Ungarie boy

Have done this with a few knowledgeable football officials; and the results are interesting.

I've asked them who they would take from Melbourne if available; for their team.

Aside from Gawn there is not much interest.

Some will give up a 2nd round for Oliver; a few would take Jetta if cheap, a couple think they could make Frost work (in a different environment).  That's it.

That probably more accurate reflects our list.

Oh and ironically May is still rated, but not worth giving much up  

A midfield that gets smashed each weeks keeps dominating our votes, thats not right.  Melskam getting votes for kicking points  (most weren't hard kicks) - that is true "momentum killer" and if the kicks were anywhere else on the field would count as an ineffective disposal.  Gawn monsteted his opponent in the ruck because he didnt have one,  yet while not having an opponent didn't dominate around the ground.  Olliver gets a lot of the ball but also gives a lot of it away,  and though his rapid short handballs may hit the target (normally stationary) its really only transferring, and building, pressure; resulting in a turnover on the next play.  The forwards don't compete, the backs are loose and slow. Actually so is the midfield.

The reality is no one deserves votes, but as the phrase goes "put up or shut up" so:

Fritsch - takes game on and hits targets, most often to our advantage

Frost - beaten today, but he also is brave enough to take the game on, despite his skills, rather than taking the slow momentum killing safe options. Liked what he offered as a forward (leading at the ball carrier with pace)

Brayshaw - yes a midfielder, but at least he tackled (to the ground, not the  under 8s "hold and release" style our team prefers)

Lewis - to slow, which impacts skills and decision making; yet still top two in our team for both.

Jones - not a midfielder and suffers the same Lewis slowness ailment; but did show the team how to present as a moving target (I believe its called leading,  something other teams also do outside their forward line)

JkH - can't justify this apart from the fact he looked like he cared, and he's being played out of position; though that may because he doesn't have one.  I did see the potential for him to be a small lock down back in the vein of Neville Jetta. 

Fritsch

Petracca

Maybe not, but most players listed in peoples top 6 don't deserve to be there.

Oliver needs to distribute while taking a hit (not panic handball)

Frost needs to think before acting sometimes

Salem needs to be mote physical

Hibberd gets out the back

All our midfielders get beaten on the spread, rebound and for speed

Our forwards chase (sometimes) but rarely apply pressure

Lever was also good might swap him in

Gawn

Fritsch

Jones

Salem

Oliver

Petty

Ratten can coach, remember what he did with Melb's midfield years ago. He's been part of Clarko's regime and now his time at Carlton doesn't look as bad.

Who was on Dunkley (Josh)?

Aside from the obvious answer "No-one"!

Felt like we were coached not to win.

Why was Lewis in the midfield,  would love to know how often we viney,  oliver and brayshaw in there together.  Jetta was clearly not ready. 

Someone needs to teach ANB to pass the ball not just kick it.

Importantly someone needs to teach tbe Melbourne players to take a hit while disposing the ball - we just handball to anything remotely red/blue under the merest suggestion of pressure (it could even be a shadow)

May

Fritsch 

Harmes

Petty

Gawn

Viney

Tmac

Pruess 

May

Fritsch 

Jones

Frost

10 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Difficult to give votes to the usual accumulators, the midfield was smashed at the centre clearances, the backs and a few others did well to stop a 70 point thrashing.

 

6 Salem

5 May

4 Jones

3 Frost

2 Petracca

1 Viney

Agree, the midfield was smashed in the clearances, chased rather than tackled, and panic handball at the at the hint of an opposition shadow.  

May

Salem

Fritsch 

Jones

I honestly cany think of any other player's who's good wasnt offset by their bad; maybe

Hoare

Geez then perhaps

I dont know lets say Moe!!!

Okay if a 6th player is rewuired gor votes

Smith

Viney

Fritsch 

May

Frost

Lockhart

Oliver 

So you want diamonds in the rough that also fill a specific positional need and address a particular team skillset limitation through a later draft pick, regardless of the quality of the draft and it's available player types in a given year; and with no benefit of hindsight to determine what the list holes are in the future years; particularly as some of your previous selections addressed existing list needs that then had the flow-on effect of highlighting resultant new ones!!!! 

Reality OMac played a poor game on the weekend

Reality OMac is out of form

Reality OMac is not going to challenge for All Australian Key Position Defender

but he has performed a role in the past, above his stature.

BIG REALITY our midfield applies little defensive pressure with the opposition transitioning through them with relative ease, once the ball is on the outside our midfielders are dusted (jogging behind or to the next contest is not defensive pressure)

VERY BIG REALITY our forwards defensive acts seem to stop at the 50 metre arc, while opposition backs link up with their midfielders to run through the center of the ground

Little wonder our backs are being slaughtered; remember Jetta and Hibberd were also struggling for most of this year as well.  

15 minutes ago, whatwhatsaywhat said:

6 - Harmes

5 - Gawn

4 - Salem

3 - Oliver

2 - Lockhart 

1 - Hibberd

This

Viney

Hibberd

Jones

Hoare

Melskam

Stretch

We play scared, we'll handball at the hint of a shadow; normally to someone who is to lazy to move away from their opponent. 

Anyone who can find 6 good players probably were lucky enough to find an unguarded  case of beer by the 10 min mark!

But to put up 6 names I'll go with:

Frost

Pruess 

Brayshaw

Jones

Jetta

Melskam

But this is really about who did something good rather than who played well

Jones

Frost

Gawn

Trac

Fritz

Pruess

We are getting killed by: 

Lack of speed in the midfield (center of ground). Teams are bursting out from the congestion and spreading faster which opens up the ground, and making it virtually impossible to defend.

Lack of forward pressure (most our forwards are slow to react and only do one act of pressure). It comes out far to quickly  (and with time) to a midfield that can't keep up with its opponents.

Lack of accountability in the backline, we are constantly getting beaten one on one, but worse, we often don't make it to a one on one, and when we do it is often a miss match  (small on a tall).  

Lack of ruck options - all teams are going with two against Gawn (regardless of quality); and even running a third tall against him.

Thats a lot of area's to address, maybe:

Garlett      Pruess     Lockhart

Hunt          Weid        Spargo 

Fritz          Oliver     Stretch

Viney         Frost     Salem

Jetta         Tmac     Jones

Gawn Harmes Brayshaw

Bench Petracca, Baker, Hibberd, Keilty

Is Hannan fit? We also miss AVB. 

Brayshaw

Harmes

Oliver

Dont want to give a back votes but

Fritz

Dont want to give a forward votes but

Lockhart

Don't want to give any more votes but

Gawn

We were bad

Bombers actually worse 

Umpires absolutely atrocious

Hunt is not accountable Hibberd is slow and out of form, Jetta is getting beaten. Then to go with 3 talls on a wet night - idiotic. Jeez we miss Lewis. 

Hunt and frost to go. 

Sparrow got away with the fumbles last week, this week he didnt get close enough to fumble, Trac did (i.e. fumble) also no pressure, not sure what ANB does, Melks playing without confidence (hes a forward that doesn't want as shot at goal). Weids has playef 2 good game (unfortunately last year). Sparrow and Trac to go.

Kk was also poor (no defense)

Spargo and Keilty in, then whatever; perhaps Stretch and anyone fast.

Brayshaw

Oliver

Harmes

Gawn

Lockhart

Fritz

Its really hard to give a forward or back votes

So when I coach under 12s one of the things I teach is chest marks; is there a spot for me on the Dees coaching Panel?