Dr John Dee

Not much. He was once shopping around a list of 17000 scientists supposedly opposed to global warming. Good thing it turned out to be bogus or, in another fit of glazomania, ProDee might have copied it to this thread to clog up the works completely. Although in truth Bast has never done anything scientifically. He couldn't even manage to get an economics degree.

Although facetiousness will only carry you so far since one of the signatories to the declaration is that good ol' boy, Roy Spencer. Spencer (who's also an evolution denier) has his dessert spoon well and truly in the climate research pudding, so any humbug he's a party to about wasted money is exactly that: humbug. And Spencer isn't just another name in the sclerotic pantheon of climate deniers, he's central to it. It's his dodgy figures from satellite data, after all, that produce the anomalous atmospheric warming figures that the denialist throng rely for all those dumb claims that amplify in their ridiculousness as they pass from hand to mouth and end up in Jo Nova's blog. Spencer is also on the record as claiming that he disputes global warming and its projected outcomes because these are contrary to his god's plan. And you want to make insinuations about credulity. As for all these Christians with their heartfelt (heartlandfelt) concern for the poor, if this isn't just pharisaical, which no doubt it is, we can only wonder why it seems to be climate change that's their singular concern when there are so many other potential sources for the alleviation of poverty. They can't really be stupid enough to believe in those madcap claims about trillions of dollars, surely? Then again ...

I doubt it, but these clowns probably do: http://www.cornwallalliance.org/2009/05/01/signers-of-an-evangelical-declaration-on-global-warming/ (the silly declaration itself is at http://www.cornwallalliance.org/2009/05/01/evangelical-declaration-on-global-warming/)

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Me too. And Ian Hunter. I still have at least one Hoople album and several of Hunter's on the shelves somewhere but since I tend to prefer listening to music rather than scratches and pops and clicks I haven't played them in years. It doesn't seem to change how good they were in memory though.

The WADA code also includes the expectation that sanctions will be applied against teams where individuals (2 or more) are caught out. The fact that nobody seems to be pursuing this at the moment doesn't make the code itself inadequate.

And I've just read that Dale Griffin (drummer from Mott the Hoople) died a couple of days ago. Not quite so famous, but 'All the Young Dudes' (written for them by Bowie) was a minor anthem in its day. 67 and Alzheimers, FFS.

And with Alan Rickman gone, it's been a bad week or so for fame.

I guess I have to admire your relentless and apparently endless enthusiasm for finding ways to make yourself look like a fool. But maybe you don't really need to try all that hard since the inability to distinguish between when something is an attempt at wit and when it isn't is a pretty good sign of the truly witless.

Really, BBO nobody here marries his (or, in these enlightened times, her) sister anymore given all the advantages of de facto relationships. This thread looks like it has degenerated into a kind of silliness that is better suited to that other thread for polymaths and polyglots and polyamorists. Martin's case is, as the title says, concluded.

You are referring, I assume, to the unfortunate experience with Mr Edward Kelly, the curmudgeon into whose hands I place both my trust and my wife. I prefer not to talk about it now; although she does, sighing and going on endlessly about what she calls his 'powers'. Perhaps you may be able to offer some assistance with a cure or, if not, at least a means of distraction given your recently advertised virtuosities in the workings of the marriage bed.

Seconded, Mr Old. Tout le monde should raise a banana smoothie to the happy couple today.

I do have some reputation for conjuring up spirits, I must admit, but this is the first time some damn'd ghost has tried to conjure me.

I can't recall writing that, Uncle Bitters. We charlatans and mountebanks lead busy lives and usually rely on remembering all the lies facts we disclose. I must be slipping. Does the intention to cancel your visit (I would have hoped merely for a postponement) mean that I should return the manacles and associated accoutrements to the local boutique de plaisir?

So you've given up polishing the cat, Mr Old?

It'd be nice if it was a cannonisation but I suspect it'll only be a canonisation.

No you're not, you're just finding another excuse for a slanging match. I'd listen to what Dante said if I were you.

Yeah, sorry. How about 'supposed responsibilities'?

Damn right, CBD. And besides, Article 11.2 of the WADA Code says: 'If more than two members of a team in a Team Sport are found to have committed an anti-doping violation during an Event Period, the ruling body of the Event shall impose an appropriate sanction on the team (e.g. loss of points, Disqualification from a Competition or Event, or other sanction) in addition to any Consequences imposed upon the individual Athletes committing the anti-doping rule violation.' I presume that the penalties already imposed on EFC by the AFL can't be construed as a response to this requirement since the players have only now been officially found to have committed the violations (the fines etc were also penalties imposed before the completion of the ASADA investigation and, in any case, were for 'bringing the game into disrepute' not for doping). What's happened to the AFL's responsibilities under the WADA code?

Can this thread please return to talking about Melksham rather than about each other? If not, dazzle's prediction will come to pass pretty soon.

Yep. And that's how CAS read the situation.

Not wit, charm and intelligence, obviously. Must be looks.

CAS put a fair bit of stress on the efforts made to keep Reid in the dark about the programme. Whether Reid managed to find out anything or not seems to have been secondary to painting a picture about secrecy and about the deceptions the players were party to. There's a lot of talk already (in fact, there has been for a long time) about the players suing the club. But I'd be interested to know what the legal minds on Demonland think of the chances of success, given the extent to which the CAS findings implicate the players in maintaining secrecy, not checking substances etc. This is a step well beyond signing consent forms. Added: this emphasis by CAS on the players themselves is also an obvious case against the 'not suitable for teams' line now being run since it places responsibility and consequences firmly in the hands of individual players.

He also says that there were four judges hearing the case and the decision was split 2-2. He's a journalist?

A couple of cyborgs. It makes sense.