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  1. Read it and weep - governments have spent $450 million spent on AFL grounds and facilities since 2017.

    From Peter Ryan in The Age

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    Marvel Stadium will not be used for AFLW matches in 2024 despite recently being upgraded with $225 million of state government funding, in part for “improved facilities to support professional women’s sport”.

    It’s the biggest single publicly funded upgrade to AFL venues and club training bases since 2017 as state and federal governments have poured $450 million into the code’s facilities.

    In addition, a further $15 million each has been promised for Hawthorn’s Dingley and Richmond’s Punt Road redevelopments.

    The Marvel Stadium upgrade, complete with a new-look stadium square featuring new bars, coffee spots and improved spectator amenities, was officially launched last month.

    The occasion shone a light on the amount of Victorian taxpayer funds directed towards the league and AFL clubs to upgrade their stadiums and high-performance centres as other sporting bodies, including Olympic sports that rely heavily on government funding, battle for scarce dollars in a tight fiscal environment.

    There were no AFLW games played at the AFL-owned Marvel Stadium in 2023 and two sources who attended a recent planning forum, but who were not authorised to speak publicly, confirmed to this masthead that the league would schedule women’s games at boutique stadiums again next season.

    The AFL defended its decision, saying the changerooms at Marvel Stadium were used for two sold-out Matildas soccer matches in the past year as well as for female performers at concerts held at the venue since the redevelopment.

    But AFLW commentator Chyloe Kurdas questioned why the AFL’s own stadium wasn’t being used to support the growth of the women’s game.

    “It doesn’t make sense that the AFL’s own stadium, that has been so highly invested in through taxpayer dollars and the community, it doesn’t make sense that women will not be able to access it to play Australian rules football,” Kurdas said.

    “The seating capacity of Marvel offers an opportunity to meet the needs and expectations of the AFLW fan base, particularly in high-value games like the finals, the AFLW finals or the AFLW grand final. It offers a real opportunity to help meet the community’s demand for those big marquee events.”

    The league said it had been clear in its desire to grow AFLW sustainably and hoped Marvel Stadium would become a marquee venue for the competition in the future.

    “We anticipate there will be a time in the future where Marvel Stadium will be used for AFLW marquee events, such as a grand final. Ultimately, we would all love the competition to be so big that we have no choice but to host more matches on the regular at the venue, but we must continue to sustainably grow the competition,” an AFL spokesperson said.

    In January, the AFL also went into partnership with Development Victoria, the government’s property development arm, to discuss the potential redevelopment of the western side of the AFL-owned stadium that is a centrepiece of Docklands.

    Athletes or stadiums?

    Respected sports administrator John Wylie, who was the chair of the Australian Sports Commission for eight years, said much of the upgrading of facilities for women’s sport was necessary. But he said the boom came at the expense of Olympic and community sports and widened the gap between sport’s haves and have-nots.

    “There is increasingly a sense of winner takes all, or winner takes most, economically in sports, and the AFL and the NRL are gapping a lot of other sports,” Wylie said.

    “The Olympic sports are really facing a challenging future because they depend overwhelmingly on government funding, so it would be nice to see a greater focus on public investment on the sports that actually need the money.

    “You would hope the public investment in sport wouldn’t reinforce what is increasingly a winner-takes-all economic situation that is emerging.”

    Wylie was concerned that dominant sports attracted funding because of their blanket coverage, while organisations such as the Victorian Institute of Sport, which provides elite programs for potential Olympians, must fight for funding in this year’s state budget.

    “It would be nice to see a greater sense of priority of investment towards investing in athletes and participation in sport rather than what seems to be a very strong focus towards investing in stadiums,” Wylie told this masthead.

    He worries that people are being attracted to elite sport stadiums to consume “burgers and beers” rather than participate.

    “As a country, we have a health and obesity crisis, and yet the public investment in sport seems to be really focused on the consumption of sport as spectators and as entertainment as opposed to playing and being active.”

    ‘The bigger sports get bigger’

    AFL clubs seem to be winning the hearts of politicians. In Geelong, $142 million was contributed to stage five of the Kardinia Park redevelopment, while about $70 million of state government funds were invested via other mechanisms in a high-performance centre – and now completed – upgrades at Essendon’s Hangar, the Bulldogs’ Whitten Oval and North Melbourne’s Arden Street.

    A source with knowledge of the process, who wanted to remain anonymous in order to speak freely about how funding decisions are reached, said Geelong’s stadium build should be regarded differently to the other projects as they enjoyed the benefits of being in a marginal and regional seat.

    Richmond and Hawthorn have also been promised $15 million each from the state government. The Tigers will upgrade Punt Road Oval and facilities supporting the Korin Gamadji Institute’s programs for Indigenous youth, while the Hawks will develop a high-performance centre at Dingley.

    Collingwood completed an upgrade to their training base, including a sports medicine centre, in 2023 using a federal government grant of $15 million. Its completion so soon after the club withdrew its team from the Super Netball competition caused controversy on social media, but the club said the redevelopment met the funding’s objectives.

    A feasibility study is also under way to determine whether Caulfield Racecourse is a suitable location for Melbourne to create a high-performance centre.

    Sports historian Greg Blood, who worked before retirement at the Australian Institute of Sport, said big professional sports have sophisticated lobbying mechanisms that assist them to make their case.

    He first compiled a list of government funding of big sport in 2019 before updating it in 2024 to keep an eye on how public funding is impacting sport.

    “The bigger sports get bigger and then the smaller sports are left behind, and they are totally reliant on government funding,” Blood said.

    However, former Geelong president Colin Carter, who was a key architect of the AFL’s ground rationalisation policy, which resulted in more than 90 AFL games plus finals being played at the MCG and Marvel Stadium each season, takes a different tack.

    “I have a big belief in stadiums. That is where people gather [and] whether you like it or not, footy plays an enormously important role in society and [it’s] mostly good. It brings people together,” Carter said.

    “If you want to make the argument that a hospital wing or an infant health centre is more important then you would never build a museum, art gallery or a concert hall. At the end of the day, you have to say, ‘what are the things that add value to a community sense of excitement and belonging?’ Footy stadiums are up there.”

    Carter said people needed to realise that funding for stadiums comes from a different bucket of money to the one allocated to education and health.

    Grassroots funding

    The Victorian government is cognisant of the importance of participation in local sport. As part of the 2018 deal to keep the AFL grand final at the MCG, the government committed $241.6 million to “upgrade facilities at suburban grounds, local clubs and high-performance centres across the state”.

    Of that pool, $65 million went into the state netball and hockey centre, as well as $10 million to build the Melbourne Victory Football Academy and $12 million towards a rugby league hub that will house the proposed Melbourne Storm women’s team. That left about $110 million for suburban grounds and local clubs around Victoria, with $15 million of that dedicated to building female-friendly facilities.

    The Victorian government also launched the community sports infrastructure loans scheme in that package, which provided eligible organisations access to low-interest rate loans of between $500,000 and $10 million to help build community sport and recreation infrastructure.

    “We are supporting high-quality, accessible community sport infrastructure by investing more than $1.9 billion since 2014 to develop and upgrade facilities right across the state,” a Victorian government spokesperson said in a statement.

    The AFL is also adamant that increasing participation is key to its plans. The commission has locked in funding for community sport as a percentage of revenue for the next 10 years.

    “We provide 10 per cent of the AFL revenues to community [football], which is an estimated $1 billion invested over the next decade,” Dillon said at the SportNXT conference held in Melbourne earlier this month.

    Two AFL sources, who wanted to remain anonymous as they were not authorised to speak publicly on the issue, defended the league’s approach, arguing the AFL puts broadcast revenue into community football, rather than seeking levies from participants to fund facilities.

    They also argue that the AFL leverages its influence to build partnerships at all levels of government with the Australian Football Facilities Fund.

    “[AFL clubs] understand the power they have in the community, and there is no better way to leverage this by utilising their training facilities for community groups. Each club has a different arrangement, but we have seen in more recent times those facilities being hubs for local community and at times other sports engagement. With all 18 clubs now having both AFL and AFLW programs, the facilities need to best reflect the amenities required for everyone to have the best experience possible,” a league spokesperson said.

    Victorians are now waiting to see whether the big AFL build translates into a better sporting environment for all or a chance, as Wylie says, for more burgers and beers to be consumed.

    “The Marvel Stadium redevelopment is delivering a first-class experience for sporting fans, concert-goers, function space users, and the athletes, both men and women who have used the facility over the last 12 months,” the AFL said.

    But as the debate around government funding for the Tasmania Devils continues, the wait for AFLW games to be played at Marvel Stadium – which will host 43 AFL games in 2024 – continues.

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  2. https://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/exdemons-attend-reunion-instigated-by-neale-daniher/news-story/66a1ba13f5fef4d94b9d5d37ad31fe2f

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    Footy great and motor neurone disease (MND) campaigner Neale Daniher has instigated a reunion of some of his beloved players.

    Daniher, who coached Melbourne from 1998-2007, caught up with stars from his beloved 1998-2000 team including David Neitz, Brad Green, Russell Robertson and Rod Grinter.

    They had a lunch at Lamaro’s in South Melbourne.

    “Neale actually planned the lunch, we’re in a group and he calls it ODD — the old dilapidated Demons,’’ Green said.

    “It was great. He’s still walking around and speaks through a computer generated system. 

    “I can’t remember the last time we all caught up like that with 16 or 17 guys there. Lot of laughs and old stories being told.”

    Daniher was diagnosed with MND in 2013 and continues to inspire the nation with his determination and Fight MND campaigning.

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  3. 23 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

    I just came across this board one day and started posting. 

    I don't barrack for the Dees either.

    I'm a professional moderator and this is the only job I could get.

    But I'm learning lots about Aussie Rules and it seems like a really great game!

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  4. On 19/11/2023 at 17:52, old55 said:

    "The boys finished in the top four
    Thru home finals we will cruise
    I said the girls finished in the top four
    The flag is ours to lose
    But we played like funkin' rubbish
    I got the straight sets red and blues"

    The press swooped in like a vulture

    With questions about club culture 

    But we only had ourselves to blame 

    For not achieving premiership fame

    A simple trick would have altered the team's fate

    'Tis not a secret - just kick straight

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  5. We need Tayla for structure as much as anything else.

    Zanker has done an exceptional job these past few weeks but it's not sustainable.

    She's playing both CHF and FF at the same time, and when she comes up the ground, it leaves us light on for marking power near goal (skipper's heroics notwithstanding).

    There seemed to be times on the weekend (bit hard to judge off the telly) when we had to hold up play at CHF, presumably because Hore was outnumbered at FF. 

    A fit and firing Harris improves us in a multitude of ways. 

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  6. Shout out to Eden Zanker - worked so hard all night, repeatedly brought the ball to ground even when she was outnumbered or out-positioned, and kept scrambling for second and third efforts when it was on the ground, tackling, chasing.

    It was a huge effort to help fill the absence of Tayla.

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  7. 2 hours ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

    I wanted to acknowledge Aimee Mackin's debut this week and the unfolding repeat (surpassing?) of Melbourne's Irish Experiment success.

    A fitting week to make her debut following the passing of RDB, who I’m sure would be pleased to see his masterstroke still reaping rewards for the Dees after all this time.

    The fact she’s playing seniors so quickly suggests good things - it’s not like we’re scratching around needing to play the kids.

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  8. Really nice to read everyone's anecdotes and tales of the great man.

    The one that sticks in my mind isn't related to football all; it was the night Ron came to the defence of a woman who was being assaulted by a gang of thugs at a restaurant in Fiztroy street.

    Already well into his 70's, Ron put himself in harm's way to protect a stranger. 

    When he got involved and chased the group away, they ultimately turned on him, punching and kicking him while he lay on the ground. In his own words: "I just hoped I'd survive."

    The woman later credited him with saving her life.

    "I'd like to thank Mr Barassi for daring to help. He's a very brave man. A good man. There's not many of them around any more."

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  9. This was the soundtrack to my childhood, and that of @Demonland.

    In the early 80’s Mike Brady released an album called “Songs of Football’s Greatest Sons”, with tracks celebrating the game’s best. As the song explains, Ron was the captain of the group.

    We listened to this non-stop until the cassette warped ( a bit like the beginning of this recording). 

     

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  10. I'm quite comfortable with how we carry ourselves on the big stage - and the respect we've earned from the football world in return.

    Yes we went out in straight sets last year, but you don't finish top 4 three years in a row without 'stepping up' multiple times.  

    I saw the OP made a similar post in another thread, implying that the flag was diminished because it was played at a neutral venue away from a hostile crowd; if you want to put an asterisk next to one of our greatest premiership wins, that's your call. 

    Not me. We were on the precipice of one of football's biggest ever chokes in 2021. 

    We were easily the best team of the H&A season, and the finals, and we'd let a dominant four-goal GF lead turn into a 19-point deficit midway through the third term. Our decades-long reputation as a soft club that couldn't deliver when the heat is on was about to be signed and sealed forever in front of the entire nation. 

    But we didn't fold. We produced 45 minutes of the most devastating football in finals history - close to perfection. When it counted most. With a heavy 57-year old monkey on our back. 

    To pretend there wasn't scrutiny or pressure is just plain wrong - there will never be more pressure than there was in 2021 when we were trying to break the curse. 

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  11. The evidence is in. We turn up big time.

     

    Largest cumulative crowds for VFL / AFL games on consecutive days

    1. September 7 & 8, 2023

    Coll v Melb - 92,636

    Carl v Sydney - 92,026

    Total = 184,662

     

    2. September 6 & 7, 2018

    Rich v Haw - 91,446

    Melb v Geel - 91,767

    Total = 183,213

     

    3. April 24 & 25, 2023

    Melb v Rich - 83,985

    Coll v Ess - 95,179

    Total = 179,164

     

    Stats courtesy of @sirswampthing on Twitter. 

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  12. 6 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

    M50. Deceased!!!!

    I never paid for anything so fast in my life

    I got so flustered checking out I accidentally made a $50 donation to some organisation i've never heard of  😂 😡

    They're sneaky bastards - they do it deliberately no doubt.

    PS: I'm in M50 too, which is where we both sat for the Brisbane final last year. What row? I'm in F

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  13. 51 minutes ago, Engorged Onion said:

    I wondered which post this would turn up at. Well played :)

    I’m surprised we haven’t seen more about goody’s flaws on here: 

    * stubborn

    * no plan b

    * still playing his best mate Melksham

    * not a good gameday coach

    * doesn’t reward form at casey

    * bad at press conferences

    * still hasn’t reviewed the 2018 PF!

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  14. 3 hours ago, Supreme_Demon said:

    Apparently Melbourne was that awful in 1981 (the year I was born) that the coach at the time, Ron Barassi, wrote an apology letter to all Melbourne Demons members! 😖

    I can't find it at the moment. But I know a copy of the letter exists somewhere online. 🤔

    It was an awful year SD - we won 1 game, by 1 point.

    Don't stress, things will pick up soon, as Ron assures us we're in the market for "some top-name interstate recruits"!

    If you look carefully in the top right corner, the number for the changerooms is listed!

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