Little Richard

And your ability to reach for conclusions like that also amazes me. No, I don't think he is the main reason we won games this year. I do however believe we're a better side with him in it.

Stuie, I have to say I almost admire the way you cling onto a notion so desperately, no matter how many other opinions and how much evidence is weighed against you.

Hinkley has gone from hero to zero pretty damn quick. Seems as though he doesn't have anymore tools in his belt apart from creating the game plan that centred around Port's lightening quick ball movement, which got them close to a snatching a flag... and then everyone else caught up.

Through the middle and rotating on a wing perhaps? I get the need to put him down back but jeez, he dropped off a bit when that happened. Don't think he'll play more than 16/17 games though if they're careful with him.

The longer Richmond and Collingwood keep Hardwick and Buckley, the longer they'll languish. Give them both 10 year deals!

Two weeks ago we were the media's favourite team outside the 8. Changes quickly.

And if people want to classify it as 'second year blues', I've never seen second year blues as good as this.

It's definitely not 'acceptable' but with such a young, developing team (lacking in mature leadership) it's understandable as to why it could happen. I just hope we continue our rise next year to the point where this doesn't happen again. We're worlds apart from the 2010 situation. This side will continue to gain momentum.

Viney too. Congratulations Max, amazing achievement to do exactly what he wanted to do in his first full season - become the best ruckman in the competition. It's a testament to his will power and dedication to the club and his own goals. Here's hoping he'll take his game to yet another level in 2017.

This year pretty much met my expectations. Some strides forward, and some steps backward. The losses to Carlton and Geelong aren't that surprising and should almost be expected from such a young side. The thing that irks me the most is the fact that we were so close to having a season that exceeded everyone's expectations and making the finals. Those losses to Essendon and North Melbourne, and later, Carlton, just killed our chances (obviously). I have total faith though that our list is now full of guys who will take the positives from those losses, steel their resolve and go full tilt next year. They'll all be better for this season, and for the first time in years we have young players who haven't been blooded in an environment of enormous, morale shattering defeats, but rather a competitive, rising team. Go Dees.

I missed the presser billy, what was said and what was your take on it? Can't watch the footage at work unfortunately.

So essentially everyone was out of form when we played them Stu? Give our boys at least a little bit of credit, please.

A 21 year old centre half forward with 41 games and 85 goals under his belt is something special. If you can't understand that then go to bed.

Top response. If you can't see Hogan's ability beyond a few average performances then I don't think you've been watching the last two seasons.

From the moment he won the first couple of centre clearances, I knew we had no answer. Vince should have at least started on him in the middle.

Precisely, it's a joke.

Where is the farkkkking dropping the ball call against Bartel??

Can be good, but too inconsistent for me.

A fit Salem and Hunt on the wings makes me McAvaney-excited.

Get what we can for Dawesy and move on. Great bloke but clearly not in our plans for the future.

Potentially, yes. But I find nothing wakes me up in the morning better than a dose of sheer arrogance.

More time than usual? That can't be a good thing for Demonland, Ben.

It's possible the GC will be tempted by the success GWS have had with Johnson and grab Boomer.

Who makes these decisions? Delisting Boomer when he's still in good form and interested in playing on? Their list is too old but seriously...