Grimes Times

So please tell me how many should be in the front office. You wouldn't have an idea.

He was told at the start of last preseason to lose 5-6 kg so he could cover the ground better. He wasn't happy with that. By the sounds of it he didn't change.

This say it all, and your blaming the coach?? Mybe you and beamer need to look in the mirror and have a think about why he was overlooked for 2 guys who had played 30 games.

Why would either Adel or Port give up a draft pick for him when he might end up in jail. He'll walk to the draft where no other club will touch him and ether Adel or port will take him with a late pick or even in the rookie draft. Melb will end up with nothing!!!

Whitten oval, greatest last round in VFL history I was only 11 and wasnt there but remember listening to it all unfold on the radio. Was there at the finals the next few weeks and they are still some of my greatest/worst MFC memories to this day. Note the crowd figures. Melb/Foot greater crowd than Coll/Ess???? Home team Home team score Away team Away team score Venue Crowd Date Richmond 17.11 (113) Brisbane Bears 26.13 (169) MCG 12,079 28 August 1987 Geelong 17.21 (123) Hawthorn 19.12 (126) Kardinia Park (Stadium) 26,888 29 August 1987 Footscray 10.8 (68) Melbourne 12.11 (83) Western Oval 31,249 29 August 1987 Fitzroy 20.13 (133) Sydney 20.21 (141) Princes Park 11,636 29 August 1987 Carlton 20.9 (129) North Melbourne 19.11 (125) VFL Park 30,444 29 August 1987 West Coast 26.19 (175) St Kilda 13.9 (87) Subiaco Oval 17,617 30 August 1987 Collingwood 23.6 (144) Essendon 21.13 (139) MCG 28,887 30 August 1987 1987 VFL Ladder TEAM P W L D PF PA % PTS 1 Carlton (P) 22 18 4 0 2599 1883 138.02 72 2 Hawthorn 22 17 5 0 2781 1891 147.07 68 3 Sydney 22 15 7 0 2846 2197 129.54 60 4 North Melbourne 22 13 8 1 2402 2417 99.38 54 5 Melbourne 22 12 10 0 2189 2026 108.05 48 6 Geelong 22 11 10 1 2355 2348 100.30 46 7 Footscray 22 11 10 1 1959 2046 95.75 46 8 West Coast 22 11 11 0 2386 2438 97.87 44 9 Essendon 22 9 12 1 2075 2318 89.52 38 10 St Kilda 22 9 13 0 2150 2369 90.76 36 11 Fitzroy 22 8 14 0 2328 2544 91.51 32 12 Collingwood 22 7 15 0 1853 2425 76.41 28 13 Brisbane Bears 22 6 16 0 2113 2666 79.26 24 14 Richmond 22 5 17 0 2199 2667 82.45 20

Nothing for the head high hit on Jones in the first minute when he had his head over the ball???????

From Bigfooty http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/young-talent-time-a-2012-mock-draft.956131/page-12 HarbourMaster, Saturday at 2:02 PM "Jesse Hogan is a genuine freak. Outstanding again today. Hogan played in the ruck, at CHF, onball and as a full forward. He was exceptional in each position, just has a physical presence wherever he goes. In the ruck he was winning the knocks, did a lot of the ox work to create a path for his midget brigade and for a bloke carrying so much weight already, he just always keeps his feet. He absolutely draws the balls his way, he leads with purpose, tackles with purpose and flattens blokes who cross his line. He'd be ready to play next year if it were possible. Kicked an absolute belter running onto the loose ball inside fifty, weighed up his options, soccered off the ground and split the middle from the angle. He's also a very selfless players, despite his immense talent he is still very team orientated. Only area he'd need to work on is probably his set shot, lacks rhythm on approach. A little Judd like even."

Nothing like deleting half a sentence to make a point!!!

Fair enough

To put things into perspective, below is a comment on Melbourne’s draftees made by an opposition club recruiter after draft day each year. Going by this some good picks, some bad at the time, some wrong opinions at the time some correct. Some too early to tell. Pick 36. I was actually a fan of Taggert. I thought he would make a great rookie. Good size, good speed and a great kick. He just never worked hard enough. Some nice cameos at times throughout the year but I always wanted him to do more and he rarely did. 1/4 here and 1/4 there. I think Curran or Lockyer was a better pick for you guys. Pick 52. Big, big fan of Josh. I had him at 29. Kind of kid you would go to war with. Gives his all every minute of every game. Good pick at 52. Pick 54. Sellars Hasn't fired a shot since being drafted. Great kid but no intensity and needs a heart transplant. Not sure he has the attitude and/or desire to succeed in the AFL. Might be a late bloomer but couldn't get a kick in stampede in the SANFL in 2011. At the end of the 2010 season after Jai had played as a bottom age (17yr old) at the Falcons I would have signed him on the spot. He had a great year and I thought he might get picked up by the Gold Coast Suns. He got an invite to the 2010 Draft Camp but struggled to impress. This year he had more down than good. I had really high hopes he would dominate but instead he beat up on the weak teams and got pantsed by the better ones. His biggest problem was his complete lack of intensity. He marks well, kicks nicely off either foot and moves like an onballer but he often looks afraid of his shadow. At times I wanted to go out to the huddle and slap him around the face and tell him to grow some balls. He frustrated the hell out of me. As the season went on he seemed to get softer and softer. I saw 1 game where he kicked 5 goals and dominated a very weak Bendigo but the next week he had about 3 touches playing at CHF vs a top 4 team. So I guess that is why he fell so far. Unless he finds some anger he will get smashed in the VFL. 12. Cook - Ripper kid. Very polite and well spoken. Has a nice country feel to his manner. Ex AIS lad so he can play. Hampered with injuries most of last year and for some of this so since his AIS days he has been playing catchup. Lovely mark and nice kick. He has suffered from some migraines this year and it is thought that is because he gets very nervous before a game. The longer the season went the more I tended to drop off him simply because he was having any impact in games I thought he should have been dominating. He not ovferly intense and not overly aggressive. Bit like Jack Watts in that way. Can play and if he reaches his potential was worth 12 but I have a few question marks on his mental toughness. Howe - Never seen play. Davis - I like Troy. Thought he would have made a good late pick or rookie. Deceptively quick for his size. Great intensity and makes his opponent earn every possession. Kicks the ball well. Always runs hard and straight. Will need time but should be good. McDonald - I am so-so on Tom. Thought more of a rookie. Bit unco and ungainly at times and needs some think music when making decisions. Not overly footy smart and can often get were the ball isn't. Flashes in and out of games. I would have thought Litherland, Alex Johnson, Ledger, McInnes and Delaney were better options, who all came after him. Trengove and Scully are wonderful players. Easily the standouts from all concerned. My personal opinon is that Lucas is far more accomplished player than Gysberts and your guys should have taken him. He is quicker, more agile and has a far greater running capacity. Both are about the same height. Gysberts probably stronger overhead but Lucas is no slouch as a marking player. Gysberts is neat and tidy and I had him rated at 22 but he struggles defensively. Lucas is a gut runner with some zip whereas Gysberts tends to be 1 paced. Teams seem to let him get on his own abit and he can sneak forward to kick a goal. He is good in close tending to feed the ball out of congestion by hand. I just worry about his running ability to work back and forth at speed. Tapscott at 18 was a good get. I had him at 17. Brilliant kick. Strong hands. Needs to up his workrate to get his hands on it more often but if he gets it anywhere around 50 he is a good chance of kicking a goal. Like most kids needs to work on his defensive game. Strong body. Good pick at 18. Big Max was the pick of the ruckman so another good get. 208cm (?) is one big lad and he might still be growing. Up until he did his knee he was showing plenty. Very raw but he is competitive and plays with good vigor. Should be good in about 3 or 4 years. Fitzpatrick???????? Not a fan. He has very good speed and agility for his size but his foot skills are shocking and he is lazy. His marking is hit and miss. He is getting over Chronic Fatigue as a 15yr old but he has been playing on that for the past 3 years. I haven't spoke to him but my bosses went to Sth Africa with him as part of the AIS U18 tour a few years back and they said he was the biggest whinger and complainer they had every heard. They also said he is one of the most arrogant kids they have ever met. They wouldn't have drafted him with 100 picks. I think at pick #50 James Craig from SA or Josh Donaldson from WA would have been a better option Watts did very, very well at DC. Don't get me wrong he has some talent but he also currently plays alot like the basketballer he is. He's not a big fan of the physical contact he gets and will get at AFL. He will need 3 good pre-seasons before you start to see the best of him. He needs to quickly develop some real aggression in him to worry the better defenders. At the moment he is easily worried off the ball but obviously some size and strength will help that but he has to get angry on the bad men of the AFL will destroy him. Blease - 17 yr old. Very quick, lovely mover, likes to run and carry. Decent kick and gets some good distance. Can get down on himself if beaten. Needs alot of size and strength. He should light up the 'G' flying down the wing ala Robbie Flower. We had him at 15. Strauss- I love this kid. One of the best kicks in the TAC. Deceptively quick. Moves within himself but hard to tackle. Great balance and footy smarts. Should be a talented onballer or HBF who sets up play. Alot like Heath Scotland. We had him at 24. Bennell and Bail I have never seen play and I know nothing about them. Jetta is a small forward/goal sneak. Interested pick really. He's okay but not super quick for his height. I'm not sure he has enough speed and tricks for h is size. Might struggle at 1st. He was outside our 60 and not really under consideration. I was a fan of Frawley but not at 15. I had him at 34 and my boss at 24. I rated him but his kicking worried us both. He is okay when he has time to steady but in the AFL we were worried he wouldn't have that time. He can play short or tall with his pace. I would have taken Sellar and Mitch Brown before him as a tall. He has more pace but I think the other two would give more versatility. Pettard at 30. I'm not a fan of Pettard and had him at 44. My boss liked him and had him at 22. So going by his judgment and you have done well to get him at 30 I think he is slow and lacks penetration with his kicking. Our main concern was he fumbles alot under pressure. He has a few tickets on himself which should get knocked out fairly quickly. Garland at 46 was a good get. I was hoping he would make it through to us. I had him at 30 and the boss at 37. He a nice mover, lovely kick and footy smart. Once he puts on some size he will be exciting to watch. My only worry would be his commitment. He's a very introverted kid who had to be talked into playing for Tassie in the Under 18 Champs. Once he played he made plenty sit up and take notice. Weetra at 62 I know nothing about him. I have never seen him play but the SA recruiter was gob smacked when his name was called. He didn't rate him at all.

Just like we drafted a U18 AA CHF???

Wiping blood on opponents shorts

So you've never seen him play, thats OK he could be the next coming of Scarlett or be able to play as a tall mid fielder, he's same height as Scott Pendelbury but thats Ok you have never seen him play.

Have you seen Plowmen play????

A interesting article which suggest GWS could end up with pick 1 & 2!! http://www.insidefoo...om/feature.html

I agree. I want Ling to replace Royal next year.

Note sure if that's right. "Should Gold Coast bid, hypothetically, for Daniher, Essendon would then be asked if it wanted to match the bid with its next available pick. If the Bombers did that, the Suns would then be given the opportunity to bid for one of the other players. Those remaining would be offered to GWS, Melbourne and the rest of the clubs, in reverse ladder order."

Best kick left or right above 195cm in league

Thanks TD, I played at Diamond Creek in the DVFL for many years not that long ago.

Who in the DVFL did Bob and yourself play for ??

For god sake I'm sick of this Couch campaign. He hasnt played for 3 weeks. Give the kid a chance to string a few more good games together in the VFL before we start calling for him to be included.

How much experience did SOS have when he was appointed head recruiter for GWS and had 10 of the first 13 picks. He seems to have done alright.

So Jolly gets a bit of tuff love and he couldn't handle it so he took his tissue box and left. Not the sort of player I want at my club that doesn't put his head down and fight for his spot when things don't go his way. Sounds a bit familiar at the moment.

Agree it makes a huge difference as a young player if you step into a established side with a great senior core. Swap Geelong's young guns Duncan, Christensen, Menzel and put them into Melb team and see how they go. In the reverse put any one of Morton, Blease, Strause, Grimes, Gysberts, Tappy MacKenzie etc in the Geelong team and suddenly they are surrounded by experienced senior players like, Corey, Enright, Chapman, Selwood, Scarlet etc. It makes a huge difference. People claim that Geelong have have a great developed system as their players step straight into senior football and perform, I say its because they are stepping into a great team already. Its a lot easier to get a kick when you are winning instead of when you are spending all day chasing tail and watching the ball go over your head thru the bug sticks. You cant tell me Morton on a wing for Geelong wouldn't dominate. He could run forward of the ball all day and end up on the end of it kicking it to the leading forwards. People would be saying how good is he he's always on his own finding space. Its easy to find space out of defence when you know your teammates are going to win the ball 9 times out of 10.

Maybe he was put up by the club because of his name and the color of the jumper he was wearing. Just maybe???