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No, but it'll be funnier this week when it's re-shopped to make it Owen Four bwahahahaha

Will be interesting to see how Clisby goes for Casey tomorrow; a good game and he may well replace Terlich. Hard to see many other changes to a winning team.

^^ seemed like a normal day in the northern stand with Demons in good voice

Straight out of the captain's mouth: http://www.melbournefc.com.au/news/2014-04-12/win-a-line-in-the-sand-match-grimes

11 marks and 6 i50.. worked really hard all day, as did Frawley and Dawes

I actually thought our skills were a lot better today. Still plenty of clangers, but fewer handballs to players under pressure and fewer wayward kicks. Having said that, can't believe how crap Carlton were.. they made us look like a polished outfit.

Don't know whether today was a line in the sand game... BUT ...feels good to throw sand in Carlton's face !! you blooooody beauty !

6. Frawley 5. Nate Jones 4. T McD 3. Viney 2. Grimes 1. Bail

Absolutely stoked for the boys - they deserved it today. We stuck our tackles, our disposal was 150 % better than it has been, and we didn't overuse it. Thought the forward line worked really hard - the scoreboard showed 25 marks between Frawley (14) and Dunn (11), and Dawes kicked the clutch goals when he needed to, in addition to at least 2 goal assists. Grimes had his best game in ages and Jack Viney is just a gem; his ability to break through pack and use the ball well under pressure is a pleasure to watch. Was a key factor in the our second quarter comeback, one of those players who just wills himself into the game. Was scared that perhaps we wouldn't know how to win but we played out the game well, slowing it down, holding them up, and keeping the ball in tight at the stoppages. Hopefully the win will boost the confidence of the boys and help regenerate some of that self-belief which we all know is so important Well done Demons.

Meh, it's the media's need to always frame things in terms of winner and losers. Even without seeing Salem yet, I reckon this will be a win-win. Tyson's form so far speaks for itself.

It wasn't last year, it was 2011

You only want the stand 'restored' because that's where you crash when you're locked out of the Gat late at night... I agree it's a beautiful ground though.

Reading the papers this morning it seems Dutton might not reappoint all the expired panel members; his office is claiming that a 4th has been added and that the panel can meet as a properly constituted quorum with just 3 members.

I don't deny there was substance to it - I guess we are arguing over just how much. There's been no evidence / action on match-fixing, or the involvement of organised crime, and the doping saga was basically confined to one club each from just two of the five sporting codes represented that day. We can speculate all we like about the possibility of corruption and cheating - and we know that it has happened in cricket - but without proof it's hard to ascertain just how 'black' the 'blackest day in sport' was. If you think Rupert's henchmen were the only ones to question the motives behind that press conference then - in your words - "wow".. Here's another quote from ASADA a week or two after the presser: Last Friday ASADA Chief Executive Aurora Andruska released an official statement outlining how they expect to interview a total of 150 players, support staff and administrators from the two codes. She later admitted to the Nine Network that the number of 150 was a guess. "I had a lot of pressure on me to say lots of sports stars were implicated in the drugs scandal and I thought 150 sounded like a good number." Found that in the very partisan political journal The Roar: http://www.theroar.com.au/2013/02/23/was-acc-drug-report-our-darkest-day-or-just-handy-spin/

I disagree that changing the personnel nobbles the investigation. incoming governments do it all the time with departmental and agency heads, life keeps ticking over. anyhoo, only said it was a possibility; they may well reappoint the existing members and the only impact will be a short delay (barrett said end of june now at earliest) this was an interesting piece on the machinations behind the 'blackest day' presser. http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/how-labor-hijacked-sports-bosses-at-organised-crime-and-drugs-in-sport-report-press-conference/story-e6freuy9-1226580675107

It was also about organised crime and match-fixing, but what's eventuated out of that? Nothing. Soccer, rugby union and cricket were also at that presser. Any evidence or investigations into those sports, or where they there for window-dressing? And I'm not sure why you keep talking about closing down and removing resources from ASADA; nowhere did I say the Government was doing that.

Inge only got a soapbox to make his claim because the Government needed a distraction and thus organised that notorious all-code press conference to launch the ACC report. And for all the brouhaha and the "blackest day" claim, what's happened as a result? 3/5ths of SFA. A handful of NRL officials / players have been penalised, and Cronulla as a club, and then the Bombers in AFL. And who knows how that will end? Hardly enough to justify the impression created that doping was rife in every sport and all leagues. Perhaps I should have been clearer when I referred to gutting ASADA - I didn't mean walking away from it or shutting it down, I meant cleaning out old personnel and putting in their own people.

Will be interesting to see the response from Dutton's office but I wouldn't rule it out. The whole "blackest day in sport" was an embarrassment for the Labor Government and ASADA have hardly covered themselves in glory since then either. It's quite possible the new Government wants to distance itself from ASADA and is in the process of gutting it to do so.

This is known as the Melbourne example: "I have pity for you. Your training was elite but you still came last."

Talk about Keystone Cops

What's going to happen to the vault? They should preserve it and put it on display at the Museum of Sport

And it's hard to draw lines in quicksand..

I think for the time being, he'll probably want to be as far away from the club as possible.

I was at a Comedy Festival gig tonight and didn't laugh as much as I just did reading that. Talk about hypocrites.. they went berserk and said national security was at stake when the same sort of trivial nonsense was released by Wikileaks, and yet here he goes and writes a book full of it. And then has the audacity to say it's better than Wiki and Snowden! Half tempted to buy it just for the laughs but I'm sure the HS have extracted every single one of those nuggets for their yarn.

Can you pls explain how a press conference is an opportunity to help himself? And why the need for "some words and emotion" from Mitch himself? Do you need to see him burst into tears before you believe it? FMD