Tolstoys Nudge

Oh, your like the, BIG BOY are you..mr RHIno.. Big moderator man!! So im getting told off, is that it??? because I actually have an opinion, and have the knackers to actually put it out there? Your a joke! Seriously, who do u think you are, its MY OPINION, and since I added these MOCK DEALS im actually getting alot of validation from supporters of other clubs! I mean, Ive been a member of this bulletion board since 98, when it first started, in 1 form or another, and I rarely actually post, its not like im filling this place with junk every 5 mins, its quite the opposite.. Every1 is entitled to their opinion mate, and not all opinions are safe.. Sorry for trying to illustrate my point... Get over yourself, sit back, and maybe try and realise the true purpose of boards like thjese, its to share and articulate points of differance, not come down on anyone who actually has a bold idea.. you should be ashamed of yourself, its a message board, not a sect.. everyone needs to relax.. We all love this club, thats the main thing.. <_<

Just got some of the guys ?@ SEn's thoughts on the green and Sylvia trades, all i asked was what they thought... And "I really like those especially the Jericho one, works well for both, good one that".. "The Green for Boyle does make a lot of sense, especially now I know Greens only turning 27, He raelly could use a change, Hawks seem perfect fit, Boyle could really straighten up dees, hawks could afford to deal him too.." So at least i did my research on these ones.. Hope they demonstrate my point better!! Remember, im not saying these will happen, just that IMO they would really benefit our list, and they are at least viable enough to make a little sense!

My Votes: 6 - Matthew Bate 5 - Paul Johnson 4 - Matthew Warnock 3 - Lynden Dunn 2 - Brad Green 1 - Chris Johnson

Thought he was really good today.. Possibly his best overall game, was given a job, stuck to it well.. Drop him.. no way, not now lord!! IMHO this weeks changes should really only be out: Bode, IN: Morton..

Draft picks wont be easy to trade for, as the new teams come in.. We'd be hard pressed to trade any player for decent picks as they have now become so valuable.. Thats why our mid-picks will be rated higher, thus we can try and cash in on their value! Im not trying to predict trades!! thats not what this ideas! its an example of what we need: Key Forward, Pace!!

CJ CAN be delisted.. Contract dont mean you cant be delisted.. Plus, "out of favour" does not mean you wont get a game.. it means they are not happy with your performance, as they feel you can do better, i mean seriously, Bruce is out of form, but he's still playing.. Mundy would be handy, thought that friday, looks good, but would need 2 lift.. Thorp from hawks would be ideal, but they rate him even higher than Crows rate Tippett, however the differance is they have alot of Key forward options so you never know..

Well, he had a stellar 06.. Was a free running midfielder who kicked goals.. Robert Walls said he was out of favour earlier i the year, and that he would of been traded had the suitable deal come along.. Its also mentioned Brisbane were out of favour with him in the AFL prospectus.. So, yeah.. nice one mate..

Damn straight! I still cant understand why after the dogs game he was brought back in.. Too small, slow, terrible hands.. Might look good at VFL level, but certainly not an AFL player!!

Not saying it matters bud, Just making an observation..

I really liked what I saw today... PJ began as a Lead up forward, before he had those injury probs at the Eagles.. He seems to have a really good motor, and if used the right way, could rally be a dangerous figure in the forward line, especially once he gets some support down there.. Hopefully we can afford the luxury of persisting with him up there, my only issue is whether its as a Miller-style lead up, or deep.. I suppose he can be used in both roles, depending on the opposition and who else is playing.. But, im pretty sure this is why he was recruited, and after today surely Bailey hill keep him there for a while.. Thoughts??

yes, exactly!! They are far more versatile!

Thankyou, Now that makes sense, and I can see the real issue.. Yes, if I knew I was gunna be taken this literally, I would have come up with some better examples.. I was just sitting here, and thought, who can we trade, and what do we need.. You are wrong with 1 thing though, I know other clubs lists, i know our lists, but I can see why ppl may think thats false.. i suppose I should of just left out the examples or studied it properly!! ie: Sylvia could be traded to Adelaide, but yes tippett would not be the player we could realistically receive.. perhaps someone more of the Vince ilk, but thats not what we need, so i just added Tippett to demonstate what we need.. To get someone like Prismall, we would need to give Bruce plus a decent younger player around the 20-23 age, but we dont really have any1 to suit a fair deal, it would either be too good for them, or not good enough.. Bruce to Hawthorn for someone like Morton or Kennedy is more likely, and makes more sense.. in essence, I see where MOSt of u are coming from, Thus: We need to use our trades wisely, I would consider trading: Bruce, Green, Rivers, Petterd, Bell etc for players of Pace, A forward presence and/or good disposal.. IE: players like: Sherman, Stewart, Tippet, Prismall and so on.. But as I know all too well, striking a deal, no matter how good it looks is very hard!! VERY hard!!

Again, I AGREE WITH YOU!!! Petterd MAY want to go back to QLD, Sherman is the TYPE we need, thus = it COULD work Please refer to my last post above, its not meant to be taken so literally!! IMO real opinion, yes these trades would bever happen, they need fine tuning, ie: Petterd to Bris for Sherman, However, I do think 1 or 2 of them ae more than fair! Warnock, would really only command a 3rd rounder, take or leave carroll, Bell for Stewart is also quite fair.. and u must remember, u need to give 2 receive!

OMG.. Your really tsting my nerve champ.. I have no idea what im talking bout huh.. well wats ur big idea for our list?? Just because u dont agree, which is fine, u dont have to shoot everything down.. FOR THE 6th TIME< THESE TRADES ARE AN INDICATION OF WHAT WE NEED< NOT AN EXACT EXAMPLE!! I did think them through, but if i posted all the potential trades, we'd be here forever.. To make it even simpler.. Im basically saying, the players i pont out COULD be used as trade bait, and the TARGETS COULD be a rael assistance to our list! I then made up a few quick MOCK trades to help demonstrate my point, ok!! WOW!

Im sure he is, but he really does not SEEm 194cm.. to loka t him, yuo'd say 191, 192 MAX.. He does hunch though... Looked quite good last week, lets all hope he goes on.. should be interesting!

See, this is my point, this blokes tryin to say the opposite, that WERE bein' hard done by!! Not 1 person is understanding my point, its the CONCEPT!! These trades are to be treated as an example!! So many r to narrow minded! I know its hard to realise, but WERE CRAP!! WE need some change, DONT ACCEPT MEDIOCRITY!! We cant get better with NO CHANGE!! im not saying, trade 4 players!! Just 1 of them is progress, trading sylvia for a DEVELOPING FORWARD!! not JUST Tippett!! I hope u can begin to see where im comin from!

great work!! Was just thinking this the other day.. I remember Neale talking about it at the pre-season meeting a few years ago.. Our list has great potential in regards to age and games played, especially as you mentioned come next year.. The only other thing is alot of those players are too similiar in my view, where Geelong had a better spread of types.. Its a real interesting topic though, thanx 4 posting the info!!

I was not having a go at you.. Just stating that im talking bout trades this year.. Please bear in mind, these are just things i think could help.. Sylvia prob not enough to get Tippet, but if he gets traded, it should be for that TYPE of player.. Im not posting anything unreasonable, or saying things that WILL happen, gimme a break! Green could also be trade bait, I think hes been grat, but if the price is right.. Im just sick of some who judge everything badly, they bag anyone who says sumthin differant, and it seems if they had their way, NOTHING WOULD EVER ACTUALLY CHANGE!!! I love my club, and am simply throwing out ideas I see could help!! OK

U moron!! Trash??? In what way?? bloody hell, some people!! What do you suppose we do!! idiot!! As for trading Petterd, Im not saying delist him, just that Sherman could be better suited to us, and Ricky MAY wanna go home, FOR all those idiots who just shoot every NEW idea down, get off the fence and actually get crative!! its AN IDEA!! NOT A GOSPEL!!!

YOUR ALL THINKING TO LITERALLY!! Besides, I wanna keep Rivers, and Syl, but WE CANT KEEP EVERY MFC PLAYER!! this is the problem, Sylvia, if he can get us something we need, DO IT>> Ditto any1 else, at this point in time, we cannot be complacent i these hard times, we need 2 be aggressive and realise that trading players can work, esp Syl, who I was so excited bout, but hes just not cutting it so far.. is he?? Im not saying lets do ALL THESE TRADES!! good god!! So u wanna get better by keeping every1?? nice theory..

Thats just silly.. Sorry mate, but Petterd is NEVER gonna get a 1st round pick, sorry but no.. Miller, I hope u mean he'll just go 2 GC, cus he wont even get us a 3rd rounder.. I see ur point, but its up to US who we trade with, plus GC cant trade yet!! silly post all roun mate, sorry, but it was..

This is just me speaking my mind, Im not dealing in rumours or scuttlebutt, just what we need.. Its important to analyze this list now, so that come end of year, its easy, you think the club isnt doin it yet?? READ THE BOLD BUDDY>>

Just for arguments sake, these players I think will be delisted: Jace Bode, Chris Johnson, Mark Jamar, Matthew Whelan, Adem Yze, Ben Holland, Isaac Weetra.. Will go close if not traded: Newton, Carroll, Miller, Buckley...