Fat Tony

1 minute ago, Sydee said:

I get the Windsor pick but this one has me scratching my head 

Not sure with the existing small forwards and the addition of those two above this was a pressing need

Maybe they think he can evolve into a midfielder 

Our existing small forwards are B graders except for Kossie. 

27 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

Summary:

West Coast will take the No. 1 pick into draft night as North Melbourne's hopes of claiming Harley Reid fade. The deadline for clubs to swap picks has been reached, meaning clubs can't do any deals until the first night of the draft on November 20. The Kangaroos and Demons have made multiple efforts to strike a deal with West Coast on pick one in a bid to keep Reid in Victoria. West Coast is set on taking the powerful Tongala midfielder after North Melbourne's surprise last-round win over Gold Coast handed West Coast the No. 1 pick. The draft will be held across two nights on November 20-21.

West Coast also has picks 23 and 37 and could snare next generation academy livewire Lance Collard at pick 23 amid clubs fears Collard could become homesick in Victoria. Collard is rated a top-15 player on talent but the man who has been likened to Collingwood’s Bobby Hill could slide to West Coast’s second pick.

Geelong has pick eight and has attracted interest from North Melbourne in the Roos’ bid to move up the order. Essendon’s pick nine has also been targeted by clubs who have picks in the teens and want to jump up the order.

29 minutes ago, 2021 said:

West Coast Eagles almost certain to retain No.1 pick..

https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl-draft/afl-draft-2023-west-coast-eagles-almost-certain-to-retain-no1-pick-take-top-prospect-harley-reid-c-12494635

Harley Reid, a highly anticipated draft prospect in the AFL, is almost certain to play for West Coast in 2024. Rival clubs are racing to offer the Eagles an out-of-this-world deal to trade the No.1 draft pick and get first access to Reid, who is seen as a clone of three-time Norm Smith medallist Dustin Martin. The Eagles have not had any proposals from other clubs that were yet to catch their eye, despite several being interested.

The picks only trade period ends on Friday, leaving only opening draft night on November 20 for a deal to go through. North Melbourne and Melbourne have been the key players offering at least two deals to get a trade done with the Eagles, including an offer of pick 2 and two of their late first-round selections (15, 17, or 18) for 1 and 23.

Melbourne have also come hard for the pick, putting forward 6, 11, 42 and a future first-rounder for just pick No.1.

Both deals have not made the Eagles move, making it more likely than unlikely that the wooden spooners will hold onto the pick. Tongala prodigy Reid is almost certain to head West, having long been touted as the best prospect in this year's draft. Reid will automatically sign a three-year deal instead of the previously normal two-year contract under the new CBA rules, giving West Coast strong bargaining power should he request a trade back to Victoria.

This will be the third time the Eagles have used the No.1 pick, having previously picked up dual premiership player Drew Banfield (1992) and former All-Australian ruckman Michael Gardiner (1996). However, the Eagles are likely to buck the minor trend unless they pull a shock move and pick Tigers utility Daniel Curtin with the first pick in the draft.

Curtin is almost certain to be picked inside the first half a dozen selections and was invited to the first night of the draft alongside Subiaco forward Koltyn Tholstrup.

We would want more than a future first for #6 but we should definitely consider any trade which gives a better long-term result. 

10 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

A lot of these players were recruited before the professional scouting standard of the modern game.

Lachie Neale you could understand had question marks due to height, but Jordan Dawson is a ripper pick at 56. 😳

Professional scouting is no where near as good as you suggest.

Take a look at the current top 50 players in the AFL (https://www.statsinsider.com.au/sport-hub/afl/player-ratings) and where they were drafted. The draft will always be very inefficient because we select players when their bodies are not yet mature and junior footy is so much inferior to AFL.

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Can someone please give a summary on Melbourne?

 

MELBOURNE

Draft picks after trade period: 6, 11, 42, 93

Melbourne has moved their pick 14 to pick 11 during the trade period, giving the club two of the first dozen selections heading into November. The club is considering making a play for pick 1, having shown interest in Harley Reid. However, other clubs are better placed to twist West Coast's arm. If it holds pick 6, Melbourne could consider mid-sized marking forward Nate Caddy, gun onballer Ryley Sanders, hard-running wingman Darcy Wilson, and key defender Ollie Murphy. The Demons also have access to father-son Kynan Brown, a potential late selection.

Do the finals count in this?

1 hour ago, Deemac said:

I can see us trading 6-11 for dursma I hope it’s worth it

I think we would want another late first round or early second round pick. 

7 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Who says no???

Melb swap 6,11, F1 for 3 and 18 (or 15/17)

That looks a bad deal for us. Effectively swapping Curtain plus #11 & F1 for Duursma plus #18. It puts a lot of value of the upgrade.

1 hour ago, The Lobster Effect said:

If we get to draft night and the picks order hasn't changed and West Coast gets Reid at Pick 1, and then it comes to Pick 6 and Curtins still on the board, if West Coast offered their 2024 first round pick for it would you take it?

I.e we'd have a higher pick next year (pick 1 or 2) but would miss getting a year of development in for a player this year...

We would want more than a F1.

A good deal might be WCE F1, and pick swaps for F2 & F3 plus #23 in this year's draft.

19 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Did Lamb say that?

I thought we would use 6 and 11 and K. Brown F/S with our last.

14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I can't argue, because I haven't seen enough of him.

I don't agree however that we have enough depth in the key backs, as May is nearing the end, Tomlinson will go next year, Adams is not a certainty to make AFL standard and that leaves us only Turner at 193 cms, not the biggest of key defenders to play on the Lynch, Hawkins types.

Petty who is now a forward, could also be gone next year.

If we take a young key defender in the draft that would be good, but he may need a couple of years to be ready for the AFL. 

We played two or three defenders each week this year, so key defenders are only 9-15% of the players in the 23. So I think we have about the right number on the list, especially given there is evidence that Petty and/or JVR can go back.

We are better off focusing on drafting high quality players at any position and trading next year to keep the balance in our list. I also don't think you need to plan too far ahead given the amount of player movement these days. We have another window before 2025 if we have an issue.

Anyway, it looks like we will not be taking three picks in the draft according to Tim Lamb.

13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

K. Turner played 6 games for Casey and is 6 years younger than Declase was.

Not sure how many games Declase played for Casey.

With issues with Joel Smith that might help him.

K Turner's kicking looks below the level required IMO. We already have a lot of depth in the key backs plus we are good chance to pick up another tall defender (O'Sullivan or Curtain).

3 hours ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I sense that getting Billings would represent a concession that we’re unlikely to be able to pick up Harley Reid in this draft.

Not sure if means anything on our chances of moving up to get Reid.

I assume we will want to slide our pick in the 40s lower and/or give up a future fourth round pick for Billings, as we need to preserve our future second and third round picks in order to be allowed to trade our future first round pick. Picking up Billings might mean that we think Kynan Brown is only worth a rookie pick, as we might not have enough senior list spots.

Just now, binman said:

Or perhaps free up salo to play as a mid/high half forward/utility type?

I think Salem is a high half back only. It is the easiest position on the ground and suits his exceptional ability to read the play and hit targets.

He does not have the engine required to play ANB's role or play wing and I don't think he is big enough or quick enough to play inside midfield.

I could see Billings being used off half back if Salem cannot regain form next year.

Chocko will straighten him out 😉

Good news is he is able to play golf after his foot injury. 

1 hour ago, The heart beats true said:

Why? 

NRL is playing matches in Las Vegas that weekend. 

3 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Maybe I'm the only one that can actually see where Cornes is coming from?

All he's saying is that that now would be the perfect opportunity to cash in with the Crows instead of end of 2025 when they will be deep in finals contention and not have the luxury of having the early first round picks as they do now.

At the end of the day it only works if Petty advises Melbourne that he wants to go home and the Dees think that the Crows early picks are a suitable trade. That hasn't happened and the club has stated that Petty won't be traded, so all good.

It's amazing how some just see the name Kane Cornes and get triggered so easily.. 😅

A premiership in the bush is worth two in the outback!

At $800k, Darling holds negative trade value. 

You don’t trade very good players who are under contract at less than their worth unless you get a massive overs.

The draft is a lottery and good recruiting teams can find players without premium picks. 

Pick #10 and McAdam is not a good trade for Petty anyway. Sure Harry McKay and Dangerfield were Pick #10s, but so were Zach Reid, Lochie O'Brien, Cockatoo, Freeman, Sumner and Gorringe.

Petty is a very good player on a good contract (from MFC's point of view). We should hold him unless they pay a king's ransom

1 hour ago, clarrypetracca135 said:

Is it a risk picking up Nate Caddy as that would be 3 talls in 3 years. though when you look at our 2021 flag talls, jackson has left, t mac is old, benny is past his prime and injury ridden and may only has a few years left? I reckon we should pick him up as he is versitile and with pick ten i reckon we pick up a guy who will start his career in the foward and then move to the mid( a bit like trac)

Ps did anyone else realise caddy averages 2.7 goals a game

Caddy looks like he will be a hybrid forward but could end up developing into an inside midfielder.

Jefferson has shown little to suggest he will be an AFL footballer IMO.

3 minutes ago, Demonland said:

The results of this poll are 🤯

Petty has to be the most underrated player in the competition!

Any Petty trade significantly reduces our current window while Max and May are still elite AFL players. I would only consider Thilthorpe plus all their first rounders.