Moonshadow

I stopped reading soon after the thread title. What are you actually wanting to discuss P13? Or is it just an explosion of joy on your keyboard?

Maybe they are giving Barty as much time as possible to see how he knee is progressing. He is very well liked and very well respected at the club. Excellent clubman, very good trainer and gives his all, despite not having great skills. As a side note, if his knee doesn't come up and he is faced with retirement, I reckon he'll get involved in coaching. Could have a lot to offer there.

Mahoney says that research indicates there are benefits to training in humidity. Anyone know what the theory is behind that?

Poor comment. Ridiculous comment. Bad call. So Gys effort for casey coming back from injury to get smashed and have a broken jaw was weak? And linking Jimmy's hard work as president to them is simply rubbish. I reckon Jimmy would not want that. I'm not against removing these players from the list, but your comments about their efforts and passion for team success shows how little you know about the game. Soft post.

While I've always wondered what TH's role was in the Bailey era managing of player recruitment and retention, I don't think he can carry much blame for the so-called fire sale of high picks Gys and Morton and the low, pre-season pick of Martin. Using your logic, can we also praise him for the pick up of Howe and TMac? I sometimes think that over the last 10-15 yrs the MFC has hung onto high pick players who have not worked out, for fear that they may come good at another club and bite us in the rump. Neeld has decided that its better to cut our losses and get rid of them regardless. They might do well elsewhere, but we are not going to wait. I was a little concerned with losing Gys, as I believed he has a lot of untapped upside. But I see Neeld's plan is to only have players that want to get the absolute best out of themselves, who will do what is required and buy in. I support him in this. Not only have we picked up moneyball players, we've also done the reverse-moneyball by getting rid of Gys, Morton, Beamer, etc.

5 players for 4 picks, including (arguably) 3 top 5's. Looks ok to me.

Quality post.

I like much (but not all) of what Neeld is doing. I like reasonable change, i think Neeld will eventually be good for MFC. But blind faith like yours makes me laugh. How'd that magic go in 2012?

If Cale is as bad a choice at pick 4 as most people claim, why do WCE want him? Surely Worsefold must see something in him. I've read the press tweet that claims WCE are confident he can play decent footy. What does it say about Neeld that its better to sever ties with players that he has fractured relationships with than work on them, to get them to buy in? Surely if its a fitness and body size issue, then Misso the guru could address this. My point is that we probably/hopefully will not regret losing Morton, Gys, Moloney and Rivers (though his reasons were supposedly different). But what happens when a very good player falls out with Neeld? A player like Frawley, or Silvia, or Watts, and we are not able to get adequate trade value in return? I'm wondering if Neeld demanded immediate respect and compliance when he came on board, rather than earning even just a little bit first. There's a big difference. We cheer these trades, like a wonderful new broom is sweeping through the club. However, lets not forget that we are yet to see any real positive results on the field from Team Neeld. Ruling with an iron fist is ok if you have something to back it up, some runs on the board. I fear that if we end up in the bottom 4 this time next year, a lot better players than those leaving now will want out. I honestly believe that it is part of a coaches job to assist motivating players and develop successful relationships with them. Before replying with glib one liners, note that I am being perfectly reasonable in questioning the issue. I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on this.

Thank you. The witness may step down........

If you had read the Jamar or Martin thread you would have seen the alternatives I suggested. You would also see that I acknowledge that Jamar would stay. As a result, we will continue to have a ruck'n'roll band made up of a 29 yr old one season wonder who only taps, a kneeless cripple, an unco monster who likes to hurt people and (depending on trades) an athletic lawyer-to-be with all the poise of a baby giraffe. Yeah, why think outside the square to get the best young ruck prospect in a long time when our ruck stocks are soooooooooooo good. Try suggesting something for discussion, something new perhaps, then get back to us

Ohhhhhhh........In that case, the rumour is watertight and the deal is done. Please, do go on.

Some clear indication of a source?

Don't say that Jamar bit too loudly around here. I did on the 'Jamar or Martin' thread, and got shouted down. Seems like Jamar is looked upon as untouchable, because he had one good season in 1942.

This is he..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morten_Gamst_Pedersen

Think we're doing a bit of both, with so many good picks initially. Team Neeld has played it well by getting in players with experience and attitude, whilst also planning for many years to come eg. Hogan

We're busy shifting the deck chairs around, but they don't want to sit down. Not sure we'll notice the difference with those ins and outs.

Still not out of the question to get a pick in the 20's or early 30's. Depends how the trades fall tomorrow. Either going to be a hectic last day or a fizzer. Lets see.

Just beat it!

Again, you missed my point. Our ruck stocks are many but thin, and Jamar has trade value.

And all this trading and drafting without our prized new recruiting guy - Jason Taylor - setting a foot in the door. Pretty gutsy effort.

SEN stating that Morton met with Worsefold in Perth yesterday Edit: now denham claiming WCE have agreed to take Morton for specific draft pick! Lol!

http://www.afl.com.au/tabid/208/default.aspx?newsid=143860

If Cale had a shoulder reco recently, how would he be doing a fitness test at WCE? Wouldn't his arm be in a sling of some sort? I thought that shoulders had to be kept still for quite some time after a reco. I recall this being mentioned when Jurrah had his done. Although the fella in the photo does look incredibly daggy, which I imagine Cale to be.

And the year before. Jamar gets his hand to the ball in the ruck more than Martin. Take away his wrestle-ability with the new rule and you take away his strength. For the rest of the match, he does SFA. As I've said in another thread, we have many rucks, and not much to show for it ATM. Given this is a trade thread, I ask which has the greater trade value? Jamar.