ElDiablo14

The quiet and nervous crowd tells you all you need to know about these 2 teams... Very poor footy.

4 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I never said we aren’t contenders. I said that in our current form we aren’t contenders and that things need to change if we are to win. 
In fact in the same post that you quoted I said that we deserve to be a successful club!

Your history lesson is a good one. What it shows is that those teams improved dramatically in order to then go on to win the flag. They didn’t just repeat their mediocre form all season and then somehow had a flag fall in their lap. 
 

But apparently to suggest that we need to improve in key areas in order to win is being negative and hysterical, not pragmatic or realistic. 
 

I love this club, but I’m not blind to its faults. We are seeing our own history from last season repeat itself. We seem to have not improved in the areas that hurt us last season either.
To bury your head in the sand and say oh we only lost our last two games by 11 points, is to paper over the cracks in a very convenient way to the narrative that we all so desperately want to believe, which is that things will get better and we will win the flag in 2023. 
I hope more than anything that you’re right, but without change I can’t see it happening. 

Whatever happened to the date and run the team showed in the two pre-season games?

I had very high hopes that are now dead.

I will still be there supporting the team but it's getting very frustrating and hard to sit in front of the TV or attending the games.

6 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

There is also this weird notion here that because we aren’t the laughing stock we once were, we have no right to be annoyed about a loss. After all, we once would lose by 10 goals and finish bottom 4, so we should just be grateful every day that we are not that bad anymore. 

It’s such a loser mentality. We deserve to be a successful club and we deserve to be contenders. To be happy with anything less than that, is to be happy with mediocrity, which with our current list, is not where we should be. 

Yep, supporters mentality must change. We now have a champion team, and unfortunately that means we should expect the best performance from this group every single game.

I am not saying the playing group has to be perfect and go 23-0 every year But it does mean that you expect them to show real care, hunger and determination even when things are not going your way.

We can lose, any team loses. It's the way you lose and how those "learnings" (my most despised word) don't seem to come to fruition, feel like empty words from the coach sometimes.

3 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

It's great to be positive but freo are not a good side. They lost to norf at home.

What will actually happen when we play a good side is a real concern.

 

Yep, on current form Collingwood will smash us in a very ugly way. 🤢

3 hours ago, Redlagged said:

Didn't take a minute to realise this post is laughable. Stupid. Geelong lost again. Sack Scott.

Well Scott has them playing finals and top 4 year in year out. The way things are looking today we may struggle to make the 8. If this becomes another wasted year... How are we going to feel about the whole thing?

2 minutes ago, Redlagged said:

Yep. 2 losses on the trot and the coach is suddenly hopeless. Smart.

It's not about these 2 losses. 

That's why I made my point about his whole tenure. Go ahead and check seasons 2017 - 2023 and rate each one, how many would you consider successful?

This year is starting to feel like the second half of last year.

12 minutes ago, sisso said:

I must be the only one who thinks just coz we’re lost a couple of close games it’s not season over….the boys can lift 

We said this after Brisbane, then after Essendon, then after Port,.... It's like the Groundhog day!

Just give a chance to Disco Turner, Laurie or any of the other midfielders in Casey.

Maybe Sasche or Melksham.

If we are not going to be serious about contending for a flag at least lest develop some young talent.

A couple of weeks ago a Pies supporter told me Goodwin is not a great coach, almost saying he was lucky to have a flag and overrated.

I actually tried to defend Goodwin's coaching and told him about how good his defensive structures are and how the players believed in him, almost like a father figure.

I am now starting to believe that what my Pies colleague said is true, Goodwin is overrated. I started to go through all the seasons we have been under his wing, lots of wasted seasons and missed opportunities (see 2017 and 2020).

I still believe we have a top 5 list, is the coach good enough for this list?

Where would you place Goodwin among all the current AFL coaches? Top 6? Not even top 8?

6 minutes ago, praha said:

We are 14 wins 19 losses in games decided by 10 points or less under Goodwin.

Lack of mental fortitude in our players? Or is the coach not doing the right things when the going gets tough?

When are we going to question our premiership coach? Or does he get a free pass by merit of 2021?

I believe this season is cooked, can't see any ingenuity or dare from this coach to try and change the momentum of this team. I hope I am wrong though.

If we fail this year, that's already 5 wasted seasons by Goodwin (2017, 2019, 2020, 2022 & 2023), is this acceptable?

You could argue 2017 they were too young, 2019 all the injuries. But what about 2020, 2022 and this year?

2 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

Such a waste of talent? Waste of a list? I think not. Our list is overrated. We will lose the next 3 on the trot and topple out of the 8 and will fight to make it back in given the difficulty of our draw.

Our game plan and structure is soo pathetically bad it’s predictable how sides will continue to cut us up in the middle. 

I’m going to sleep. Wake me up in another 57 years please. 

It is a waste IMO. The coaching group has stuffed things since middle last season.

I think at our best we can be top 4. However Goodwin is clearly an overrated coach, it looks like 2021 was his one magic year. I hope I am wrong but that's how I perceive him, and I am tired of the lessons and learnings.

Just like 70% of our players, I am starting to feel apathy about our season. I just don't care what happens next week.

I don't know if I will even watch the game.

Good thing I am going overseas very soon.

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I would like an apology from the poster on here who said I was being dramatic when I said post game last week that our season was tittering on the brink.

Oliver is our most important player by a fair margin. Even with him in the side we can barely win the ground ball or get a meaningful clearance anymore. I don’t think we will win a game now until he’s back in the side, unless something very drastic changes. 
 
Blues are under the pump, Pies will have an easy kill and Geelong in Geelong will be a one sided affair. Losing him and Petty could not have come at a worse time, but a good team learns to overcome. We are obviously not a good team right now. 

Don't forget Petty.

Today Petty plays in the back and Freo kicks at least 3 less goals. Freo is very ordinary.

14 minutes ago, BDA said:

This thread was great fun for a while but has turned into a sick joke

We can only blame Goodwins lack of control of a list that should be fighting for top 2 week in and week out. We are our worst enemy.

1 minute ago, Clintosaurus said:

Exactly.

And would people STFU about Collingwood. Pies this, Pies that....

Well unfortunately Pies are us in 2021, clear flag favourites. You want a flag, you have to beat them at their own game or devise a plan to neutralize theirs.

We are middle of the pack at the moment, putrid.

1 minute ago, layzie said:

Some dude was just chanting "Freo" and someone yelled out to go home to which he replied "I am home, I live in Fitzroy" to anyone that wanted to listen. 

Ie. Why are there so many Freo fans here?

Perth people living in Melbourne .

Who in his right mind would follow a basket case team like Freo, an interstate one .

Excellent we not only damage this season but even our draft pick , what a pathetic bunch honestly.

1 hour ago, Hawny for Gawny said:

Idk if I agree, I’d happily take a King brother, Curnow, Hawkins and a couple others 

Hawkins too old

1 minute ago, Docs Demons said:

Yep our skills are terrible. Handballs and short kicking going astray. Need to rectify in the 2nd half or we are in big trouble. We also over use the ball when under pressure instead of getting a quick kick into the forwards. Hate to be a forward in this team.

You wonder what they do over the preseason? Plenty of time to work on skills...🤔🤔🤔

Just now, dees189227 said:

And tried to take a mark 1 hander. He doesn't do enough 

He needs to be coached. 

Learn some more footy smarts Kozzy, stop trying to do the flashy stuff.

1 minute ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Worst half of footy for the year 

worst than v lions 

worst than v bombers 

worst than v port 

overhandballing is horrible 

ineffective inside 50

going wide going wide and wide 

Best. Ummm Trac and lots of others just going ok. 

Viney. Kozzzy. Chin. Do something!!! And Spargo is a negative 

What happened to Chandler? Is he being tagged? A shell of his former self, had a great 5-6 rounds to start the year.

Why does Kozzy seem to be on a rollercoaster every game?.

One spectacular goal, or play. Then 10 minutes of zero impact or involvement.

ANB needs to do more, I know there's a lot of love for him on Demonland. I just can't see the value he adds to our list and overall gameplan.

Just now, Gawndy the Great said:

Outside Curnow, wouldn’t touch any of em. McKay maybe if Carlton pay 300k of his salary.

The guy can't kick a goal to save his life though.