Demonsterative

Rhino Dawes worked best next to Cloke with a Forward//Ruckman playing a role next to him. Brown played that role. Dawes had very good seasons in 2010 and 2011. This is considering he was inexperienced during those years too! Buckley tried to turn Dawes into a second ruck man and forward despite him having little to no experience in the ruck. Was it bad play by Dawes? Or bad coaching from FIGJam. No need to answer as I have no respect for your opinion as you only rear you head when there is drama. I'm not interested in your drama or insults!!! On Lynch, he has had much less impact at the pies than he had at WC. I'm very confident Buckley was hoping he could emulate his output at Collingwood as he did WC. Fail IMO. Dawes circa 2010 and 2011 ( forget 2012 as he was badly coached) was a better player Dawes has had a poor 2013, but he has struggled with injury. IMO (agree or not I do not care) Dawes playing next to Clake and Hogan is a much greater force that being the lone KF. Dawes understands the forward line and structure very well and will sacrifice goals by leading his opponent away from the play as he did for Cloke. In regards to Buckley. He has taken a premiership team To a top 4 side then to an 8th placed team this year. Brown and Tarrant are two players who have left the Pies, I can't think of others that have left of any significance. Dawes is another absentee for a side that focuses on team structure. Another reason Lynch has failed as he hasn't contributed to the structure well enough. No matter how you look at it, replacing Malthouse when he has taken a team to the summit, for a coach who had little experience (Malthouse did not have Buckley as senior assistant due to personality clashes, and Mick gave him the bull crap role as opposition analasist) was wrong. Hyperbole. Not really, could not even be bothered with getting over emotional with a club I do not like. Just an opinion. I like that Buckley has taken the Pies backward. To your credit Rhino, since your Mod power has been taken away from you, you behaviour has improved a lot. No more bullying behaviours. I'm liking you more as a result. I

On another issues Master, I was nt talking about trades for Dawes and Lynch, I was talking about list management and list direction. The brat pack included Swan being suspended by the club for drinking and was banned by the club. Butterford or Buttifant is seen as a leader in sports science. Geoff Walsh is another power brocker who left. The smoke is blinding IMO If a club tries harder to win a premiership as the coach is leaving, there in itself is a problem. Every player plays to win a premiership. Even minnows like the MFC. Every club has injuries and the good clubs can work beyond this. The difference to the Pies brining in youth is they can be given a role as their core stars (and here are many) can take up the slack. At the MFC the youth are expected to play roles that are beyond them. Collingwood has very good depth. Players like Williams excel as they have Pendles, Swan, Beam, Ball ect allowing him to play with confidence and freedom. The CFC are under performing and are dis integrating under FIGJAM

All very good points Master, but I differ as I see Buckley and Mc Chins as being the core of a big problem at the club atm.The hand over to Bucks was made purely from a romantic point of view. It was obvious that Malthouse was building a dynasty and had the cattle to have a successful team for at least a 5 year period. bucks has taken over and from a potential point of view he has taken the club backward. The results don't lie. How can a midfield of Swan, Pendles, Beams, Ball,, Johnson, Blair, Ball, Thomas, Sidebottm and Sinclair not dominate all clubs. Add McCaffer and Goldsack as very good taggers How can a forward line of Cloke, Fasola, Krackouer, Elliot, Dawes (if kept as a forward only not a ruck/forward), Lynch (failure) not win games against top teams considering the midfielders rotating thru and delivering the ball to them The back line had Brown, Ried, Maxwell (I don't rate tho), Shaw, Toovey and O Brien to compliment the midfield and stop top forwards. The CFC have the goods but are coached badly. Yet media love how Bucks presents in interviews. His coaching tho ain't the best in the league and a great list is suffering. When a club looses the best fitness guy in the comp, a top football administrator, makes poor list managent decisions, and is moving south in the ladder, there is a problem. I see Bucks central to the issues. There is smoke with key figures leaving a club. And I'm predicting a fire is burning

I do not understand how the media ignore the issues the CFC are experiencing since Buckley has taken over. How can a club win a premiership in 2010 with a very young list of stars under Malthouse, followed by a grand final the following year. In the Bucley years Collingwood fell into 4th place with twice as Many loses from the previous year, and ended up 8th this year. Buttifant has left, Geoff Walsh has left, they got rid of Dawes for Lynch which is a massive failure. Dawes may have had a poor year himself but injury has been his issue. Jolly didn't get along with Bucks (apparently). But the biggest issue under bucks is the lack of forward and defensive run through the midfield. The Brat Pack are not conforming under Bucks as they did Malthouse. After 2010, the Pies should have had a dynasty era as their list was full of class and younger players than their rivals such as Hwathorn and Geelong. Mc Chins wanted to romanticise with a club champion taking over the coaching role and its cost the club at least one premiership. Bucks has been a failure.

You didn't take me seriously. Surely not!!!

Tammie has just arrived on the Bluey red carpet, but she is going stag tonite. Experts are commentating how this does not look good for Roos coaching the club in 2014. Bookies now have Roos at $1:02 for the job and Roos is now 49/50% chance.

What James Bond 007 is the new Lions coach? That's a coup!!

I heard our new sponsor is the AFL to the tune of 2.7 mill. A one year deal.

Why not keep Craig for his contracted year and find a him a role. He is a quality person. I don't see why the club would waste 400k by paying out his contract (if he doesn't get the Lions job).

If Eade was not interested in the job, why interview? It's more than likely his turn around is a result of being told he is no longer in the running. I think Choco is a better option!

Time to log off RM,

I'm questioning why the club has yet to make an announcement. He has had scans, the results should be up on the web site!!!

I wouldn't confuse agree with 'like'. Time to wake up now.

The club needs to suit up suitable candidates for Jack. He needs to have 5 boys in a hurry. More F/S in 18 yrs just like Jack and Todd. C'mon Demons build a dynasty

Just shows how passionate our supporters are. With or without money. Congrats to those foundation heroes. They are true heroes of the MFC

100 pages. So it's official then. Welcome Roos to the MFC

I'm not sure it should have been Clisby's decision to make in the first pace. The club decides to fight yet the club is over turned by a rookie listed payer. Hmmm

I'm not saying Essendon is a club to support if the MFC falls over, but the fight they are currently taking to the AFL is admirable. I'm not suggesting they are in the right in any way either. But they are what MFC isn't in many ways. Most importantly the fight they are prepared face. It seems both on and off field

Is this panic a result of Voss been sacked? I think back to how the club rushed its appt of Neeld thinking Adelaide were on the prowl. Time to relax and get the right senior coach and assistants right. If Roos decides to coach the Lions, we are better off with another coach.

This thread has a very sad 12 months ahead. Not one LTTM with a Demon win.

That would be gold. Even better, midfield coach. Lol

I get the point sue, not sure i like it. Things are bad when the club are preparing for Casey. But finals football would be good for Clisby.

Geez things are bad! We must be the first AFL club that is putting its VFL affiliate position above its own.

Because the Lions want to see real development. Voss has not shown he has the goods as a coach.

Where does it say Roos is likely to get the nod?