Arsene Wenger

Let's get real! We said this about Bailey! We've showed patience and belief - but the players haven't delivered, nor has the coaching.

I'd be happy to see this change but don't see this happening this season, nor the next we're just not up with the game!

The club doesn't live up to it's image - just ain't HOT

You still don't understand the patience required then.

For all those that didn't hear this, what exactly did he offer to do?

Nothing.

It's a campaign to deteriorate the image of the MFC under the premise of some sort of ambiguous charity.

Yes.

Shaved head beard Ink all over the arms... These things have been frowned upon at Melbourne generally, for decades. getting a bit better lately, but we still look for the Choir boys way too much.

We need to go after more hard headed types, like these untamed Stallions of the AFL...

Stop going after the mortonesque, The Bennell types.

Absolute unadulterated rubbish.

All of it.

I agree with this, Of Leaders passing o the Mantle.

We have had a terminal lack of leaders over the decades since really the Smith days, pardon for some in the 80's -90's,,, but not enough, & not enough of raising the mantle handed over, to lift that standard.

We as a club sometimes seem to lose the important things in things like appearance, or dress codes....

Could you imagine this bloke lasting with us >

That's a misguided perception, not a reality.

This prob needs a separate thread but was thinking bout how we need to change the list for next year and obviously we need to wait till more of the season as elapsed, but for mine, we need to make at least 9-10 list changes

In - Viney, compo picks x 2 ( should be outside/inside mids - would love Lachy Whitfield but we would need to finish last , possibly jimmy toumpas from SA, Nick Vlastuin from northern nights or even Jonathan O'Rourke from the Calder Cannons) , 2nd round draft pick - small forward quick and loves to tackle (maybe a shannon taylor type from WA) , 3rd round pick , 4th round pick , 1-2 smart trades to fill a need , 2 new rookies to replace Evans and Lawrence perhaps ?

Out : Macdonald , Green ( he is past it !) , davey , Dunn , Bennell , maybe jetta , Evans , Lawrence and I would possibly would trade 2 of either moloney, jamar and Rivers

What does everyone think , it may result in some more pain but we need to have a semi rebuild !

If there was ever a good time to do it, it's now.

I think it's a must that we use 2nd and 3rd round picks.

My delisting would be from Dunn, Macdonald, Green, Jetta, Davey, Bate, Bartram.

Jamar to GWS if he wants.

Trade Moloney &/or Sylvia.

I say development and impatience.

I don't think there's anything wrong with the choices we've made, but they haven't been developed well, and in the main supporter's expectations have been unrealistic about how long it should take for this development.

There's nothing that makes our choices inferior to others, bar the usual later choices that turn into guns from nowhere.

Longmire discussed in the papers how the image of Fyfe in a swans jumper haunts him, since they planned to select him with their next pick after Rohan and Jetta.

They were sure he'd still be there, but the Dockers snatched him at 20.

The Swans ended up using their next pick on Sam Reid at 38.

There have also been articles where Mark Harvey has expressed absolute shock at how quickly and how well Fyfe had come on.

So, as much as "we should have picked him", no one else seemed to know he'd be such a gun, even those teams that clearly rated him.

Also a question has to be asked about what we are trying to achieve with our choices?

Wins now? or a premiership team in a couple of years?

I know these 2 things aren't mutually exclusive, but they're not mutually inclusive either.

Anyway, I've been surprised by some of the insight from Cameron Mooney at times when on the radio, and this morning I heard him discussing Melbourne's list briefly.

He said from playing against us for the last few years, his opinion is that we have kids who clearly have talent, but either they haven't been developed well, or they've been developed in the wrong way, and told to focus on the wrong things.

Neeld will rectify this, but it will take time.

Not a crazy idea, his job at the cattery is complete and this would be a massive challenge, which IMO may appeal to him

Read the recent Herald Sun article on Cook -- he only left West Coast because it all started to go sour and he would never leave Geelong.

Still a one-trick-pony though.

Benno I don't want his help either but if he helps galvanize support from the footy fraternity then so be it.

That's rubbish.

Neither he nor any other club will do anything to help us.

It's all PR bull$#@t and because Eddie felt his name hadn't been mentioned for a while.

Too short notice - the players are already over there.

I know some people will find offense purely because his name is mentioned, but I just thought this was funny to see in the INs and OUTs on the Herald Sun website:

Surely GWS would be the ones providing the details of where their new recruits are from?

It's like they're trying to deny his very existence on the MFC list for 2 years (like some of our supporters).

My guess is that Scully himself feels ashamed by the nature of his departure and is too immature to face it.

Anyway, that is all.

People are missing the point (as usual!).

The thread is not having a crack at Gysberts. I hope he turns out to be a good player. But I think Talia will be a very good player in a position (CHB/FB) far more difficult to fill.

Again just IMO. No need to twist knickers over it.

Even though we've already filled those positions, but are desperate for quality midfielders............

Also interesting to hear Schwab say in the presser that until a significant amount was paid very recently, Energy Watch was causing concern for being behind in its sponsorship payments.

Possibly better to make a stand, move on and find another sponsor at this time rather than wait for the company for fall over later.

I should probably read the post I'm replying to first before posting.

Why would he want to go there and play with a skunk like Voldemort?

Why would a bloke like James McDonald?

MONEY.

A bloke in the twilight of his career is thinking about retirement and putting together a decent superannuation fund.

Dreaming. Schwab cannot get one on the front of the jumper, and you think he might have three lining up??? The last three major sponsors have landed in our lap in spite of the current administration, and for various reasons none of them are still here. I know some people try and be glass half full, but this is ridiculous

Almost as painful as your bleak viewpoint that you keep ramming down everyone's throats..?

When is the last time The Melbourne Football Club was the main story on the Nightly news, for how many days has it been now.

It's been 3 weeks or more.

Interesting to see Victory's response:

http://www.footballa...ergyWatch/46720

It's their offseason though, so they can afford to sit in the shadows and consider their options.

It's because we have talent on our list, we just never develop it properly. The other reason we get targeted is because we're a weak club both on and off the field. We're an easy target. Who would want to play with us when they get offered more money and a better culture elsewhere?

I think it's this attitude perpetuated by "supporters" that is really the weakest of all.

So many have a pessimistic defeatist attitude.

It makes me sick.

Have some %ing backbone.

I like the sentiment, but I think it robs the club of an opportunity to get sponsorship money on top of supporter donations.

Had to happen.

Exactly my thinking.

We don't want to be rebuilding forever, but I think we have at least the raw tools in all positions bar the midfield now.

Jamar has been good the last few years, but our younger rucks have shown the capability to step into the fold, while Russian just gets older.

We may see an exodus of Jamar and Moloney, but I'd only see that as possibly a good thing.

Load up in this draft of all drafts, then develop, develop, develop.

It's going to take longer than we want, and we were promised back in 07, but there's nothing we can do about that now.

And this article backs it up:

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/premierships-now-a-long-time-coming-20120403-1wavs.html

I think losing Jamar would be in our best interests, as distasteful as it is.

Benny-boy, for me it is all about getting a good midfielder. Just one. We have the structure but no heart. We need a heart. We have the supporting cast; we need a star. If Jamar goes and we can get another decent pick and another potential mid, well, that is fine. We have martin & clark; spencer and fitzpatrick are developing...oh and gawn, who I think shows a bit to go on with. I'd trade almost anyone for one very good mid.

Exactly my thinking.

We don't want to be rebuilding forever, but I think we have at least the raw tools in all positions bar the midfield now.

Jamar has been good the last few years, but our younger rucks have shown the capability to step into the fold, while Russian just gets older.

We may see an exodus of Jamar and Moloney, but I'd only see that as possibly a good thing.

Load up in this draft of all drafts, then develop, develop, develop.

It's going to take longer than we want, and we were promised back in 07, but there's nothing we can do about that now.

I may be wrong but I beleive that Mifsud is a Maltese name, not a middle eastern one as one may suspect at first hearing.

Still, when it comes to AFL HQ, the conspiracy theory is always a good starting point. More often right than wrong.

He is part Maltese, part indigenous.