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11 hours ago, leucopogon said:

Don't forget that sides have won flags with key position forwards of the likes of Barry Hall, Quentin Lynch, and Adam Hunter, Chris Dawes, and Travis Cloke. Its all about the midfield and forward 50 pressure.

I guess what I mean is that 'your midfield' refers to a group of 5-10 players (depending on genuine depth) as a collective that make a premiership side. That means any one of them, or the loss of any one of them, is of much less vale than a player like a Hogan.

Ps you forgot Cam Mooney. FMD.

4 hours ago, dee-eee said:

I would love to think he will remain loyal to his club and mates but squillions in the bank with lifetime security , a penthouse overlooking a fabulous Perth beach versus the regular commute along Punt Rd to Gosch's seems a no-brainer .

god i pray this is a joke

1 hour ago, stevethemanjordan said:

If all of the pointless threads, from all of the football forums, formed their own forum - OF POINTLESS THREADS - In that forum, this would be the most pointless thread.

this is the no.1 asset in the comp, could be the difference between winning a flag or not wining one.

there are plenty of bits of worrying info.

heaps of current elite players have already set the precedent that loyalty no longer exists

how anyone can think that this is a 'pointless' discussion is beyond me. It is hard to imagine a more important one in fact.

30 minutes ago, Clint Bizkit said:

This week is crucial, of all the "important" games we've had this year I feel like this one will really tell us if we have genuinely improved.

and in terms of the momentum/belief that it will provide it is more important than all the others too

is also the most important in terms of our image as a club, if you know what I mean, we will very much be noticed by the comp (and our own jaded supporters) if we get up for this one

unfortunately, the other side of the coin is that there is plenty to lose. If we put in a rd2/rd6 performance we will be slaughtered and serious damage will be done

imagining winning this

smash the lions next week and port in the NT and be comfortably in the 8 at a win/loss of 7-3

just about build a statue of Paul Roos outside the MCC

gee it's handy being super tall isn't it! You get to play AFL for 7 years despite doing zero damage, simply because you are a required backup plan. Very handy indeed

4 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

 

Wouldn't have thought I need to explain that to you. 

well you did have to because it is superstitious rubbish. I'm surprised EFC aren't on top of the ladder given your argument... which seems to be 'getting injured is good because the opposition takes it easy on you and you catch them off guard'. right. Maybe we should deliberately injure max gawn and see how that plays out. We'll have to agree to disagree. I'm not going to waver on suggesting that if Dahlhaus, Bontempelli and Stinger were declared unavailable this week, then our chances of winning the match would increase, not decrease. Call me crazy.

47 minutes ago, The heart beats true said:

You know what's great?

We've got something everyone wants, it's very, very scarce - which means you're going to have to give up something equally remarkable to get it, and we are very, very happy to keep it. 

This is the 'downside' of great drafting.

Well played MFC. 

this is true, provided we do actually receive that 'remarkable' thing in return

I actually don't think 2 x picks in the top 5 would do it for me

although if it's Oliver + Petracca you can live with it, maybe

again I'll say though Hogan is a much rarer commodity than even the greatest midfielders

Just now, iv'a worn smith said:

 

what part of it couldnt you get through

20 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

I wonder how many pages ? 

as many as the scully thread

yeah that was a lot of talk about nothing in the end

oh wait

20 minutes ago, iv'a worn smith said:

This is pretty simple really.  The MFC is doing the right thing by letting the kid go home to see family.  It is called 'management'.  So the conspiracy theorists can hypothesise as much as they like.  I will only believe he's gone, when he's gone, otherwise, he remains a loyal Demon.

how can you call it a 'conspiracy theory' in light of Scully, Judd, Ablett, Franklin and Dangerfield ALL doing the dirty on their clubs after 'contract talks were put on hold'

it is actually the norm now for players to just ship out whenever they feel like it, for their own selfish reasons, usually financial

conspiracy theory fmd

30 minutes ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

Of course he's going to say it's not about the money- who, in their right mind, would say to the media: 'My next contract is gonna all be about the money.'

The media line that every player has given for the past month is 'the MFC is a great place to be.' That's the current PR focus of the club.

This is why the phrase 'family reasons' exists

A total copout to hide the truth that everyone knows anyway

Then you have brown paper bags which everyone pretends don't exist either

The whole thing is farce

36 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Because we couldn't beat Essendon  in a pre-season game with a team full of top-ups and we couldnt beat them in a home and away game with a team full of top ups. We have played a lot of teams over the years where a key opposition player has been out and it hasn't changed the result one bit. Or someone comes in and plays a blinder like Blake fricken Acres. Or someone who is injured like Nick Reiwoldt who delays his leg amputation by one week so he can come and torment the Demon supporters.

Just sayin....

well presumably we would have been absolutely smashed by the 'proper' Essendon side wouldn't we? That means those 'injured' players being out was the difference between a small loss and a big loss. You prove my point by noting that Riewoldt NOT being out injured basically cost us the game. So it obviously counts for something. Get it?

I can't believe I am having to defend my position 'good opposition players being out injured is helpful for us'. Would you also like me to argue the Earth is not flat? I might need to go away again I reckon

3 hours ago, Steve13 said:

fantastic interview. Whilst he spoke I reflected on where we were and where we are now, we have a lot to thank Paul Roos for. We were below a laughing stock, we were irrelevant. Three years on we are exciting and the talk is all about future rather than past. Cheers Roosy 

bottom line is that we are 68 points per week a better side than when Neeld finished. That's in 2 seasons plus 7 rounds. That is seriously impressive

48 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Having watched the full replay, I'd say Michie and Stretch are the two frontrunners to make way for whoever is right to come back in.

If Salem's ready, I'd put him straight back for Michie. it's hard on Viv for him to keep coming in and going straight out of the side but he got his chance and, unfortunately, didn't take it. Still fumbled, didn't get enough of the ball on a night where it was relatively easy to come by. Harsh, but not his night and Salem takes his spot directly.

Stretch would be the next one out IMO, didn't have much impact at all, but it depends on who is fit to take his spot. Dunn might come in to get extra height down back but not sure that's an ideal swap.

What evidence?

4-3 with a percentage of 112.7% compared to 2-5 with a percentage of 88.8%.

We've both beaten Collingwood and gotten close to North, but we played North at Blundstone (never played there before) whilst they got them at Etihad.

We beat GWS, they didn't get close to GWS. Yes, they beat us, but overall I fail to see how the evidence overall establishes they are ahead of us. 

we have played 5 great games and 2 terrible ones - the Saints got us on one of our terrible ones, otherwise it wouldn't even be a discussion

1 hour ago, DemonWA said:

I convinced myself that Scully would stay. Hell I brought a jumper with #31 on it after that infamous 'one club' player presser.

This time around Im not even going to let it bother me. I'm just going to enjoy watching footy this year and whatever happens happens. I think he seems like a loyal enough sort of guy, but you just don't know what outside factors could be at play here.

what nobody is talking about is the paper bag factor - everyone seems to think that money isn't part of the equation, on the assumption he will get as much with us as he will elsewhere. Well plenty of players have made a mockery of that idea through salary cap dodges, most famously by Chris Judd, who went to Carlton on the back of some blatently obvious misconduct that the AFL completely allowed to happen. Freo (or any of 16 other clubs who would all love to have him) could hatch any number of schemes to make it work, as the salary cap is a mirage

1 hour ago, Sylvia Saint said:

If Weideman turns out to be 75% as good as Hogan (and his early VFL form would suggest he might be) then we won't have a huge problem going forward, provided we can keep the rest of our young guns. One gun key forward, one gun ruckman and a shitload of gun smalls has been the recipe to success for years. Two gun forwards is better than one but not the be all and end all. Of course nobody wants him to go but he's just one part of the puzzle. For what it's worth he's barely fired a shot in our wins this year (last quarter against Giants aside). 

yeah but we haven't really needed him against these also-ran sides... his real value is that he could kick 6 in a final against the Hawks in 2018 and get us home

that's what's at stake, the ability to be true contenders

1 hour ago, PaulRB said:

moaning Myrtle

language, please

14 minutes ago, Is Dom Is Good said:

That is hyperbole at its finest.

Supporters care about wins, if we keep winning they will keep coming.

 

Having Hogan or not having him could easy be the difference between making a prelim and winning the flag

As good as Clarry, Viney, Tyson, Tracc and Brayshaw look like being in the middle, Jesse is something else, he cannot be compensated for, and it has been way too long since we have had one like him. Lose any of those midfielders and we can move on easily, its not the case for Jesse. Gawn is almost as important BTW.

like I said the other day, he's not even in good form at the mo, and the other day he bagged 7 goals in his 26th game, in a losing side and he did it easily. He will be unstoppable in 3 years time

with all the carp we've put up with already, this one will sting

Question... Roos said: 'if you pay over the odds for one player, as this club's done before, when we're under pressure, then it becomes hard to assemble a good list'.. who do we reckon he is talking about? It has been a while since anyone has had a truly huge contract isn't it? Mitch Clark?

17 minutes ago, Atholwebb said:

I am confident the loss of Hogan will not be too great

would be an unmitigated disaster no matter what compo we got out of it

would be the last straw for another chunk of our vanishing supporter base for starters

58 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I don't know whether you guys got the segment in Vic but I just watched it here in Perf.

Said that his contract is not about money but rather team success, J Browns comments are no more than a little love for his fellow key forwards and Ross Lyons missus cooks a wicked lamb roast.

Also, Lachie Reid who interviewed is a passionate Dee's fan who I've had the pleasure of chatting to a couple of times at functions. Apparently Hogan was sitting in cattle class (a sure sign MFC know he's going) but Lachie pulled some strings (ch10 budget strings I'd say) and managed to get Hoges upgraded to Business class.

Oh, almost forgot... He also donated some bone to Nat Fyfes leg injury.

10 minutes ago, McQueen said:

Wut?

you provided a synopsis of the news report, which I have now just seen. Nobody said anything about 'team success' being 'what the contract is about'

FWIW I feel better after seeing that clip. I don't feel like he's lying but then again who knows

44 minutes ago, McQueen said:

I don't know whether you guys got the segment in Vic but I just watched it here in Perf.

Said that his contract is not about money but rather team success,

WHO said that it's about team success?

2 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I think he's gone home to discuss a very big decision with his family...

It may all be coming to a head.

interesting perspective

one thing that gives me hope is the fact Viney signed up big yesterday. Maybe provided a bit of inspiration?

3 minutes ago, Deestroy All said:

Yet what if that's one of the factors that keeps him happy and he re-signs?

Even if he goes you'll know you've got a club that is doing what it can to keep its players happy. 

It's not all doom and gloom. 

Some questions for you to ponder: what if he plays a shocker this week because he is not properly prepared and it costs us the game? With all the effort that goes into conditioning the players... do you think that is good practice for the club to be engaged with? Bowing down to the needs of an individual at the expense of the side? Does that sound like typical Roos behaviour? Is it good culture to have star players calling the shots or should they be subservient to the bigger system? Like I said from the start, there is something unusual going on here, which is not good, simple as that.