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9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

12 weeks ago Goodwin said Grundy is now at a club that values him. 

12 weeks ago.

Disgusting how Grundy has been treated. 

6 minutes ago, BW511 said:

I think the coaching staff also owe a few blokes an apology over the preseason/exit period. They may all be gone but Tommo, Laurie, Woey, Dunstan, Melk, Hibbo, Ben Brown, JJ and Spargs could all feel hard done by.

They may not be the absolute best option at times but selection integrity has been a disaster. We’ve stuck with a system and group of players that have fallen short for two years straight.

Ultimately, the stubbornness and system have failed that group and the club in general.

I think there will be considerable movement over this off-season and we’ll find the club isn’t quite as harmonious as it should be 

Yep. Interesting watch this space. 

Nick Riewoldt albeit grand finals losses said they put so much effort for 2 seasons for little reward, it broke them. 

Max saying it's very Melbourne way of losing shows the players have lost their faith in the fwd entry structures. 

Max and May are 32 next year. 

Harry Petty, Daniel Turner, Jacob Van Rooyen need big preseasons. 

Howes AMW Taj need to be better and be regulars. 

We need new blood to rejuvenate cause the same 22-25 will be mentally shot if we play the same team. 

18 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

I think we also bomb it because that way the ball is marked or drops close to the goal square, where you don't need to be an elite kick to create goals.

See for example Curnow, takes a mark outside 50 maybe 55 m out and he almost gets a goal (touched on the line).

Besides Fritsch and at some extent JVR/Petty, we don't have reliable kicks in our list. So we need the perfect angle and distance to create a score. That's not gonna happen in finals.

Ironically we have Ben Brown, Jake Melksham, Tom McDonald to add to JVR and petty who are all excellent set shots but unfortunately none played last night.  

4 minutes ago, Great Northern Summer said:

What part of the game plan? You mean the kicking at goal game plan? I agree there. We dominated the last two weeks with our game plan, so I’m not really sure why we’d want to move away from it when our list has been built for it and it’s proven (not just by us but previous premiers). I’ll say again, our goal kicking cost us 2023, not our game plan. Recruiting a few more skilful players would help too.

The game plan to kick to the same spot on the fwd line and on top of players heads. 

We've had 2 years of evidence. 

Max said it's very Melbourne way to lose. 

 Opposition don't even bother defending their direct opponents as they know where the ball is going. 

Simon Goodwin is not a coach. He follows analytics. Don't worry about forward craft and leading and provide options, analytics says kick it to this area so do it 💯 of the time. 

8 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Scott and Lyon both saying in reality he is guilty. Scott said at training, would he do that and then take out a team mate?

Exactly. Maynard didn't mean to concuss Angus but he was looking to collect a body on the way down. 

Old school clumsy Shane Mumford style. Make sure to collect a body on the way through. 

9 minutes ago, Buzzy said:

Wow, could never have guessed it would be wasted inside 50's and forward efficiency that would be our undoing, who could have seen that coming.

 

You don't get beaten by what you know. David King 

More inside 50s please. Goodwin. 

Grundy in. Tmac out.

Tomlinson/turner. Van Rooyen out.

JJ in. Brayshaw out. 

We need 3 kpd. 

Salem to be forward. Been trash for weeks. Maybe try as Melksham type.

Salem fritch anb

Koz grundy Chandler.

I'm drunk. 

33 minutes ago, Abyssal said:

Possible Left field option, at least for part of the game ?

Both Gawn AND Grundy on the ground at the same time, Max playing a kick behind the play with Grundy rucking.

Max to take the Centre bounces.

IMO Gawn has played some of his best football in this role.

Goodwin has wanted this since pruess, Jackson, Grundy.

gawn still ruck but agree gawn to occupy more back half and Grundy forward half. 

1 hour ago, drdrake said:

It is the same problem we have had for many years, we can't kick.  We play a game style that suits our players skill level.  Put the ball long to a contest get numbers to the contest win the ball with numbers.

Issue is every team knows where we are kicking the footy, they are getting numbers to the contest.  We are predictable and unfortunately don't have enough players that can hit that low hard 30 to 35m kick to a dangerous lead or into the middle of the ground.

We kick to the same spots as data will show that's the percentage play. Chance to score but also the hardest spot to rebound quickly and we get repeat 50s.

The problem is everyone knows where it's going and it's always 3 defenders to 1. There's no seperation.  

Its just pure stubbornness to not change cause we won a premiership with that model. The problem with that is other teams improve post 2021. They also learn and set up against our predictability.

We need to evolve but we won't.

Is the tribunal suppose to be impartial? Jeff Gleeson feels like he is running AFL's agenda. 

Why have tribunal? Things get overturned by clerical errors. The blues player getting off cause he punched with a left hand rather than right. Wtf. 

4 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

And they need to come out - irrespective of outcome - to clarify the differences. Particularly Brayshaw which left Libba concussed. 

The Brayshaw Liberatore concussion v hunter rozee needs to explained. Roulette. 

On 5/20/2023 at 7:01 PM, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

Turner is too good for VFL consistently. We should promote him this week but not play him on someone he is 17 kilos lighter than like the Suns game. Laurie is moving toward a similar position and should be given opportunity during the year. Schache deserves a game ahead of Brown. Joel Smith was good but in spurts. Jordon had a Jordon game. Howes, Jefferson, Adams  and Sestan all shows signs but need another preseason or two to see where it takes them. Not convinced that Woewodin, D Smith or Moniz Wakefield can become good AFL players.  

Moniz Wakefield was someone who looked promising last year n hoped wouldve developed more than I thought. 

16 minutes ago, Watson11 said:

Is it just me or do others think Friday was an inept coaching performance.  I get all the commentary in this thread about having one less at a stoppage and relying on intercept, but wouldn’t you think that in Fridays conditions it was a night for territory.

But no, Goody stuck with -1 at stoppage and it was so frustrating.  We lost non centre clearances 30-20. It’s why i50s were 61-48 and that was the game (imagine the commentary on here if Ports 32 shots on goal ended up as 18 goals).

The problem is apparent in 2 stoppages in the last 4 minutes. In the first on our 50m arc, Port have a spare which I can live with But the ball goes down the other end, and Port have a stoppage on their 50m arc, shown. We had even numbers and put someone goal side which makes sense.  But we leave Port with a spare on the other side. Max can’t safely tap goal side so all night he tapped forward or more often straight to Ports spare.  It’s just insanity. They had several shots on goal or goal assists from these types of stoppages.  It make no sense why Goody would not push an extra to the stoppage like Port do, as Gawns tap is never going back toward goal so we are effectively outnumbered every time. 

This happened all night and imo cost us the game. We need to beat Collingwood this year who will be +2 at stoppages.

 

 

It feels like when we won it, we wanted it to be the perfect pure clearance into fwd 50. It was wet and we fumbled and it got turned around as port went for territory.  

9 hours ago, Kent said:

Exactly what we did last year This coaching group dont seem to learn

YOU CANNOT GO THROUGH THE WHOLE SEASON WITH YOUR MIDFIELD PLAYING EVERY GAME 

THEY NEED TO REST

Petracca and Clayton Oliver have played less midfield this year than last year and 2021. There's a considerable effort this year to run more numbers through the midfield and  we are getting mixed results. 

So which do you want?

Seems like people are complaining we don't have 4 or 5 petraccas and Olivers. 

Tank for Harley Reid activated

Fox have a stupid segment called "ear massages" where they have dozen of examples every week. 

Chol was unreasonable with possibility to cause serious damage yet not cited. 

They pick and choose. 

2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

If you stack up round 20, round 21, and round 22 2021 with the same three rounds in 2022, I reckon our form stacks up. And both round 19s we lost to the Dogs.

Round 20 2021 - A walk in the park 96 point win against a Gold Coast Suns who had clocked off for the year and had a last second venue switch from Metricon to Marvel put on them (as for us too but we had plenty to play for)

Round 20 2022 - Arguably our best win of the year against Fremantle in hostile territory. A road win over a top 4/5 side is a brilliant effort.

Round 21 2021 - A fall over the line win against a West Coast that fell off the cliff after round 16. Played 1 really good quarter that night.

Round 21 2022 - Led for at least 90% of the night against a red hot Collingwood that had an unsustainable level of accuracy. The major disappointment that night was that we had no answers to their pressure in the last 5 minutes.

Round 22 2021 - A win over a bottom 4 Adelaide, but one must remember that they got within a goal mid way through the third quarter before Fritta went off and we won by 40 odd points.

Round 22 2022 - A thrilling win over a desperate Carlton side showing excellent composure.

The point is we've played 3 finals like intensity games for a 2-1 record compared to a 3-0 record last year but with games with extremely low intensity with little to no crowds. You could argue that each round this year has been better than last year corresponding rounds.

Lastly, one also needs to recall that we were pathetic for a portion of the round 23 Geelong game last year.

 

 

 

 

Agree. Form for both years aren't that far off. Difference is last year was bottom 6 teams whilst this year, top 6 finalist playing out of their skins. 

The intensity late this year could burn out the players, sure but look at it this way lads. 

We need 16 more good quarters this year.

Go flat out as you will have a week off before finals. A week off before prelim.

It's go time.

1 hour ago, Sydee said:

Joel Smith would still be my choice from those 3 - physically capable of having an impact against an opposition that is battle hardened.

Goodwin will want to look at jsmith. He misses Tmacs versatility.

Do a job forward but if one of the big 3 goes down mid game, shift Smith back and bring on a runner. We will always have a runner as sub. 

In most of our losses, we lost the big 3 at key stages n exploited. 

We won games from defence last year. 

We looked safe even under pressure. Now may, Petty, lever fumble, drop marks.

Salem looking for form. 

Sure opposition are devising plans but our defenders are out of form.

We've lost our A1. 

On 7/20/2022 at 10:06 PM, monoccular said:

Cats always make finals given their quaintly shaped home ground where very few opposition fans can attend. 
But what is their record at the G this year? Or any year and at any normal shaped and sized ground for that matter

Cats also playing north, Weagles twice this year. 4 percentage boosters. 

They also play 3 other teams outside the 8, port, saints and bullies twice. 

Cats are home and away specialists. 

On 6/24/2022 at 4:28 AM, BDA said:

Bedford deserves a run of games. 2 very well taken goals, applied pressure and linked well with kossie a few times. 

no changes for me

We essentially went small with mbrown n gawn out for weid and Bedford.

Unless the weid can show something to be that tmac role, That looks to be the mix now. When gawn gets back. Gawn in. Weid out.

BBB as the sole tall forward and gawn/Jackson rotate as the second and a fleet of small forwards. 

5 hours ago, Nairobi_Demon said:

Any others think we applied a different strategy to how we paced ourselves over the four quarters?

In our previous three matches, it seemed that our strategy was to go hard at the beginning, get a decent lead and then just hold it as the loading fatigue hit us in the last third. This hasn’t worked, partly because our defence has been disrupted making it difficult to hold our lead.

Today it seems that we started slowly, conserving ourselves a little, and then turned it on the second quarter. Clearly we weren’t as exhausted as previous weeks, but perhaps this also helped us converse what energy we had. 

 

Interesting, Maybe some analysis is needed to this. 

Last year, our defensive structure was strong 1st half, conserved energy before running over teams in the 2nd half,esp last quarters. 

That was our DNA last year. Going hard 4 quarters isn't possible in a 23 games. We only need to do this for 3 games guys. 

1. Backline consistency.

Last 3 weeks, when Petty went off for 20mins all 3 games, we fell in a massive hole. Lever has been terrible and fumbly. 

May, Petty and Lever need to string games together and they must find a way when one of the 3 goes down mid game. 

2. Forward connection. 

A lot of talk about pressure rating but if opposition keeps taking intercept marks, you can't pressure.

3. Fumbling + Goalkicking.

Fumbling causes shallow kicks or been tackled. So much fumbling yesterday.

A lot of been made of sparrow, Anb, Spargo etc. Nah they aren't the problem. They are role players.

Our stars set the tone n playing unders.

Petracca not himself.

No may. His fault.

Lever. Playing awful. 

Salem. Underdone. 

Langdon. Playing hurt.

Good week to reset. 

Just now, BDA said:

Out: Melks, May, Weid

In: Harmes, Tomlinson, TMac

BB having no influence but i say give him another game to see how he goes

Melksham Langdon 

May Tomlinson 

Weid McDonald 

Dunstan harmes

9 hours ago, WERRIDEE said:

I can see Andrew going in between 15 and 20 not top 10 like the experts think but we will wait and see. The Academies are a complete farce.

The likes of Brodie grundy, Tim English, Coleman jones went pick 18ish and were already more accomplished than Andrew at their age. Ayce Cordy Was a bean pole and v good under 18, went pick 18ish as well. 

I think the kid gets through. First pick who won't do anything for 2-3 years. That's a high price for that investment. Most clubs let others do the work and try to trade.