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Stuie lets not derail the thread, I know both stories very well in regard to Garlett & Darling. Every case is different as you say and it is very much the case with these two. The press only knows a minute amount of what DG was up to

Oh they are so similar stories FFS Darling - Played up at school camp and got king hit Garlett - drug issues, history of trouble with Police, About the only similar characteristic they had was they both thought their ability would get them through

The way he finished 2015 and the improvement he showed all year Jack Viney for mine. The AFL industry as a group don't rate him as much more than C grader, think he will continue on the right path and become an elite AFL midfielder

Clark is a good kid and is smooth to watch, I just have some doubts about his absolute desire to run through brick walls, because he is going to need to develop that to make the best of the tools he has at his disposal.

Pick 3 for mine on Parish Pick 7: I think 1 of Curnow, Weideman or Francis will be available. Think the Bombers and Suns will take 1 of Millera, Oliver or Mathieson in their picks. SO whoever is left out of that lot and still not totally against Kerian Collins

We must take Clayton Oliver and how you wanted Ollie Wines Don't pass on another Ollie Oh how the past can come back and haunt you

Greg Clark was WA'S best along with Hinchcliffe through the U/18 championships but was hit by injury late in the season. Feared for a while it was a PCL but turned out not to serious. I actually spoke with him last week and he is not very confident of being picked up. He had a lot of interest early and my info from around the traps is only 2 clubs have shown a lot of interest in him. He is an interesting player has all the tools at his disposal and can be very smooth just not sure on his hardness

From other threads I see we may be having a look at Collins, just checked back on the U/18 National Champs thread and cut and pasted from my observations from the WA vs Vic Country match below. Have bolded some of the players who may come into consideration WA vs Vic Country Well sorry for the delay in getting this out but have between busy afternoon and computer problems only getting onto it now. Schache was outstanding from the very outset, loved his strength in contested marking situations and his awareness to lead hard when the opportunity arose, delivery to space from Matheson, Sympkin, Ainsworth, Holmes, Tucker left the defender with no chance. Schache showed some arrogance at times which I think is a good quality in a young forward. Ah Chee up forward for WA had limited opportunity but he is a gun and will be sought after due to his ability to turn a game from limited opportunities. Really liked teh defensive work of Collins who is a big boy and was surprisingly very clean below his knees and made good decisions by foot. WA had solid contributions from Jimmy Harrold and Hinchcliffe all day long but the WA boys lacked depth through the middle and it is no surprise their best period in the game came in the third when Pepper-Powell, Clark and Hinchcliffe were all winning the clearances with Goddard being the better ruckman on the ground as he was for the day. Some notes of interest First Quarter: Schache shows strength holding front position with a high floating ball delivered in quickly but not effectively, Schache positioned his body well enough to hold off defender and take a strong mark above his head. Unfortunately put the ball to the wrong side, although I do like his smooth kicking action 2 very solid pressure efforts inside forward 50m from Eades resulted in turnover and goal WA turnover ball forward of centre wing and ball ends up in hands of Sympkin who after short run sees strong lead from Schache who starts lead as soon as he sees turnover. Sympkins perfect pass lands on chest of Schache with defender trailing behind him Another WA turnover ends up in hands of Darcy Tucker who after quick 1-2 gathers with great run and delivers a long pass over defenders to top of square where Schache who is moving backwards and has presence of mind to use body to hold off full back and bring ball to ground for crumbing forward to goal. Not certain but think the goal was by Number 28 very brave effort by Harrold takes strong contested mark backing in at half back and takes off to deliver a quality 35/40m pass to chest of leading HF strong effort inside forward 50 by Sympkin, gathers loose ball with pace and makes early decision to kick a goal from 40m out on the boundary. Great skill, confidence and poise shown with this effort and approx 10 secs before it was Sympkins hard effort at half forward which caused the spillage when WA were breaking away from defence really strong tackle and turnover by Costigan was a great effort which was not backed up by a poor turnover when going into corridor with other available options on win Good mark by Vic forward Skinner with strong hands and body strength getting front position although IMO WA defender Mirco should have done better, tried to contest the mark from behind when the obvious option was to punch Hinchliffe shows coolness under pressure in heavy traffic inside defensive 50 before delivering a quality 35m pass to teammate to relieve pressure Tucker again runs off half back to wing and at pace delivers perfectly weighted and depth pass to leading Schache Hinchliffe again good in traffic with poise and hard run in own defensive 50 before clearing down the boundary to advantage of leading HF Best 1st quarter Vic Country - Schache, Sympkin, Tucker, Holmes WA - Hinchcliffe, Harrold, Goddard 2nd Quarter Goddard continues to get better of ruck and is also backing up with some good second efforts around the clearances Matheson and Holmes dominating from centre despite Goddard winning hitouts Harrold backs into contest and takes a quality mark in front of Schache in defensive 50m before giving off pass and continuing with run and providing outlet option Ah Chee takes a good mark at full forward uses smarts to leap early and get advantage over much taller opponent Watson shows a lot with several second efforts, backing into packs without questions Collins big half back who shows good clean hands below knees, on one occasion with WA breaking and wide open forward 50 behind him, Collins is decisive in trapping low delivery to leading forward forward before gathering and disposing with neat kick into corridor, Collins continues with momentum receives handball which he handballs to HFF resulting in inside 50 to contest at top of square. Schache again takes mark with strong lead early to lose defender into forward pocket, realises quickly better option and delivers pinpoint pass to team mate who goals Ridley and Clark getting involved and starting to deliver some good isnide 50's for WA but Vic defenders Collins and Wietering either marking or knocking to advantage Tucker and Matheison exceptional at ground level to clear and set up attacks Watson great second efforts after strong defensive spoil falls to Vic advantage, 2nd effort results in turnover and WA relieving pressure Hinchcliffe again brave floating across bigpack at halfback to take relieving mark Ainsworth outmarks taller opponent with good judgement and positioning sense Ainsworth busy and applying forward pressure gathers lose ball and delivers perfect pass to Schache who snaps goal Schache relieving on ball and maintaining role floating kick behind play, gathering possessions as link option in corridor, also delivers quality inside 50 to leading Ainsworth WA under pressure in defensive 50m Hinchcliffe runs hard to get to contest gathers ball before delivering inch perfect 50m pass to leading HF Best Vic - Schache, Ainsworth, Collins, Matheson WA - Hinchliffe, Harrold, Watson, Clark 3rd quarter WA gain some advantage through Goddards taps, Clark strong body and Shaw getting busy forward 50 entries cut off by Collins Harrold showing defnsive poise and dash, decision making is top level Ainsworth strong lead gathers before turning quality pass to leading Eades Schache leads well to Holmes who has run off HB and delivers pass which is a bit high, Aisnworth comes up as 3rd man and brings ball to ground, very good effort by small/mid size forward WA now having best period of game, Clark, Hinchcliffe strong through the middle with assistance from Pepper-Powell and Ridley who is getting involved again. Rotham standing up in defensive 50 and when pushing up ground to spoil at every opportunity Pepper-Powell very impressive decision making is sound, delivery by foot is good and he has a physical presence for a midfielder Petrovksi-Seton been quite most of the day but running hard trying to get himself into the game, impressive second and third efforts after shocking turnover by him inside defensive 50 turns the ball over, puts body on line to spoil forward pass follows up with bone jarring tackle and WA move ball to forward 50 at pace Sympkin goes hard in 3 on 1 to beat all opponents in forward pocket kicks % option to top of square Rotham spoils Petrovski-Seton shows one for the highlight reel, runs of back of square at centre bounce meets ball at speed which he gathers and delivers inside 50 from centre square at speed, after after some solid work by Jones WA lock ball in and Clark using big body at clearance goals Best Vic - Sympkin, Holmes, Schache, Ainsworth, Collins WA- Rotham, Pepper-Powell, Clark, Harrold 4th Quarter Ah Chee holds up well in strong tackle to get his kick off to goal Clark continues off from 3rd quarter with some good strong clearance work Collins continues to impress by beating direct opponent and also rolling off to spoil, however he chooses this option well also has a knack of backing team mate and rolling off to provide outlet option or gather loose ball, lot to like about this kid Pepper-Powell shows extra tools by resting across HFF and bringing ball to ground in a couple of contest Schache moves to behind ball and starts to show quality delivery and poise for such a big man, duel option down the track as forward or defender going to push him right to top of draft. Once sting is out of the game he goes back to forward 50 where he continues to dominate. His set shot is fluid and looks effortless Ah Chee ignores Pepper-Powell who is free in space around 40 m out and blazes away from 45m out close to boundary So basically a dominant display by Vic Country who just had far more contributors across the ground and overall had the much bigger bodies at the contest, better structures setting up from HB and through the corridor and with the smart powerful leading Schache they are a good strong side. For drafting Schache - Top 5 easily and on this effort Carlton/Suns/Saints will take him with Pick 1. not just a forward, but why wouldn't you play him there. Shows a lot of Hogan's hard working attitude and some swagger. Direct opponent was undersized but could not have asked for a better display from your key forward who imposed himslef on the game Collins - not as highly touted as Weitering but the best defender on the ground, showed great anticipation and decision making matched with good ball use and also provided options going forward. Tucker - not overly busy but everything he did he did well. His disposal was excellent as was his decision making. Good runner and will also be able to run on ball Ainsworth - size will go against him but very good by foot and a busy forward who shows enough to suggest he could rotate through the middle. A lot of Jack Lonie about this kid Holmes - rated him above Matheson over the 4 quarters because he was harder at it throughout and was busy when Vic Country got on top early. Not a big mid but has some good aggression and did not shirk any contests WA Clark - not exceptional but just makes the right decisions, I think he will go second round because he wont have one of those impressive highlight reels but may surprise recruiters, especially if he gets into a strong midfield Hinchliffe - not a big mid but brave and a very good user of the footy by hand and foot. Will go late or rookie but I like kids who stand up in a team under the pump and that is what he did Harrold - as above stood up for the entire game in a defence that was getting no let up. Showed plenty of poise in traffic and used the footy well Ah Chee - showed enough with his limited opportunities to why he is highly rated, like all quality small forwards makes the most of limited opportunities

and if they had not stuffed up in 2001 by taking Hodge over Judd, (which many thought for the first two seasons was a mistake). Hodge showed plenty of potential in his first couple of years but had injury worries and it was touted as a mistake. Judd would have had an immediate impact in what was a Preliminary finalist and they possibly would not have slid as quickly as they did, Hence they may not have been able to take Roughy and Buddy in 04

Saw him against WA in Championships and was impressed , think I mentioned him a bit in the write up. Was good at intercept marking and for a big guy was clean below his knees. Not sure he is a pick 7 unless we are looking tall and the rest as in Weideman, Francis & Curnow are gone

It is now Pick 3 & 7 which affords further evidence as I suspected this FD was never sitting on their hands As others have said Demonlanders need to realise this club is very different to the one from 2011-13

Highly unlikely they will all be fit at the same time but if they are we will fit them in the same way Sydney, Hawthorn, Meth Coast and Freo fit them in lots and lots of rotations Jones, Vince, Melksham, Kennedy, Trengove, Tyson, Kent, Viney, Salem, Brayshaw, Vandenberg and Petracca? Kennedy, Mcveigh, Mcglynn, Hannebery, Jetta, Parker, Mitchell, Heeney, Jack & Rampe Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis, Burgoyne Hill, Rioli, Roughead, Smith, Suckling, Hartung, Shiel Rosa, Priddis, Masten, Shuey, Gaff, Yeo, Ellis, Hutchings, Sheed, Mcginnity, Butler Fyfe, Mundy, Neil, Barlow, C.Pearce, D.Pearce, Walters, Crozier, Hill, Sheridan, Muzungai, Blakeney, De Boer and Suban

Good trade and makes a few of the usual "Sky is falling, Whoa is me" Demonlanders look very silly for going early as usual Said it many times in the last year or so, the fact our club no longer leaks doesn't mean we aren't doing things in the background Who knows trade period isn't over yet, but happy to recruit a few this year, the draft has been talked about as shallow after the first dozen so will trust the FD to get the picks right as they have done since taking over

On face value it looks like the Cats best 22 is very impressive Talls Hawkins, Clark, Taylor, Henderson, Bliczavs, Stanley, Lonegran, Zac Smith Smalls and runners Motlop, Caddy, Dangerfield. Selwood, Selwood, Murdoch, Guthrie, Duncan, Menzal, , Gregson, Young players who have shown a bit and could step up Thurlow, Cockatoo, Bews, Koladjashnji Bartel, Mackie & Enright all still very capable players unless they fall the other side of the cliff quickly Could cause a few problems with this side at full strength B: Bews Lonegran Enright HB:Henderson Taylor Mackie C:Bliczavs Caddy Koladjashnji HF:Bartel Hawkins Duncan F:Menzal Clark Motlop R:Stanley, J.Selwood, Dangerfield I/C: S.Selwood, Gregson, Murdoch, Cockatoo, If it works great for them but we have seen clubs go all out in the past like the Lions and Crows and things can go horribly wrong. Mackie, Lonegran, Enright and Bartel are almost at the end and if the end comes quickly as it does for some in one preseason that leaves some massive holes. Harry Taylor still has some years left but will need Henderson to stand up should Lonegran fall down. Mitch Clark well he will be lucky to put 10 games together but on the other side if he could manage an injury free run their trading would look fantastic. Joel Selwood is the biggest beneficiary from Dangerfield coming in and taking the number 1 tagger but Scott Selwood is no certainty to return to 2012 form his ankles are badly damaged and he really butchers the ball a hell of a lot. Like I said it looks great currently but they have taken a gamble and given up a lot. Journo's without having a deep look are talking them up already as the big climbers and a lock for top 8 possibly pushing for the flag. The journo's previously also talked up how Plugger heading back and joining up with Hall was going to make Sydney invincible, Carey to the Crows and Ryder to the Power were the missing pieces of the Premiership jigsaw and how good did the Lions look early with Fev and Brown up forward. Most teams will improve next year but with the Pies, Cats, Giants and Power expected to make big pushes next season not sure they are all going to fit in to the 8. IMO I think the Cats will show a lot early and a good start may allow them to manage their aging stars, but they are hardly over the line yet

St Kilda aren't blinking

Is JM unhappy because the club put a lot of work into the trade of Howe & Pick 6 to the Suns in return for Prestia, before Howe threw a spanner in the works with nominating the Pies Just a thought

Rosa was a great power runner up until this season, not overly quick and certainly does not have Vince's skill set. Been a great servant to Meth Coast but a no from me

So Macrae or Wines would have been 6?

Of all the young Hawks not getting a game he is the one I would target. Has some speed and likes the tough stuff. Ticks plenty of boxes for mine, I would expect we have made an approach

SHHHH don't let Ignition hear you bringing logic into the scenario

WTF who would have known Carton had 1st pick, it's usually decided on ladder position If you think the club hasn't made any inqs into Treloar you are affording further evidence to your naivety. Or were you expecting the club to send you a personal sms or email on exactly what they are doing behind the scenes Don't know where you have been for the last two trade periods but we no longer leak info

Really have you analysed their list or seen any of their young kids playing as they develop in the two's Vintage Ross Lyon because he's coached 1 other AFL side, bit like saying to the Crows why would you hire Malcolm Blight as a coach he clearly can't get his teams to win the big one after 3 GF appearances and defeats.

Are you really that naive Treloar has nominated Collingwood GWS are playing hard ball and want more than Collingwood are offering Carlton has 1st pick in the PSD A leak suggests Calron are offering more money Treloar's manager acting in his clients best interests says he is open to this GWS weigh up the 2 Treloar walks and they get nothing They take Collingwoods offer and get 2 picks FFS it isn't that hard to work out, how this is being played out,

Disagree was finally looking like he belonged in the lead up to the finals and IMO cemented his place in their best 22. Certainly put together a good run of games let alone 4 good quarters, Dimmer dropping him for the final certainly backfired