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6 hours ago, Lucifers Hero said:

May not be in theory but Freo intend to play Jackson as a fwd so he is a Lobb replacement in practice. 

Bell even said we didn't use him enough as a fwd and our game style didn't suit him as a fwd.  They intend to change his role to be predominately a fwd.  Not sure how Jackson will like that...

Don’t disagree with these comments from Bell. 

Although Jacko generally didn’t perform as a fwd for us, the whole kick to the boundary game plan with a congested fwd 50 didn’t do him any favours. 

he was also our 3rd sometimes 4th target. Be interesting how he goes as main or 2nd target. 

But Jacko has said on many occasions that he prefers ruck or around the ball. 
 

21 hours ago, kev martin said:

It was a bit tongue in cheek from Goody.

He was running at the back of the pack during laps and Goody wanted him to be leading them round. Expecting and pushing to achieve more.

His response was to move into the centre and on the outside (running extra meters) of the pack.

He is looking strong, fit and appears setting himself for a big year. Beautiful handling and kicking of the ball during sims, also had plenty of run in him. Becoming a good tactician, in that he set up a few plays off the back area. Looks like he could be working for a mid position. 

Kozzy, Trac, Oliver starting mids, with Viney on rotation would be magnificent if Kozzy can step up

19 hours ago, Rocknroll said:

Check these stats out, BP means best player

wtf happened against Euroa?

With “Oliver” as your name, I expect better :) 

3 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Yeah they do. Hate to say it but most of them speak better than Clayton Oliver. 

I know these boys are happy to go anywhere but you just want one to get that look on his face as if to say I don't want to go there. Dam

Or “I am a bit flat GC picked me up. But all good, I will see if we can do a deal with the Dees in a couple of years” 

7 hours ago, Redleg said:

Adonski saying we have offered Bombers 3 firsts for 4 & 22.

Assume it’s Phillipou, what are your thoughts?

Then maybe 37 and 22 for 19 from GWS.

Got some mail it’s Humphrey, but not long to wait now, either way. 

On 11/24/2022 at 11:05 AM, JimmyGadson said:

Toumpas is a clone of Nick Daicos. 

They have extremely similar attributes and physical makeup.

The only differences were that Toumpas was brought into a rabble of a club, played his first year under Neeld with a limited pre-season due to groin issues and the weight of supporter expectations clearly got the better of him too.

Can you imagine if he was brought into the side now?

He'd have been given the entire first year to develop at VFL level due to his limited workload, he'd be given a defined role in a top two VFL side which has a fantastic culture and he would have been brimming with confidence coming into his first game.

I often think of the amount of high end talent we had during those years, and how different it would have been had they been brought in to our club now. Not saying all would have gone on to be superstars but clearly they were at such a shocking disadvantage as soon as they stepped through the door.

The comparison to where we are now is crazy.

 

The culture/environment issue you talk about is relevant for Jack Watts and a few others.

But Jimmy T, Cale Morton and the like were just dud picks.

if he was a clone of Daicos he would have gone on to play some great footy post Melb, of which he did not. 
 

1 hour ago, 58er said:

I know we got a project ruck the other day but RCD is about 3 years ahead of him. and might be worth a crack to support Maxy Brodie and Schachey

Maybe givey Riley a goey as a rookie!!

RCD is a skinny midfielder. Definitely not ruck or key position. 
 

11 hours ago, Demon17 said:

Great summary of Lyon and esp about Lyon not being responsible for the Ratten decision.

The Board endorsed Ratten 10 weeks before sacking him.  And clearly from Basset's mealy-mouthed answers at yesterday's presser he was 'aware' Lyon was gettable so they may have pulled the trigger on that data. But he might have had deniabilty on talking to Lyon pre-Ratten sacking by  using 3rd party info . 

Shocking work by the Saints Board.

Lyon may suceed, who knows, but culture trumps everything else so let's see.

 

Bassat, a very successful man. And full respect to him. 

But I would put his voice in the top 5 most annoying voices of all time. 
 

18 hours ago, Jontee said:

So if the No vote succeeds we have gone through all this kerfuffle and $$$$$ for nothing.  Voting No doesn't get the No constitution up.  And I can go back to calling Kate Roffey Chairman?

This is so far from our core business of kicking it through the big sticks and will not do anything to improve our accuracy in front of goal.

 

Unless it’s the finer detail of the constitution running through Max’ mind when he is lining up for goal? 
 

25 minutes ago, layzie said:

I still think we can squeeze one more good year out of Ben Brown if he can stay healthy and we have help around him. 

I was thinking we should just target for him to be fit after the bye. Back in JVR/Petty for the first 10 or so rounds. 

15 hours ago, drysdale demon said:

I don't have any emotion in football, the only things I have feelings for is family, friends and the Australian Military. Every time you post something there is always criticism or pessimistic remarks attached.

I realize you are entitled to an opinion but as far as I am concerned your opinions are meaningless.

I would argue anyone who consistently posts on a football forum, has huge emotion for football. Just because you may not be aware of that emotion doesn’t mean it isn’t there. 
 

9 hours ago, Wodjathefirst said:

Agree. Backline has been very solid so don’t rob it to fix issues with the forwards.  
Mids also very solid when not plagued by injuries.  Just need to avoid getting  injured (luck plays a big part) remain fit, and rediscover their killer / domination instincts.  Win the contested footy and deliver it to our forwards quickly. 

Our forward line was our Achilles heel last year but not totally their fault. The delivery of the footy to them was not great. Appeared to be very one dimensional and slow.

Fingers crossed for TMac and BBB to overcome injuries and play out year. Time for JVR to strut his stuff on the big stage.  I believe Lachie Hunter is a blessing in disguise. Someone who has smarts and can deliver to the forwards.  Schache hopefully gets a new lease on life and becomes another forward option (or at worst a backup). And then lock it in there!

I think I’m an exception but I always liked big Max filling holes in the defence rather than playing forward.  I would even keep Grundy out of the forward line.  Just imagine our two big ruckmen either getting intercept marks or bringing the ball down to our advantage from the half back to half forward line.
Can we bring home the bacon? Bloody oath we can! Bring on 2023, I can hardly wait.

 

 

Most of the Dees people I trust most also think Max is best dropping back and helping with intercept marks. Very much like the great Jim Stynes use to do week in week out. 

He can then at times run forward of the ball and be a key target on the wings. Much depends on whether TMac gets back to his running best though. 
 

3 hours ago, 58er said:

Would Salem  be any good trying as a 4th mid? Hasn't  got pace but is quick to  move  ball on to his foot? Harmes is also no real difference but his tagging is desperately needed. Maybe a few Kossie stints on the ball are necessary. 

Some Salem rotations through the midfield is a great idea. Especially if Rivers, Bowey etc are back to their best and there is depth through his typical hbf position. 

He played some effective mid minutes in his first couple of seasons while he was still developing 

2 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

If Petty goes forward it looks shaky very quickly. 

Don’t think it will be an issue. There will be 2 key requirements for Petty to go forward

a) injury or form issues for at least 1 of TMac, BB or JVR

b) a Turner, Tomlinson, Smith absolutely banging the door down with form that demands them to be picked

2 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

We’ve made an exchange of Jackson for Grundy that might give us marginal to moderate short term improvement.

We’ve added Hunter for Hunt and Bedford. Not a bad move but we now have to replace some half back and small forward depth.

Significant bounce backs: Lever, Salem, Late season Gawn and Langdon, McDonald, ?Tomlinson ?BBB

Can they find another gear: Brayshaw, Harmes, Sparrow, JJ, Chandler, Spargo, ANB 

Natural improvement: Bowey, Pickett, Rivers, JVR, Turner (JJ, Sparrow, Chandler)

Surprise improvement candidates: Petty as a fwd, pick 13, Schache, J Smith, Howes, Laurie, Woey, Nizard

Areas for concern: lockdown back, tall back, tall forward

 

“Areas for concern:  tall back”

Is that a typo? We be best in the league for tall back’s I would have thought - both ability & depth 

49 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Ditch that Selwyn/Burgess fitness regime and we will be there. Flogging a horse to run hard only works for so long. No wonder Burgess only hangs around for a couple of seasons before moving on. He doesn’t want to be around when everything collapses. Like when Lyon coached the Dockers and Saints. Performed like a powerhouse for a couple of seasons before flaming out due to the players being pushed over the limit. He was unlucky not to get a flag like Goodwin did but we cant repeat the debacle of our second half of the season in 2023. We won’t build a dynasty with broken bodies. The penny dropped for Geelong and so should it for us. 

Rendell was saying the other day that it’s well known that teams fitness peaks after 2 years of the Burgess regime….as such he is predicting a big improvement from the Crows this year. 
 

1 hour ago, kallangurdemon said:

We have probably improved the list slightly .However our issue last year was the forward line especially the 2 key forward positions and that remains unsolved .The only clear change is Schace for Weideman which is underwhelming .A lot of pressure is now unfairly on JVR but if he doesnt come on it is difficult to see a premiership in 2023.

Either 2 of TMac, BB, or JVR are ready to rock for R1 or we should play Petty fwd. But just have a bad feeling Petty won’t even be tried forward. 
 

3 minutes ago, Deemania since 56 said:

Yes, JJ is a talent despite the negatives that have been previously mentioned. He - as a junior newbie - is coming along very nicely, thank you, orienting and selectively assessing what is happening on the field that can then lead him into an action; soon, these processes will be familiar to him and his responses can be expected to occur more quickly, more consistently and more effectively in the (several) roles and the couple of field positions that he is currently attempting to navigate. I reckon he is doing these team duties well, given such circumstances. JJ is going to be a reliably worthy team member.

JJ did well this year, given wing is probably not his best position. He was filling a need for the team - rather than playing a more inside type role which is his strength. 

Hopefully Hunter makes the wing his own, then the competition for spots on the flanks & mid rotations gets even more fierce. Be tough to fit all of Harmes, Sparrow, JJ and maybe even Chandler in the one team - who wants it more! 
 

52 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Useless and random fact here.

Tom Sparrow is currently dating Rod Owen's daughter Layla Owen.

Lets hope they move things along. 2040’ish draft here we come. 
 

1 minute ago, Maldonboy38 said:

I simply don't get it. He is an accumulator, but I have rarely seen him have a big impact, and I don't rate him much at all. Feels so much like the Dunstan trade of last year. I suppose on the + side, he is a left footer and has experience on the wing.

He seems like a small improvement when we have a heap of talent stuck at Casey, who can already provide what he provides (experience aside). 

It’s really simple - he is a top shelf kick & classy outside player. Something we are badly missing. Both in the AFL + VFL teams.

Dunstan is a poor kick, and we have heaps of players that have similar strengths to Dunstan - hence why he is just depth. 

If Hunter’s attitude / off-field improves (as it sounds like it will need to) - then the opposite wing to Langdon’s is his every week. With flexibility of moving him to hbf or hff when we want. 

2 minutes ago, layzie said:

Sounds like something will have to fall out of the clouds for this one to get done. 

Sounds more to me like dogs want him out, and we are leveraging a strong position by waiting until late 

2 minutes ago, Pipefitter said:

What picks have we got to satisfy this deal? That’s a great wing set up with Langdon.

If they are paying some of his salary we won’t be giving them much in the way of draft picks. Looks like final straw with Bevo and he wants him out 

3 minutes ago, deva5610 said:

So now the question is - Does he believe it or is he turning up the heat on the Doggies.

Yep, might be in our interests to wait until very late, and see just how badly the dogs want to move him on. 
 

Tim Lamb trade radio “we have spoken to Lachie but made no commitment. And the dogs haven’t made a commitment to let him go. In no man’s land at the moment. Unlikely to go through” 

7 minutes ago, layzie said:

Bruce or Schache who would you take?

Or Jake Riccardi