deejammin'

It really didn’t take long for Gleeson and Christiansen to reveal themselves as a corrupt joke.
Greene, Butters, Cameron, under the standard applied to Kozzie should ALL have gotten at least a week. There was potential for serious injury in all three, all three involved head high contact, should be at least one week each, probably more, but they don’t play for Melbourne, case closed.

Christiansen and Gleeson have zero credibility. 
If this is the new rule and everyone who hits someone high, no matter impact will go for a week, fine. That’s a lot of suspensions though! 

The fact this was presided over by the guys who firstly refused to even grade Maynard over rough conduct and then the other who let him off make the whole thing a farce. 

We get worse treatment at the MRO than most clubs. Fact. The number of reports to suspensions is ridiculous, we don’t go that often but when we do we always get worse treatment and our players almost never get off unless we appeal twice. 
 

I feel for Kozzie, the contrast in media coverage between an incident in the play involving him and a bloke who judo chopped someone in the solar plexus and another who kicked someone is galling. Let alone Maynard. 
I’m done with this farce, I’m watching the game and reading Demonland and that’s it. The AFL and it’s media is a corrupt joke.

 

I’ve never been so confident. We are winning this. Call the AFL doctor, the Adelaide doctor, a concussion specialist, compare the impact to Fogarty.
Medium goes to light, Kozzie plays.

Then I’d be tempted to sue the Roar for defamation on Kozzies behalf, “dirtiest player” seemed pretty defamatory to me.
 

It’s time our club starts throwing some legal weight around, a main rumour for Maynard getting off was that Collingwood intended to challenge any ban in court. It’s time we start challenging the journos pedalling credibility less leaks and theories. Goody reportedly already threatened Kane with a defamation suit last year leading to an apology, time for more…

33 minutes ago, FireInTheBennelly said:

Appeal. First witness is the AFL doctor.

Question: why did you deem the head high contact so minimal as to allow the player to continue the game without any further assessment?

Game. Over.

Seriously, that’s brilliant! How can you possibly call something medium impact when the player wasn’t ever assessed or taken from the field? Especially when the AFL doctor seeing the vision thought it was minimal enough to not even bring him off.
That should be enough on its own.

But let’s get a biomechanics expert, compare the last ten other medium impact incidents to this one and send Kozzie to Soligo’s Mum’s place with some flowers just to be sure. 

Not sure if this hurts or helps us. 
On the one hand Brisbane are regrowing their confidence and will be able to rest some players if this continues to blow out in the second half. 
On the other hand it is difficult to change gears to a hard contest after an easy win..

How many years does the competition endure North like this for? They’ve got the champion experienced coach, the extra high draft picks, the father sons, and they are still a blight on the comp. 

22 minutes ago, Clintosaurus said:

Definitely fight the grading

Exactly. Find another example where medium impact caused no injury at all and the player played on. 

Tribunal. Have to. 

13 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Can’t take recent record into account at the tribunal 

The issue with the new rules are the potential to cause serious injury, how is that assessed?

Bump to the head - yes

Impact still low - but this new rule can elevate that to medium 

Potential to cause injury is the key, Kozzie’s momentum to try and smother the footy is not as high speed/intensity as Maynard’s which I consider reduces the potential to cause injury

 

There’s an excellent post on page four of this thread that has the picture of the fines for low impact offences and how they go up based on first, second, third offence. You can’t take previous actions into account when determining the sentence but the fines are determined by how many suspensions have happened recently. Sorry if I wasn’t clear in making that distinction.

3 minutes ago, Bigfoot said:

There is no way he escapes with a fine. He will get a week. It may be low impact but it's the lifting of the elbow for mine. No way he gets off. Was a silly thing for him to do. I like his toughness and hardness but that aspect of his game needs to go in the bin. We can't afford to have him missing for massive games like the one coming up.

The rules don’t have a ‘lifting of the elbow’ clause. It’s careless, high, low impact. That’s a fine. If they find a way to make it a week we will challenge and win. 

3 minutes ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Yes we’re in the same thought process 

In one of my earlier responses I mentioned Kozzy needing to say I did what I could to protect the opponent once I knew contact was imminent 

Tried to win the footy

Identified contact was imminent 

Protected myself and Soligo

No intent probably not careless 

High

Low Impact 

where does that fall on the scale 

Fine. Probably $6k because of Kozzie’s recent record.

I truly can’t believe those saying this is anything like the Maynard one. There are clearly some fans that have made up their minds on Kozzie and want him to pay due to their perceptions. The only thing they have in common is both tried to smother, otherwise. 
Compare the pair:

Maynard: front on, travelling towards kicker, misses the smother immediately then has more time to decide what to do. Lowers shoulder and turns, fist clenched, flexing for the hit square on the head with his shoulder. Impact is front on direct, so intense the player is knocked out cold, through a helmet, for two minutes. 
 

Kozzie: jumps on the spot, ball goes past him much later into his jump, clumsily tucks in elbow, hand open and loose, not flexing for the hit, glances Soligo once he is beyond him with his upper arm. Impact is glancing to the side, Kozzie is beyond Soligo and Soligo runs into him. The impact is so light that Soligo gets up and plays on immediately, is not assessed, has no injury of any kind. 
 

This is a careless, high, low impact fine. Anything else we go to the tribunal and FWIW I think the club would LOVE that as it gives us a chance to point to the Maynard decision, why the rule was brought in and point out the clear difference in impact.

The media bias against us is so shameful, I’m not reading or listening anymore, they give air to absolute, credibility-less rubbish and whack our players any chance they get. Filth.

If this is anything other than careless, high, low impact, fine we should sue. 

Seriously, we lost a player FOREVER to a bump with ten times the impact, more intent and incredibly severe consequences, (it knocked a player out through a helmet for two minutes FFS!) for NO suspension! 
 

Also the media can get stuffed! Where’s the “football act” horseplop from last year?! Or the “love tap” bulltish from last week?! Maynard ends a guys career, “football act, can’t suspend for that”. Pendlebury tries some martial arts to the diaphragm “love tap”, Kozzie jumps on the spot to smother a handball and lightly brushed a guys cheek, “suspend him, coach discipline him he has issues!!”. [censored] this noise!

It was a free kick, but because the AFL needs to protect the head in the wake of the serious time it failed to protect the head six months ago it will be a fine, any more than that and the MFC should seriously consider legal action.

5 minutes ago, DubDee said:

How can the Hawks be losing when they have the Wizard??

More a children’s magician than a wizard I reckon. Cheap tricks with no real magic.

Just now, whatwhat say what said:

yeah, and the dog wasn't happy with my reaction to the non-free for koz either

Ditto. Scared the hell out of mine.

10 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

if our players didn't get free kicks when they're clearly clobbered high like ginnivan is i would be ropeable

i know there's this perception that he 'ducks' into the tackle...but he's knee high to a grasshopper and constantly gets taken high through no real fault of his own

One of our players does, his name is Kozzie Pickett, similarly to Ginnivan he got a rep for lifting the shoulder and ducking and since then I don’t remember the last time he got a too high free. There were at least two times this weekend he got clobbered high much worse than Ginnivan just did for no free. 

Ginnivan is a very average player. Tries the hard stuff too often, never does the simple stuff. Soft. Tragedy he got a medal last year. May was right.

Hawks can do the whole AFL and society in general a HUGE favour by winning the next two. Particularly next week…

1 hour ago, Demonland said:

That was the one. The camera did pan back to him at the next stoppage and he looked to be walking ok. I think he was off the ground for a little bit after that but they never did any follow up with the boundary riders to get an update.

It looked to me like he jarred his knee. Very frustrating they never followed up. But he seemed to run it out by the next contest and played out the game. If he did jar it he would be mighty sore today. Fingers crossed he gets up.

3 hours ago, DeeMee said:

Thinking the club might be grooming Hore as our regular sub unless injuries call for him to play. Offers a fair bit of flexibility.

I think it’s a role made for Melksham in the back half of the year. Can play forward, play in bursts on wing/on ball and even pinch hit on the HB line. He’s the kind of player that can break the game open with a dynamic last quarter. Coming back from a serious injury Sub might be made for Melksham.

Although if our luck with injury improves selection will get tough. No idea how we fit McAdam, Bowey, Hunter, Melksham, Woey, Spargo, Hore all in let alone Kolt, Verrall, Adams and Jefferson if they keep improving. Nice problem to have.

A lot of mentions of Fullarton in here. Perhaps as he was named as emergency but watching the Casey game on the weekend and also in the pre-season games Verrall is offering more up forward and in the ruck this year. If we’re pulling the trigger on resting a BBB (I’d be loathe to do it unless absolutely necessary as he’s a revelation this year!) or want backup for Max I’d bring Verrall in. Fullarton is ok, but he plays more as a rangy extra mid in the ruck and gets around the ground on a lead but doesn’t take congested marks up forward where Verrall is similarly athletic in the ruck and around the ground but offers more up forward and seems to have more of the Max Gawn school of ruck craft. 

On May, I understand the calls to rest him but if the issue is pain management not reoccurrence or worsening the injury as our club is saying then it might be better to take the risk this week. With Hore as the sub and the option of throwing Petty back if May can’t play the game out I give us a much better chance against an out of form Adelaide than Brisbane. Find May can’t play through the pain early against Brisbane and we’ll lose, against Adelaide we may still cobble a win. If he makes it through the game against Adelaide it’ll give him extra confidence against Brisbane, especially with the full week to prepare followed by the bye. I think it could be better to give Maysie the chance to see how he goes this week, and good luck stopping him if he thinks he’s ready!

Otherwise no changes, Billings plays a feast or famine game and the Port game didn’t suit him, but he still showed some quality and if he’d kicked through the ball in the last would’ve almost sealed the game. 
 

Unless there’s mystery injuries, like Chandlers two knees I’d be going:

In May

Out Woey, Hore to sub.

Saints have kept the Bombers in this game with poor goal kicking, annoying, I hate the Bombers. 
 

On the umps, what has happened to HTB this season? It’s always been hit and miss and they’ve always called far too few incorrect disposal for my liking but the absolute classic ‘take them on, get tackled, drop ball, HTB’ is just not getting paid this year. It’s a blight on the game, that’s the best bit of the rule!!

20 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Jefferson has not filled out much over the summer to my eyes. JVR in his second season bulked up and was pushing for selection by years end.

Will be interesting to see how Jefferson grows

Tholstrup is getting better each week. What position would he take at AFL level

JVR is in his third season, he was always bulky. He played seniors at the start of his second season after a fairly dominant first season in the VFL where he kicked a large number of goals in a premiership. He definitely grew his fitness base before the second season doing running in the off season with Knuckle and Woey but I don’t think bulk/strength was ever his issue. 
Jeffo is a different type, rangy, great hands, good goal sense,  usually better kicking, can get around the ground. The improvement in his pressure game and positioning after his time on the wing and in the backline is evident. I think he still needs to work on his fitness as his second efforts can be lacking but he’s growing into a good second forward and if his confidence and fitness grows he could become a very good option in a year or so. 
 

I see Kolt in the Tom Sparrow and early career Trac mould. A powerful half forward who rotates through the midfield. 

Tomlinson, Disco, Hunter, Laurie, Melksham, McAdam, Bowey, Spargo, not to mention Smith make this a much, much stronger team. Casey will come home hard this season if we can have some luck with injury and smooth returns.

Silver lining for the moment is our kids are getting experience in key roles. Tholstrup won’t play this much midfield time at AFL for many years but this is great experience. Jeffo is growing as a key forward. 

Last week there was very little to be excited about. 
This week Verrall has been great. Jeffo showing his quality. Adams much improved down back. Kolt and Sestan beasts. AMW shows a lot of dash, guts and skill. Brown shows a bit. Plenty to take away from this for us.