nutbean

it looked like a backhand slap to me.....

I noticed the Duryea of the Hawks has been offered $1000 because he hit Haydn Ballantyne. ( I personally would give him $5000 for hitting him and I am sure that many others would chip in a little more)

And this too is an over-reaction. Why do you think his man is running into space behind him ? It is usually because we turned the ball over. You are semi correct about the StKilda - TMac was off his man as soon as we got possession and then we turn the thing over and guess what ? Tmac is off his man. It is not hard to figure out why we are leaking so many goals over the back when we didn't last year. Last year our only attack came from forward of the centre - this year the Wagners, Hunts, Jetta and Tmac are all becoming part of our attack - hence the reason we are scoring more. We are following the trend of Hawthorn - the difference is that Hawthorn at their best rarely if ever turn the ball over. If you want to go back to 50-60 points a game then no problem - there will be few goals leaked over the back. But watching all teams this year - the reason for high scores is the half back line - even full back line are running and spreading hard and forward. Makes for pretty offensive football but turn it over and its a goal against. It ain't just us.

I thought the kid who played the English little hitler was poor but the kid who played the American little Hitler was ok... wait a second.........hmmm...

And Jetta was delisted...and I would suggest now he is one of the first picked every week. And Trengove was almost at Richmond and that fell through and he got a one year contract extension. Seems that the club may be a bit more "fluid" in its thinking than some posters.

Actually you can have it both ways. Bernie Vince takes risks and I will concede that sometimes it doesn't come off - however it is not usually because he disposes badly. Tmac attempts to run out the back line don't (occasionally ) backfire because he takes a risky option - it backfires because at times under little pressure he disposes poorly. I would prefer the Tmac continue to attack and run - I just want him to take the 2-3 bad disposals per game out of his game ( the difference is kicking to a contest vs kicking straight to the opposition)

do we all know that ? do we ? How about we make the finals first and then worry about who will and won't stand up.

He was reported at the ground - that is not an MRP citing.

said it before and ill say it again Tmac - seasons DE 82% Jack Watts seasons DE 79.2% - who would rather have kicking the ball ? DE should be taken with a small grain of salt

He does need to clean up some of his disposal and decision making. ( why on earth he kicked out from full back is beyond me) 88% DE - i have commented before the DE is a bit of fluff stat as defenders tend to switch the ball around and short pass across the ground as the opposition zone will allows this - so there DE will always look better than say in an under midfielder like Tyson or Viney. And as frustrating as TMac can be his good far outweighs his bad but if he improved this part of his game he would be an AA defender.

This is where the maturity will come. I tend to agree. When the team is down or behind or he just wants to make a difference , Jack wants to lift the team so whilst his intent cannot be faulted, instead of keeping it simple he will try to do a little too much which invariably comes unstuck. I don't like using the word selfish when it comes to Viney as he is so selfless running into a contest - I would rather suggest that as result of the team not firing or being behind in his desire to fire up the team or get a positive result he tries to do too much.

Tmac can be very frustrating but this is way over the top.

I was about to post on this exact problem. The old one umpire game never had the problem and there was consistency as one umpire could be as harsh or lenient in his interpretation as he wished. The minute we went from 1 umpire to 2 umpires the problems start and were exacerbated with 3 umpires. We have an expectation of consistency not only with 3 umpires on the one ground reading the game differently but then you have 9 games a week - so we want consistency from 27 field umpires. good luck with that.

Agreed. I will not criticise how he had played this year. In the main he has been good. The difference for me as we are now playing better attacking footy this year with more inside 50's so he is getting more opportunities. He got a lot of easy ball in the second half yesterday and that is not a bad thing. I like him leading up, using his pace and getting chest marks and kicking accurately. But in the first part of the year he was getting that same easy ball but mixing it up with some attack at the contest and getting some harder contested ball. The second part has dropped off in the last few weeks.

I think you answered you own question. No one is capable of getting back once you turn the ball over - that's why week in and week out you see that number one cause of goals is turnovers. Bullies didn't turn the ball over half as much as we did and therefore weren't burnt as badly as we were. Modern football has your backman pressing up, locking it in the front half of the ground and kicking goals ( like Tmac did yesterday) and they simply rely on not turning the ball over. On Garland - he unfortunately still makes the same basic errors - the 50 metres he gave away for waltzing through the 10m protected zone was simple unawareness and i did notice that he got sucked in a few times to being a second Demon into a ground ball contest that the doggies were leading to and i watched as the single bulldog then handpassed over to Garland's unopposed man as he had been sucked into the contest unnecessarily.

There was nothing in the slap to Jeffy's but did you figure out what the 50m against was for ?

meh - rewatch the game - Viney and Jones were as tied up in tackles as much or even more than Tyson yesterday. Tyson has clearly not gone backwards and was as effective as Viney and more than Jones yesterday and his output has been vastly superior to last year.

I am not sure that either will get rubbed out. On the Vince - can't tell if it was head or shoulder - it certainly was more glancing than full on and sufficient impact ? Wouldn't have thought so.. Jetta was a push away that got high - a slapping motion. Who knows how the MRP will adjudicate... Speaking of slapping - who was it that slapped Jeffy Gartlett when he was on the mark and then the umpire gave a 50 metres against us ? mystifying to say the least

Don't disagree with you that he is a very good coach - but your original statement is that he a "far superior coach" than Roos and that IMO is plainly a comparison that cant be made due to the vast differences of club starting points.

He went backwards last year - injuries and couldn't get himself right. He has been very solid this year and again compare his game to Viney's. As many times as Tyson got tackled as soon as he got the ball - so was Viney. There many secondary stoppages caused by Viney getting tackled and not free as there were with Tyson. Selective analysis in my opinion.

I think you are harsh on Boys from Brazil being a "terrible" 70's movie. I thought it was a great movie - how could it not be with Gregory Peck, Sir Lawrence Olivier and James Mason. Very harsh putting it in the same league as Towering Inferno - which was pretty ordinary. You want bad 70's - try Earthquake with Charlton Heston. The actually rigged up the chairs in the theatre to shake the bejesus out of you when the earthquakes were on screen. We watched it about 5 weeks ago and i stood behind my girlfriend and shook her chair every time an earthquake hit.

Well.. i saw something that i didn't think i would ever see. Saw the Brewster Brothers on Saturday night and it was about 2/3's music and the other third a "narrator" asking them questions. They covered their beginnings all the way through to present. Rick Brewster spent his whole Angels carreer wearing the dark glasses and standing like a statue playing guitar - zero facial expressions. John Brewster talked about their beginnings and they started life in a jug band ! With that the two brothers jumped off the stage with John playing guitar and Rick playing the washboard and (and harmonising vocals) jumping around banging on his washboard totally out of control. As they finished a couple of songs. Rick just announced to the crowd " bet you never thought you'd see Rick Brewster doing that !" - he was dead right.

How on earth did you reach that conclusion ? Roos took a list that was bereft of talent, gutted it and started again. Beveridge took a list that had talent and has it improved it and are playing really good football. Two clubs that started from different places and are now in two different places.

Tyson again gets a kick from Joeboy ( Tyson must have kicked his cat) - was he more wasteful than Jack Viney ?

It was easily within 10 metres and we could see it coming - we were yelling at him to stop. The frustrating part was not that they paid that decision which was correct but I counted from that time on at least 5 other occasions where they let it go.