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Everything posted by TheoX
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Don't think so, Morton was at least rated around the pick we took him at, Cook was a big reach at 12.
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Doubt there's any etiquette, we nabbed Riley in a similar situation.
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Jarred Brennan's a top 3 pick from the NT that comes to mind, a while ago though.
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Na, just need us to not draft Lever lol.
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Jako13 clearly doesn't give much regard to evidence based practice though. He'd be using the same skills and knowledge he learned decades ago.
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By your reasoning they may as well not have a draft combine at all. You're also saying AFL recruiters have peanuts for brains, since they obviously take the results into account (along with him being clearly slow on the field) when deciding to draft or not draft players. And don't compare him to slow midfielders. He's never played there in case you didn't realise. He's a key defender. But he might be able to you say? And he wants to try it? And he was amidfield coach? And he's great at rehab? And he's a great leader and speaks well? Where's the ignore button? If he was a late pick, fine. But with his lack of pace and injury concerns he's too big a risk for pick 3 IMO.
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The shoulder is not a weight bearing joint, totally different kettle of fish to a knee reco. Lever is a massive risk, don't care if he's a great rehabber or leader or whatever, we need players who actually get on the field.
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And if we took Sellar, Callum Bartlett or Swift on their 18 yo form we would've taken them at pick 1 if we had it.
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Where did you see any good speed? I see agility and good marking, never speed. Other players make ground pretty easily on him from that vision, not that any of it's ideal since it never shows him trying to sprint away from another player on his tail. We know he's slow from objective tests.
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Use your brain, obviously he means it's slow compared to the average AFL player. He ran 3.19 for the 20m sprint as you know and you can't say that's fluff. Brayshaw isn't considered fast but he ran ~2.82. It's obvious from Lever's highlights that he's slow too. Good agility (before the reco at least) which makes up for it somewhat, but bloody slow.
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You originally said Lever is at no extra risk of doing an ACL than a player that hasn't. You're allowed to admit you're wrong.
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Doubt there's 100 players in the AFL who've had an ACL reco. That's 1/7, so you reckon more than 6 on each list? Players with an ACL are more likely t have been delisted too, which means they wot show up in the recurrence figures anyhow. Lever is a risk, and one we sure as hell shouldn't take, given he's also very slow and doesn't fill a need for us.
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OK let's take your figures disregarding 2013. The average number of ACL reco's per year is 14. 4 of those are recurrent, 10 of them are new ACL's. How many players in the AFL? 700 odd? So 10 out of ~700 do a fist time ACL, how many players have had one already? 20? 30? 4 of those do an ACL. The risk is much higher for those who have had an ACL already. Expert opinion is the lowest form of evidence you can get.
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Don't agree with all the evidence available that says this is not the case?
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Yeah I get that, you've said it numerous times. What's wrong with having an opinion on a 'favourite pick' though? It's better than saying 'I have no idea who to take'. Anyhow, what is clear is that a 'power midfielder' is more likely to succeed at AFL level than the skinny project types, they have done that research, so if Petracca and Brayshaw are there at 2/3 it's a no brainer.'.
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Clark said he could be groomed to replace Jono Brown as a CHF, but not that his game style resembled Brown's, it mentions nothing about agression or 1-1 ability etc, things that McCartin seems to be praised for. I'd rather go with that than skinny Laverde or slow as hell knee reco Lever. Quayle's description of Toumpas says nothing about competitive nature/contested ball winning ability either, no doubt Brayshaw's will and that's the kind of player we should go for IMO.
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Isn't the argument that we take the relatively ready-made aggresive competitive beast in McCartin (akin to Wines), who is in this case is also the expert's consensus top 3 pick, rather than the skinny project outside Laverde type or injury ravaged Lever type. So we can have it both ways.
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Don't forget, he's really dedicated to his rehab too.
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Exactly, Roos was on the radio yesterday saying that the recruiting staff have the final say regarding who we draft, he just acts as a 'consultant'.
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If we think he's the bet available we should be taking him regardless of landing Newton.
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http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-11-03/cats-pleased-with-blease Always someone else's fault hey Sammy.
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My god, you're comparing and ACL reco to a hammy tear. Wow. Players that have done an ACL in elite sport have a much higher chance of doing an ACL again as well as other knee injuries, and that's not unfounded, look it up.
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He's all torque and no action.
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Yeah, but like I said if you believe the stories, Neeld overruled Viney who wanted Wines. Who knows what really happened.
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No, but I don't think we had Jason Taylor when he was selected either (I think he started in 2013), Toump was a Neeld pick if you believe what's been said. Can't really say JKH or Salem have been BP-esque selections.