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I spoke to some jake's family today and they said that dean bailley had impressed jake during the interview at draft camp and that the demons was his preference

If we do draft him he will take three years to develop. The most promising of the talls in my opinion, but will take some time.

I was hoping the club picked him up along with Blease last year, so I was pretty happy when the club drafted them both. I watched a game in the VFL last season where Casey played at Williamstown, really liked what I saw of him including a 60 meter bomb for goal. He's struggled with knee and shoulder injuries this year from what I've been told/heard, so I think once he has a full pre-season where he can stay fit we will see a fair bit more of his potential. I see him as a half back flanker that can rotate through the middle if needed. He has a pretty good aerobic capacity also so this should allow him to be utilized as a mid when needed.

The only doubts I have on him are his handballing decisions in close. The reason I say this is, last year I watched him in a practice match at Casey and he coughed it up under pressure a couple of times across half back by hand. I'm pretty sure that was due to the speed of the game and him getting used to the pace of AFL level and the fact that as a young bloke your always learning to try and take the right option. Overall I think he will come good provided he gets a clear run with injuries and that he continues to learn more about the inside side of his game. Hopefully he will play 150 games plus in the red n blue.

But would he beat Freak in a beep test?

Pretty similar to mine, I had Jones in. Do you think he will be off-loaded sometime?

Matty Warnock is 26 next year believe it or not!

Reckon Graeme Yeats is a bit stiff to miss out on a spot. Terrific back pocket.

thats a good side,go demons,wonder dog thinking about a flag next year.

Would have included the Duke Spalding, Alan Johnson and started Yze on a wing, but otherwise a good effort.

I dont know about anyone else, but MFC supporters i talk to say our midfield have played better this year than last year & the midfielders say he has been a huge help.

He was a great teacher to the young Bulldog players in his last years. Says to me his is a very good man to have at the club.

Please note West is not I repeat not our midfield coach. Mark Williams has the job and is assisted by West.

Nice thoughts mate. I agree with everything you said about 'Wheels' He should have been in our 150 Legends. A great role model for ALL players in the club. Not just the indigenous ones.

My favourite player over the past 20 years, just pipping the Wiz. In his prime rarely beaten, tough to a point of being kamikazie, Melbourne's best tackler and clean with both hand and foot. Cruelled by injury particularly in 2000 and I think 2002. Here's hoping there is some role for you in the club in the future.

I have been following this kid for a while. Has an incredible build but in my opinion is raw and lacks polish. With that said could be a champion but I prefer others including Dustin Martin from Castlemaine as well as Scully and Trengove.

maybe it's the Buddy thing but I can't help wondering what Strawbs O'Dwyer did to get rubbed out of the '88 Grand Final.

Maybe this is one for WJ but can anyone who can remember fill me in?

How bad was it?

How many weeks did he get?

Would he have been rubbed out of a GF if he played for Colingwood?

Funny thing about recollections. I thought he whacked the current Planning Minister in a ruck duel!

I am making a case forward for DUSTIN MARTIN who plays for bendigo pioneers/ vic. country.

gee this kid seems underated ??

have not seen much press or a case being made since trengove hit the scene ,but this kid is a gun.

He has been single handedly holding his own tac side together.

his stats have been as good as scully's. with more b.o.g.'s

IN TAC CUP. d.martin has averaged 26.6 disposals in 10 games ;;played 11 but( 1 game injured )

he was no "1" best in 4 games , and 1 each of 2nd, 3rd & 4th best..out of 10 games playing for a bottom club ie; flower esq.

in the u 18's champs.for vic.country he averaged 21.4 disposals with a ,ke. of 63% & de. 68%.

(kicks effective= ke%; disp.effective= de% )

went inside 50 on 27 occasions ,he is a solid taller attacking onballer who kicks both feet.

best on ground with 28 disposals against WA in grand final game at edihad..who were u18 champs.

all australian;picked in centre..( how he did not get MVP for vic country bemuses to the extreme)

garry rohan got mvp with 12 ave. disposals

whereas "scully" played 6 games for his tac club.dandy. he averaged 26.3 disposals.

was "1" best only once for dandy stingrays with one each of a 2nd ,4th & 6th best..

his stats for u18's champs were 25.4 ave disposals with a ke. 61% & de. 76%.

and mvp for vic/metro.- ALL AUSTRALIAN. r/r

OBVIOUS GUN AND NO 1.

and lastly "TRENGOVE" u18's champs.had 22.8 disposals ave.

with a ke.70% & a de. 72%.

and MVP FOR SA.AND please note he has mentioned in interview how he would like to stay in his home state of SA.

probable no 2 pick but !!!can u envisage him spending the next 10 years away from his home ???

is an obvious quality kid and any club and supporter would be rapt to have but is he a risk of doing a "thompson" ??

no problem with one D.MARTIN WANTING TO GO ANYWHERE BUT VICTORIA..

will be very interested on how he is rated by prendy and clubs generally..

just a bit of by play for anyone who was interested and unaware ..

Votes please 6,5,4,3,2,1

6. Bate

5. Jones

4. Dunn

3. McDonald

2 Petterd.

1. McNamara

Please cast your votes ...

6,5,4,3,2,1

6 Aaron Davey

5 Cameron Bruce

4 Jack Grimes

3 Col Sylvia

2 James Frawley

1 Nate Jones

While it is tempting I would still pick a mid and a key position with the first two picks and get another mid with pick 19 or whatever it is. Garland, when fit, can pinch hit forward or back depending on form/injuries etc.

6, 5, 4 , 3, 2, 1 go

6 Jones

5 Moloney

4 Johnson

3 Morton

2 Bruce

1 Davey

I WAS RIGHT! I told u all 2.5 wks ago he was injured and noone believed me!

Flikker op, occo, you are a [censored] of the highest order.

Bit hard for Tom to get a game at the moment with Garland, Warnock, Rivers, Martin etc occupying the key defensive positions.

quite simply he's playing because Jake cant !! No a resounding endorsement is it !!

Could be an Isaac Weetra scenario mark II. Played for the sake of playing.

Fair enough. I've never actually seen Newton play or train.

I think a bit of aggro is fine if it doesn't affect his performance & isn't a result of a poor performance.

But it sounds like it may be just that.

We shall see.

Regarding Newton, I remember a Sandy game a couple of years back where he told Paul Wheatley to go and get effed after Wheatley tried to tell him he should have done the team thing.

And the guys who have been below their best for a while, will need to rekindle some of their prev form/potential.

I take your point about watts and yes on paper he is probably in the top 3-4 without playing a game. But for 09 his impact on the game will likely be measured thus we need to look at others for 09.

Moloney, Rivers, Brock, sylvia etc are the others. If these 4 all play 20+ games and stay fit we will be a lot more competative then what people think.

If it is truly 'best' to worst it should look like this:

1 Jared Rivers

2 Brock McLean

3 Brad Green

4 James McDonald

5 Matthew Whelan

6 Russell Robertson

7 Aaron Davey

8 Paul Johnson

9 Brad Miller

10 Paul Wheatley

11 brent Moloney

12 Colin Sylvia

14 nathan Jones

15 Matthew Bate

16 Matthew Warnock

17 Simon Buckley

18 Cale Morton

19 Clint Bartram

20 Austin Wonaemirri

21 Daniel Bell

22 Lynden Dunn

23 Mark Jamar

24 Simon Buckley

25 Michael Newton

26 Ricky Petterd

27 Addam Maric

28 Stefan Martin

29 Jack Grimes

30 James Frawley

31 Kyle Cheney

32 Tom McNamara

33 John Meesen

Based on potential:

1 Jack Watts

2 Cale Morton

3 Jack Grimes

4 Col Sylvia

5 Brock McLean

6 Col Garland

7 Ricky Petterd

8 Tom McNamara

9 Addam Maric

10 Sam Blease

11 James Strauss

12 Jamie Bennell

13 matthew Bate

14 James Frawley

15 Stef Martin

16 Simon Buckley

17 Michael Newton

18 John Meeson

19 Austin Wonaemirri

20 Kyle Cheney

Played an intra club game last night and his kicking was disgraceful according to a couple of Eagle scribes.

Schuey, as he is a Melbourne supporter!

Big Red, I think your backline is a bit tall! You gotta have Wheels there. He is hard, disposal excellent and rarely beaten one-on-one. Apart from that he can run and carry and leads by example. Other than that only three key defenders are necessary so one of Garland, Frawley, Martin or Rivers misses out. Other than that is looks good!

B Garland Martin Wheatley

HB Rivers Frawley Green

C Buckley McLean Morton

HF Sylvia Miller Davey

F Watts Newton Wonaeamirri

Fol Jamar Bruce McDonald

Int Johnson Jones Dunn Grimes

Emg: Maric, Petterd, Whelan

This is the line up I would like to see round 1. Just some clarifications prior to being chastised:

I do not rate Bate, Bartram, Bell and Moloney and believe other players should be played in their place if we are to improve our ladder position. Yes they will have good days but their decision making and disposal will let us down more often than not. The same could be said for players such as Buckley or Bruce but the positives with both players outweigh the negatives for mine.

I rate Whelan as a footballer but believe he is very limited in his role as a back pocket and would prefer to see more versatile players such as Garland or Wheatley fill that role where required. His body is also a risk and I would prefer to see other players advance ahead of him this season.

I doubt Robertson will be available for round 1 and am doubtful he will get even close to his best until mid season if it all. We need to push games into Newton and see if he has the attitude to make it. I am confident that we will play Watts early on as well if he shows anything during the preseason matches.

I am sure at least one of the first or second year players will stand out in the NAB matches and obviously this will change once players are seen in match conditions.

Pretty sure that's incorrect.

Hawthorn were the ones in financial troubles during those times.

Correct! Under Ridley we had reserves of 3 or 4 million from memory. In my opinion it was Szondy and subsequent admins that sent us broke.

I wouldn't, at least not for a pick in the 70s.

Some of the guys mentioned in this thread might be in trouble at the end of next year, but there's only so many old and non-performing players you can remove from a list in two years. We've retired, traded or de-listed Bizzell, Bode, Brown, Ferguson, Godfrey, Holland, Johnstone, Neitz, Neville, Pickett, Ward, Weetra, White and Yze, plus hopefully Carroll, since the end of 2007 ... that's fifteen players.

Suggesting Whelan be delisted is among the stupidist ideas I've heard. He is tough, can tackle properly, is rarely beaten on-on-one, and hits targets when he gets rid of the pill.

Shows more leadership in his left nut than Bruce ever will. Make him captain until Brock grows up.

Cliche-ridden drivel delivered by a hack journo.

Nothing new apart from toying with the idea of changing the jumper. What a great move that would be with our club's heritage.

I for one embrace our stereotype. I love that we are modest, thoughtful and seemingly aloof. We have an air of superiority about us and a level of intelligence that the average Narre Warren living Collingwood supporter will never understand.

Let's not become toothless ignoramuses under the guise of being passionate.

In the 50s we did have great players, so did Richmond in the 70s, Carlton in the 80s. It's a different era. Nothing wrong with the way Lyon, Schwarz, jacovich, Farmer, Davey, Viney, Neitz, Robertson, Sean Charles, Whelan, Woewodin et al play(ed).

Our time will come, we just have to hang in there.

Frawley Carroll Holland

Bartram Miller Whelan

Davey McLean Jones

Moloney Robbo Newton

Green Neitz Yze

White Bruce Junior

I/C Petterd Maric Dunn P Johnson Bell Rivers Buckley Jamar

Pretty 'big' squad so one imagines Frawley, Holland, Jamar won't play and question marks over Bartram, Whelan possibly Maric.

Decent side, albeit on the slow side.