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Actually the articles by the "real" journalists at the Age seemed pretty complimentary & objective, but "Carro's contribution to "journalism" compares favourably with Channel 7's "current affairs" program. 

I do not think it is in her DNA to say anything positive about Melbourne FC.

Actually I feel that Collingwood should have to pay Gus' contract out of their "Player payments"  with no salary cap relief considering what they got away with.

Cannot comprehend the love for Lever. His failure to contest is the weakness in his game and gets exposed when May is not there.

Otherwise it wa hard to do justice to the all round effort by all the players.

Oliver

Gawn

May

Mc Donald

Petracca

CHandler

Clarrie is not old enough for Geelong to recruit !!!

No....they are being built for concerts i.e. like Baseball stadia because we are continually trying to be American

Up until just before 3/4 time I think Kozzie thought he was 195cm ,trying to take marks in packs. Stayed on the ground and he would have kicked 5

Great to get a win in Round 1. Good start to the season !!

Not Naughton , hardly saw him today. Could replace Brown when he retires 

Give it a rest . He has probably worked harder than a lot of players . Good luck to him.

Besides he probably has more brains in his left foot than most of his perennial critics!!

On 16/02/2023 at 16:55, Redleg said:

Wow, 3 AFL great players on a school football coaching panel.

Unbelievable.

Yes, and there are a lot of schools who cannot afford proper facilities. The amount these blokes earn should be deducted from Govt Grants !!

3 hours ago, Nascent said:

Any other alternatives we might be looking at?

Pleeeeeeze get someone who can kick straight !!!!

A few posters on this thread seem to think people are commodities.

TMac has been part of the backbone of MFC through thick and thin . We must be a Club who bind through loyalties and I feel some posters do not seem to have a loyal bone in their bodies !  I  recognise that both of them are in the twilight of their careers (bodywise), lets shwo some sembalance of respect !!!

43 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Ugh you just think of moments where the pies could have been beaten but they annoyingly held on.

I thought they wouldn't have enough goal kicking power to win especially when McStay went out, presumed Brisbane had the better forward set up but stupid hipwood couldn't kick. 

At least Brisbane can go home and escape this, we have to hear about it until next year

It wasn't his kicking, but his lack of getting the ball !!

A bit harsh on Sparrow. After McVee the biggest improver of the year.

Plus we always knew Rivers was coming !!!

1 hour ago, poita said:

That's what happens when you ignore the draft for multiple years. 2016 - 2018 in our case.

And too many fringe players given long term deals, eg Spargo and Chandler, presumably to push salary cap issues down the road. 

Not every player is a star (at AFL Level) .

The cadets are Woewodin,Turner ,Laurie ,Howes

The Gunners . Spargo ,Chandler,  Tomlinson & Jordon come into that category.

The Bombadiers (one step up) are Sparrow,Bowey,Pickett,McVee, , The seargents are ANB, Hunter , Langdon & Lever

The Seargent majors (who really run the show) are Jack Viney & Steve May

The Looeys : Rivers, Fritsch & JVR

Captain : Gus

Half Colonels  Oliver

Generals : Maximillius & Trac

 An army cannot have too many generals, Colonels etc because the mundane things in the "battle" are mostly done on the front. The quality of the leaders have a great impact, BUT so do the work of the Gunners.

Point of this is that the role of everyone makes a Unit

5 hours ago, JimmyGadson said:

Which is why I said he needs to apply himself. 

Everyone knows when a player is doing everything they can to get in the best shape possible. You only have to look at Oliver and Petracca's body transformation to see this. They're both the ultimate professionals when it comes to training and diet and both have extremely low body fat percentage. 

Brayshaw and Salem both need to take a leaf. Salem will never have the running capacity of Langdon, but neither did Brayshaw and he has played a significant amount of footy on the wing. So I disagree with the idea that Salem can't. It's up to him, he needs to get his body right and we need to see a physical change. Similar to Lewis and Hodge in their later careers. Drop some kg's, improve your diet and you'll cover the ground better. 

Salem played a lot of his underage footy at half forward and wing and I think he's just being wasted at half back right now and a new positional change could get him going. 

Look across the competition and not every winger can run like Langdon and not every one needs to depending on how they're utelised. 

Bit harsh on Salem ,he was pretty crook earlier in the year.

Brayshaw will never win the Stawell Gift, but IS a footballer and is FLEXIBLE. HBF,Midfield,HFF .How many times does he appear in defence. He reads the game.

At this stage it seems we have:

• complete control of the draft
• a new rule to have 25 players on the ground
• a millions $ for Lynch (who is more than mature)
• Naughton who is suddenly going to consistently take marks AND is going to 100% cure his goal kicking  plus would cost the Southern Stand if we were silly enough to take him.
• that Van Royen is a spud and Petty has retired

 The simple solution is ...........

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

we're in the 'win now' phase of our current list build; the notion of trading salem or langdon is absurd

we don't need to replace our experienced players - particularly those like salem who are theoretically our most skilled players by foot - with speculative draft picks

Agree wholeheartedly. Choi (who is handy),was playing VFL at the weekend and some are speculating that he is our potentially great saviour. There is a reason he is not a lock at both Richmond & GCS

1 hour ago, ElDiablo14 said:

This is what dreams are made of... but hard to see how we could get either of Lynch or Naughton.

Do not want either,one sulks too easily and the other only wants to jump on peoples heads. Forget the magic "expensive" recruit  !!!

ANd forget about Lever as Captain. He would be waving instructions to everyone and sometimes doesn't follow them himself

5 hours ago, mo64 said:

Where do you start? Even if we won last night, it would have been painting over the cracks. Aside from our top end talent and foot soldiers, we have no obvious depth.

At the start of the year we traded for Grundy, who can't take a contested mark, so it was pretty obvious our gameplan to bomb into the forward line would continue. Took us half a season to work it out, but then lose Petty and Melksham. IMO, our season was done once those 2 went down.

Tim Lamb and Jason Taylor need to be held accountable. Why are we bringing in mature aged players like Dunstan and Schache when we have no intention of playing them, even when a like for like gets injured. And we need to do a better job of extending contracts for fringe players like T Mac and Spargo. They become list cloggers.

Aside from McAdam, go to the draft and get the best kids.

And pray that JVR and Petty stay fit all next year.

Agree with some of the statements, BUT

• Melsham (Damn) is on his way out account age, BUT could make a great Forward Coach
• TMac (one of my favourites) unfortunately is a bit "banged up" account of his role as a team player.
• Brown , I think we saw the best of him in 2021
• Lets give some credit to Spargo (his efforts, particularly in the 3rd Q proved he is more than a list clogger) were OUTSTANDING. It is players like he and ANB who give everything for the team and bring a lot to the table. Imagine if Kossie had their workrate. . 
• Rivers is only half way developed (Could be anything !!) Build his tank and he could be a devastating HBF or Wingman.
• JVR & McVee are still development players (1st year) Bowey is filling Salems role. But maybe trying to outmark Pettonet might be a stretch too far. Chandler has developed this year because he has been given a better run at it
• Sparrow is probably (apart from the immediate above)  our most improved player this year. With confidence he could take some of the heavy work off Viney
• Gus....Some posters rubbish him , but he is the link person  every top side needs:  Grand Final , Clarrie's absence etc show just how valuable he is to our structure (allows Tracc to play forward.)
• Max is a generational player, but needs an apprentice !!
• Stephen May (see above) But Petty cannot be at both ends of the ground !!
• Turner, Woewodin, Laurie plus a few others will present themselves next year because they have had a taste (albeit small of what is required. Plus there are few kids @ Casey  knocking at the door.
• Be careful about thinking that a magic recruit is going to change the whole place around . We have enough stars, just need to lift the quality of the foot soldiers.
• Have not mentioned Tracc or Oliver because they are the  fifth gear we need ( ala Cripps & Walsh)
• Let us not throw the baby out with the bathwater by incessant criticism of "fringe" players

We have two tall forwards ,but they were not playing ( JVR & Petty) . Had a strong sensible mid (Gus), not playing. Rivers will develop into a great HBF (Like Rioli).

Kozzie will learn !!!

We need a Petty in defence & trade Lever !!! (He was terrific for the first 15 minutes tonight but.....then turned into a traffic cop. May is the cornerstone of our defence so we need another May !!

Spargo,ANB, more of please !!

2 hours ago, picket fence said:

Turner, Fumbly on occasions

Bit harsh only a 2nd or 3rd game (after injury in his first). O thought he did not look overawed and shwoed a lot of potential (and I am not his Aunty!!)

Bill Laurie has shown enormous improvement. Give him a few more games and he will be very handy

3 hours ago, Nascent said:

Grundy, pick 5 and future 1st for Allen and see if they bite. 

They won't.

We have been developing Van Royen and apparently there are a couple in the 2's . Let's work on what we have or can develop. If I was VanRoyen and got shafted for Koschitzke , I would be a bit dark. We lost Bedford with our impatience and to be honest I think he has developed this year ,so much so, I think he is a better long term bet than Hunter.

1 hour ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

What he said.   And re McGovern (190/96), we need to go to the draft for a gorilla in training to replace May.   Unless a team needs a salary dump. Turner and co. are rather slight.

Just let the kids grow .......they will fill out and be terrific if managed properly. We have been spoilt with the young people we have brought along over the last few years : i.e. Bowey (Salem Jnr), Rivers ("Daniel RIoli "  Jnr), Jarrod McVee ( Tony Hardiman Jnr), Van Royen (Jonathan Brown Jnr), Sparrow (Viney's Love child ) , Kozzie (Jnr Wizz) , Spargs and Chandler plus Wowo Jnr. And that is just the ones I know about !!!

All is good in the village !!!

How can McVee be a Category A Rookie and be playing every game. Surely he should be a "must" sign person ??

(This is written as an informational query not a comment ).