a power in the modern era with the MCC connection yet.

That is not to discourage people from being MFC members, but if 2for 1 goes to lets say 10 home games, spending money within the MCC each visit and also spends $200 per annum in the "Demon Shop" i consider him to be a Financial supporter of the club.

His spending is helping the club to grow, his voice hopefully helps the players.

No he is not a Member, but he still supports and grows the Mighty Demons.

That said, i do hope one day 2for1 becomes a member, but until then please keep CONSUMING!!!

Thanks mate, you're one of the few individuals within this thread who can view things objectively and intelligently.

Perhaps one day I will become a member, but for now I will continue consuming and I will continue to support the club and its associated players.

Sick of these you got to be a MFC member to be a supporter discussions. You do realise this mass buying of memberships is only a modern phenomena? Back in the 50s and 60s we had a massive SUPPORTER base, now go and check the membership levels - bugger all, and that was for all clubs. Are you saying your parents/grandparents weren't real supporters? - don't think they'd be very happy with you.

oh by the way, MCC member and being buying membership donations to the MFC for several years, including the daughter who doesn't go, and the daughter who can get in on a guest pass anyway. And yes, there are circumstances where an MCC membership will be purchased and the MFC won't be, like next season when I don't work for 6 months due to chemotherapy and luxuries such as MFC membership will only be paid for 1 daughter.

also how can anyone say MCC membership is not great value? AFL membership just doesn't compare.

Another great post, and I hope all goes well for you and your family next year.

I agree on the MCC membership point too, it really does offer great value.

Last time I checked this is a forum for supporters of the Melbourne Football Club. Please forgive my bias to the club and not giving a [censored] about how many ANZAC day games, friday night games or cricket games you go to.

Not telling you how to spend your money, not telling you whether you get value for money out your MCC membership. Just saying that I've got no time for the Melbourne "supporters" that put their money into their MCC membership and give nothing and do nothing for the club.

Is this directed at me or is it more of a general statement?

My definition of a supporter is someone who buys a membership to support their club.

It's that simple.

Stop hiding behind a vague "I support the club in other ways" argument.

If you don't donate to the club or have a membership, you don't support them in my eyes.

I'd understand if you didn't have the cash, but you obviously do.

Mate, how is saying that I go to games and buy merchandise from the MFC store vague?

It's clear and it's easily understandable unless you're a moron.

Also, it's rather myopic to suggest that there is only one way to support the club, bordering on ridiculous in fact.

2for1,

Let's sort this out once and for all....How much on average would you spend on Merchadise through the "Demon Shop" each year??

Well, this year I bought a new jumper, a t-shirt and one of those singlets (which I kind of regret buying because I can't pull it off as well as Col Sylvia did in the catalogue).

What does that add up to? Somewhere around $200 I guess.

Unfortunately, I live in the real world.

Where member numbers are a badge of honour (or dishonour) for clubs.

Without the MCC/MFC donators that give money for nothing OUR club would have 25,000 members and a hell of a lot more pressure on us.

We do a great service for this club, over and above the merchandise we buy from Brunton Ave.

We'll be happy to have you.

I agree that you do a great service for the club, and you are to be commended for that.

It just isn't for me.

In the real world, membership numbers may be a badge of honour, but merchandise sales and attendance numbers also help the club as well, and those are the areas in which I choose to contribute.

If you were smart enough, you'd realise there's nothing "elitist" about buying a membership.

Not your strong point though.

Stick to being a tightarse.

Nowhere did I say buying a membership is elitist, if your ability to comprehend the English language was at a higher level, you would know this.

What I did say, however, is that it is elitist for people to view others as an inferior type of supporter if they don't buy one. You are one of these individuals who doesn't appear to acknowledge the other mechanisms through which someone can support the club, and instead, see membership as the only way to do it. Just because someone has a different approach to supporting the club, it does not make them any less of a supporter, at least not in my eyes.

As I and others have said above, any type of support for the club should be welcomed and embraced.

We should be welcoming all levels of support, whether that means buying a $50 mcc/mfc membership or not. If someone chooses to buy merchandise and attend all dees games sitting in the MCC.... That still brings significant benefits to the club, adds to our attendance and merch sales.

For those attempting to argue that an MCC membership doesn't offer value...you are kidding yourself. There's 180,000 names on a waiting list that disagree with you. Last year I attended around 35 games at the G, which included 2 prelims and the grand final...plus 2 days of the test.

Yeah, good post, and one that isn't as myopic as some of the others in this thread.

Really, what does it matter if I buy a membership or not?

I support the club through other means, such as attending games and buying merchandise. That's how I choose to do it, largely because I don't want a membership that doesn't offer me a great deal. That's just my opinion, and I'm sure there are others floating around this site who hold a similar viewpoint that don't have the nuts to say so. Either that, or they just purchase a membership anyway so they don't feel inadequate amongst the clowns who choose to brand people as fairweather fans if they don't have one.

As Junior pointed out, all levels of support should be welcomed, and to me, those holding an elitist 'if you don't buy a membership then you're not a true supporter' mindset are morons.

You're a good consumer, but as a supporter...

Look, fine. And I get the excitedness expresses earlier is on the nose re: what Nasher said.

But you're infuriating me with your 'nothing' meme.

Do you think any of us got 'value for money' during 07-09? We all paid for 'nothing.'

I think that if you ponder it deep enough you'll understand that sometimes nothing isn't really nothing and that sometimes you should concede that.

10,000 MCC members have given $50 or $160 for 'nothing' for 2011.

And that's something.

I hear what you're saying, and I admire you for parting with some of your cash for the good of the club, but from my point of view, I want my money to offer me something in return.

I'm happy to buy merchandise from the club shop - jumpers, t-shirts and the like - but when it comes to simply handing over cash for no apparent reason, it just isn't for me.

Perhaps my perception will change in time, and romantic notions such as the one you're peddling will mean more to me, but at the moment, I'm thinking about things in a more objective manner.

So, you're forking out for an MCC membership, but too tight for an MFC membership, yet I'm promoting the club being elitist?

No. I welcome any supporter, whether they are a member of the MCC or not.

That membership is of little consequence.

My condition for you to be termed a "supporter" is to buy an MFC membership.

That's it. That's far from elitist.

If you care to delve deeper, I guess the condition means that you are willing to give something for nothing in return.

True support. When the only thing you get in return is knowing that you are helping your club.

Thats the way I see things.

But I've said my piece & I don't really wish to debate it any more.

As has been said, it's an ugly debate.

I'd hate to stop those who don't currently buy a membership, from maybe doing so in the future.

As I said above, these romantic ideals currently mean little to me.

I'm a big fan of the MFC, I hardly miss a match, can name every player on the list and their associated strengths and weaknesses, but due to the way I value my money, I don't wish to fork out for a membership which offers very little.

Buying someone implies an exchange, yet when you buy one of these so-called memberships, no benefit is forthcoming.

This is why I prefer to buy MFC-related products of my choosing, and I probably spend more on those than I would on any membership. Oh, but I forgot, you need to sacrifice something for nothing in order to be considered a true supporter.

Well, sorry, I don't buy into such notions.

Just proves even the most bright and even of us can get excitable.

Meh.

Pay up.

I'm cool.

Not into spending money on nothing, doesn't make sense to me.

You're not a supporter if you don't support the club by buying a membership.

You're a casual AFL fan pretending to be a "fellow MFC supporter".

You support nothing.

So purchasing merchandise from the MFC store is not a mechanism through which to support the club?

You were talking about attempting to diminish the club's elitist image earlier, yet your comments within this thread only serve to reinforce it.

I think what 2for1 is getting at is probably at the heart of why this is ever debated.

Some believe MCC members should buy MFC memberships regardless, some MCC members don't see the point.

I'm a student who is also a member of the future fund, have also donated money etc. and buy at least one club jumper a year (I'm a sucker) on top of the membership. I view my membership as a donation, but one I get the least satisfaction out of.

Obviously for those who aren't MCC members, the MFC membership gets them into games. Aside from games at the Dome, I've never had to use my MFC membership.

I think that memberships are important from outside perspective and possibly chances at sponsorship, hence why I buy a membership.

But, in terms of helping the club financially, I'd much rather buy a jumper each yeah than a membership if the club benefited equally from it.

Yeah, I would prefer to buy something from the MFC store that I actually want, which I do on occasion, to assist the club, rather than paying for a membership which is largely futile for someone like me.

Inclusive of those who profess to support the club, but won't buy a membership?

It's not meant to be a pissing contest, but it's insulting to those like myself who sacrifice for the good of the club, while others sit back and reap the benefits.

It's weak and it's also indicative of character.

You can choose not to believe that, but it's the truth.

It's weak and indicative of character to have a dig at a fellow MFC supporter because they have a different value system to yours.

I'm only being honest, yet you feel the need to insult me because of it.

Pathetic.

TBH I'm was bringing out my inner WYL.

But seriously, if you don't fork out the extra $50 it's pretty bloody weak.

In your opinion, pal.

You obviously do, considering the passive aggressiveness that is dripping off this post.

You should pay up, you'll sleep easier tonight.

I sleep like a baby, so I fail to see how that will help.

I'd appreciate a small explanation of why you don't.

At present I'm tempted to call you something that would get deleted by a mod.

The price of an MCC membership, in itself, is more than enough of an outlay for me.

That's it. I don't hate the club, but why would I buy something that isn't going to offer me any additional value?

I'm an MCC member who doesn't fork out the additional money for an MFC membership.

Think of me what you will, I really don't care.

INteresting that two of our 'private school' recruits lack intensity - Strauss and Watts. Its a pet theory of mine.... Particularly when compared to a Dustin Martin type who plays as if his life depends on it (It probably does)

Tapscott, Scully and Trengove are all private school boys as well, so I see no real correlation between attending a private school and a lack of intensity.

It's 100% true that a verbal agreement constitutes a legally binding contract between the two parties.

Having said that, I don't think there is much point discussing it at the moment, given that all signs point to Jack happily agreeing to join the MFC in the future.

Unfortunate end to the match, but thanks for the updates, KC.

Thanks for the updates, KC.

How are the Melbourne players going thus far?

He was poked in the eye early on, so I'm assuming his reaction was the result of that incident.

That's a terrible review.

The author seems to have a vague understanding of the club, and nothing more.

I know, after seeing Natinui last night im getting more and more impatient.

Remember Watts is almost a year younger than Naitanui. In some ways, you could almost consider him a first year player, given that was didn't get to focus on his footy too much last year due to schooling commitments.

Naitanui is also a physical monster already, whereas Watts is very thin.

Give the kid time, and we'll see why he was selected at the top of the tree.

Then you're a moron 2fa. Simple as that. "If it is what I think it is" IMPLIES that it COULD be something groin related. Most of his time out of footy (not counting suspension) has been related to this. To see how hard he's been training, how huge he is at the moment in photos, and to hear he has what can only be seen as a "leg injury" suggested to me at the time that it was possible it was worse than a corkie.

This post is the last I'm going to say on the matter. It's pretty clear cut there. I didn't say at any time that I knew anything more than anyone else currently posting. Hence the term "I'll wait."

Fair dinkum mate. Get a life.

Wait a minute, so you took how hard he's been training, how massive he looks and the fact he limped off the ground into consideration and then, based on this information, came to the conclusion that it could be something groin related, as well as something worse than a corkie.

Sounds like an assessment to me.

By the way, it was pleasant of you to resort to personal insults, very classy.

When did I make an assessment? Learn how to read plain English before YOU make an assessment.

Fair dinkum.

I believe your initial post included the phrase 'if it's what I think it is,' which, to me, implies that you made an assessment based on very little at all.

I honestly can't see any way in which you could argue otherwise.

According to Schwab's twitter, he was kicked in the ankle and seemed fine afterwards.

Sounds as if there's little to worry about in any case.

wtf?

I'll wait...no I won't... i'll imply i know something and its bad... then i'll say i'll wait

Exactly, it is absolutely ridiculous to make an assessment based on what little information we have.

Hopefully it's nothing more than cramp, but we'll have to wait and see.