Straight Sets Simon

I agree. The mentality that players still seem to have of looking sideways all the time and not moving the ball directly forward is seriously worrying. I noted that most of the goals scored (by both sides) were the result of direct, attacking football.

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So how do you know any better?

Melbourne's midfield as a whole improved when Ratten came on board. White and Thompson were part of that. That is, it was Ratten's arrival/influence that allowed the midfield to improve, in particular he also contributed to White and Thompson having very good years. Not the other way around. Ratten was the independent variable. There were many articles written at the time when players came out and credited Ratten with their improvement. I don't care if you take note of what is said by the players, but no one was making them say what they did.

Keep selecting them in the side.

From watching them play...

When it came to Ratten, when he arrived at the club there was an immediate and noticeable improvement in the midfield. And not just from individual performances from Thompson and alike. The way the whole midfield operated had improved and at the time I remember reading / hearing players put it down to the arrival of Ratten.

In my starting 22 the only Melbourne players I have are Petterd and Newton with Valenti and Maric on the bench.

I've had a good chat about the Dees with Rob before. He is very passionate.

That's the thing, I like the simplicity of it. I'm the same when it comes to football jumpers.

I always like the old one, but it does look a little tacky now. EDIT: My only gripe with the new logo is that every letter "e" is lower case. It's a bit annoying.

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Just on Godfrey, I've noticed that he is still listed as a player on the MFC website.

I know it has been mentioned before but I would just like to say how good, I think the new logo looks. At first it didn't float my boat at all, but it has really grown on me, especially after seeing it on member cards and the MFC website. IMO Melbourne does have a bit of an identity crisis and I believe that this logo says and shows all it needs to; We are the red and blue and we are Melbourne.

1) Melbourne The rest I don't care about enough to hate.

I always found it confusing that some people rated CAC so highly and yet were critical of the playing list.

Rivers looks much bigger in the shoulders. IMO he is more than capable of being a permanent CHB.

There are two big stereotypes with AFL fans. 1) Collingwood supporters are the poor working class. 2) Melbourne supporters are rich snow-going upper-class. Yes, there are always exceptions to these rules however as a general overview they are very much true. The thing is, Collingwood's supporters may have less money, however they are more willing to spend what they have on going to games and buying memberships etc. However, from my experience with working with some of Australia's richest people (again, exception to the rules apply) they are the ones who are not willing to cough up. Even for something as cheap as a coffee! My point is, if anything the fact that Melbourne supporters tend to have more money is more of a hindrance than a help. EDIT: That's just my anecdotal assessment.

If Sampi gets his act together then I would be more than happy seeing him and Davey running around in the forward line together.

IMO logos look crap. One of the best thing about AFL jumpers is their simplicity. The Bulldogs have ruined their jumper by putting that logo on the front IMO. That's why I'm all for having an alternative that still holds on to the simple design of the Melbourne jumper.

I like the idea of something like this: Emphasise the "M" for "Melbourne" as well as providing an alternative that keeps the traditional idea concept of the jumper. Excuse crap Paint skills.

I think that Carlton's poor list might have had something to do with them performing badly just quietly.

I was more alluding to the fact that in a strange way they look similar (at least with that photo of Neale). But what you said makes more sense. I've got no problem with the concept, I would just like to have seen it done better. EDIT: I just my membership today and after seeing the new logo in action I'm happy with it. After only seeing a small version I wasn't all that keen but it has now grown on me.

I now see the reason for the logo change.

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