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Posts posted by Grimseyisgod
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Don't write off St Kilda too quickl. We thought we could bank Port Adelaide last year and look what happened. IMO we can even beat Carlton and a win there (against Malthouse and Brock Maclean) would be better for our morale than the other four matches combined!
Stkilda arent as good as Port Adelaide and i know you cant just say that.
But Port still had a real midfield.
Stkilda have 2 gun midfielders and one of which will not be playing, so itll just be Steven.
Mckenzie will hopefully lock him down and Tmac takes Rooey again.
Go dees
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All these Wines comparison are great
Honestly, Toumpas is the classiest player i have EVER seen walk through Melbourne's door. even more so than i thought Scully was..
The composure the kid has with his kick will be a highlight over the next decade.
The kid has no other comparisons to other players because he will be an individual, soon enough people will compare future draftees to Toumpas.
Watch him be a jet
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I really don't like the comparisons between Toumpas and Wines. They are entirely different players and it made sense in taking Toumpas when the time arose at last year's draft. He was best available and was of a type we sorely lacked.
Now that the Toump is recovered fully from his hip operations, we can expect big things from him and I look forward to a big year from him.
i dont think it's the comparison about them.. i think it's just the comparison that we could have taken Wines over Toumpas as he would have more effect.
It's more a comparison about taking the players themselves, rather then comparing their strengths
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Like your optimism G but lets get past the first round then we can all reassess the rest of the games.
Hope u r right though!!
ofcourse this depends on basically round one...
but with Roos i'd like to see things pan out abit differently and with some real new recruits in the Midfield
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Dom Tyson- i would love to see his highlight package in games. He is a very talented lad and i think may even be able to have a real impact next year.
Daniel Cross- Would love to see why he has been such a good player over such a long period of time, also his on field leadership qualities.
Jack Trengove- finally would love to see Trenners get it going, injury free and with some speed.
Obviously we want to see Toumpas, Clark on the field and Viney.
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I was looking through the draw and i do not see why we cant get more then just a few wins on the board.
Round 1 v Stkilda- should be able to WIN
round 2 v WCE @home- would expect to go close to winning in this one
round 3 v GWS- WIN
round 4 v Calrton- we never beat them, loss
round 5 v GC- should be able to WIN
From there the draw gets harder, but the point is, we should be able to win 3 or 4 out the first 5 or definitely be more than competitive.
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I think we are starting to see the rise of the Toump. If you look at the picture of him on the Melbourne Website, his frame is already starting to look stronger and has been a stand out at training.
I reckon this year we are going to start to see what the Toump is made of and how come we so confidently took him over Wines.
Absolutely cannot wait for this!
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They are nothing alike.
they absolutely are. The reason why they were and are both such high draft picks are because of their explosivety.
Without that, neither would have been first round..
Freeman has poor ball use, struggles with consistency. Sounds alot like Blease to me.
Although Freeman enjoys more of the hard stuff and Blease not as much, they share more similarities that differences.
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Freeman is another Sam Blease.
Salem is alot more consistent and more of a precision player.. personally we already have a Blease, let's develop him into the amazing player he could actually be.
Although it would have been fantastic to have Freeman also and try to turn him into a Dangerfield type of player, Salem is a better fit.
Apparently Hunt could be anything and he's quick, maybe we have a gem in him
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When we have a capable midfield, he will become one.
It's not about Midfield..
it's about the fact that every team needs a shutdown player.
He is a very good shutdown player
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What did he get suspended for?
striking/rough conduct of Ryan Crowley..
Not surprised, he's a pest
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As bad as Melbourne were/are surely we will beat Stkilda?
They literally dont have a team.
Who are they going to replace NIckyDal, Mcevoy, Montagana and Milney with?
if we dont get them than the MFC really is out of hope
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he could honestly kick 50+ in his first year.
Clubs will have to put there number 1 defender on Clark
2nd defender on Watts
3rd on Hogan
4th on Dawes.
I reckon Hogan and Watts are more dangerous that Dawes.
But some weeks Hogan could attract 3rd/4th defenders which is amazing
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We really do need him to be a star...
But it's exciting times at the dees because by the time he hits 70 games.. players like Watts, Trengove, Grimes and Tmac will already be notching up considerable amount of games
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JORDIE MCKENZIE IS NOT A FRINGE PLAYER
i think people need to understand that
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you've really got to feel for the guy.
that's it.. you could see how hard he worked
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if we dont have injuries hell most likely play around the middle/wing... but if our forwards start to get injured he will definitely be pushed to forward line again
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Wrong approach.. You should be looking at our bottom tier best 22 players stepping it up.. It's these players that are going to bring us into top 8 contention..
Eg..
Evans - Avg 20 Disposals and 1 goal a game.
Tapscott - Shuts down opposition forward each week.
Kent - Kicks 35 goals as forward pocket..
Michie - Avg 28 Disposals and 1 goal a game
Jamar - back to AA form
Howe - 40-50 goals
McDonald - AA CHB
Trengove - Avg 30 disposals
If things like the above happen, the 8 players you mentioned should lift their game regardless..
You're only as good as your bottom players.. need the whole team to step up..
You are nuts to say 35 goals from Kent, Michie to average so high, Howe 40-50 and Trengove 30 disposals.
Lower the bar 20-30% and we'd be much improved even still
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1. Mitch Clark, would need to kick a massive bag of goals for us to be contenders to make finals
2. Nathan Jones, would need to push over averaging 25+ disposals per game and become more of a ball magnet
3. Chris Dawes, would need to start dominating and support Clark and add some grunt
4. James Frawley, would need to have another stellar year and be All Australian
5. Jack Watts, might actually have to start pulling his finger out, get his numbers up and kick some goals too
6. Jack Trengove, would need to start tearing games open and finding the footy. But he has the potential
7. Bernie Vince, would need to become a real prominent midfielder and find the footy big time
8. Jeremy Howe, would need to start being amazing at a more consistent level. The different between his good and bad would have to shrink.
Notice i did not include viney, Hogan, Toumpas, pick 9, Tyson might all have to have a serious impact but i cant include them because i feel as if they are too young to be so important. But they are important obviously.
Especially Viney
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Col is a good player who will be missed, but we have quickly replaced him with Vince.
Let's hope Vince is better
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i think everyone has the same basic template for a team.
Except i think that:
Our Fringe players are:
Viv Michie
Jimmy Toumpas (at the moment)
MItch Clisby
Matt Jones
Dean Terlich
Jake Spencer
Max Gawn
Dean Kent
Michael Evans
But i think This year we could see some stars in the making with players like Trengove, Toumpas, Clisby, Evans, Tyson blossoming into real guns.
Viney, Jones and Vince are already Pretty good, along with our whole forward line.
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you have heard. he said we need midfielders.
We just got midfielders?
what do you want?
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Jones Jnr????
i thought that was given that we'd take him?
any info on him please?
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I don't want the Saints cause if we lose, where to from there? Defeatist? Maybe.
I want winnable, but justifiable if we lose. West Coast.
thats why i picked a team like Adelaide, completely agree.
dont want to "ruin"the season.. Sad truth
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The rise of the Toump
in Melbourne Demons
Posted · Edited by Grimseyisgod
i really dont want to get abusive here, holding it back.
But it's AFL supporters like you that make me want to tear out the seats at the MCG.
I will reiterate a point that you're seeming to forget, we HAVE NEVER had a player of such class and composure with the footy.
Toumpas by 2016 will be a far better player than Jones IMO, he will surpass our so called 'good players' so quickly ill be like a flash of light.