tincan

Here's their discussion of Hardwick if you want to see it:

On 5/9/2023 at 6:40 PM, JimmyGadson said:

Not sure why people are surprised.. 

As has been said, it takes years of sustained success to bring new supporters and then members to a club and aside from those MCC members who will never buy a MFC membership, we're just about at capacity. Anything more will be the hand out type three game memberships.

Win the flag this year and we could get 70k next year due to it being a flag year. 

We need multiple flags to attract a new gen of supporters and that'll be what pushes us into that next tier of club. 

For measure, the Saints have been in the doldrums recently but due to the spike in performance this year, I'm pretty sure they are at about 60,000 now too which is a smidge behind us. Whilst it looked like we were getting away from them in recent years, it shows that members fluctuate more than people think depending on where your club is at. Our rise is not a true reflection of growth, but rather a bunch of supporters jumping back on board post some dark years. 

All clubs have a slow growth of members due to the game growing which has been no different with us, as well as the normal bump that comes post flag. The real and lasting spike will be seen years after multiple flags. That's the challenge for us. 

 

No it's not as simple as that. Many other clubs have become powerhouses without sustained success.

In 2017 Richmond hadn’t won a premiership and hardly made finals in almost 40 years but their membership was over 70,000. The following year, after a premiership, they cracked 100,000, hardly sustained success.

Collingwood won one premiership between 1959 and 2009 but have been a powerhouse with a large supporter.

Carlton have almost 100,000 members but have been the poorest club in the league since 2000.

It's not just sustained success that builds a club, it's something more than that. And we certainly can't blame MCC members, most that I know have dual memberships and every Melbourne based club has a similar issue.

2 hours ago, daisycutter said:

more good news

 

61,260

Very disappointing numbers. Looks like we may just limp past last years tally, and will probably need to do some sort of $13 membership special to even get to that point. They way we are playing we should be smashing records by 10-20% a year...

Wow, Freo turning on LJ quicker than I expected!

"Fremantle great Paul Hasleby believes his old club would be omitting Luke Jackson this weekend if he wasn’t a big-name recruit."

"Jackson hasn’t proven anything really in the AFL. He played a great quarter in a Grand Final, but all of last year, if we’re being brutally honest, it was just average football from him,” he said."

https://www.sen.com.au/news/2023/03/27/should-luke-jackson-be-omitted-freo-great-ponders-the-ruck-dilemma/

17 hours ago, rpfc said:

Maybe but remember; Brad Green after we won our first game of the year in Rd 10 in 2007 said ‘we can still play finals and we should aim for that.’

And you know what happened? ☺️

We finished 3rd last in 5 wins…

…

(cough)

I prefer not to speak that year, the beginning of some dark days...

Membership tally sitting on 55,528. We've reached our second highest yearly membership tally at Round 1. Fantastic effort Dees!!

Are we paying his court costs, given that the court awarded in his favour?

These guys must have some serious money behind him. Postage and printing alone would be $100k... Costs to go to Supreme Court could be that again. That is dedication!

Ive heard a few commentators saying the potential rule change will benefit Grundy & Gawn working together. Can someone explain why that is?

On 10/11/2022 at 8:40 AM, Slartibartfast said:

 

Here is my alternative strategy for pick 13:

• we are not going to get into the elite end of the draft this year (top 5 or so) and the next batch is "throw a blanket over" material.
• 2023 draft is looking very strong
• we have lots of young talent at Casey that needs an opportunity (Turner, Bowey, JJ, Howes, JVR, Chandler all missed R23).  We need to give them an opportunity and show them a career path or we will lose them as we have Bedford.
• we need to position ourselves so we can access some really elite talent, not just good talent.

To this end I'd look at trading 13 for a future 1st which teams that are rebuilding might find attractive.  We might get something in return like a pick in the 30's. Draft in Grundy, promote Chandler and draft a couple in the 30's or 40's.

That leaves us with 3 first rounders next year plus your future 1st for 2024.  We also have 2 seconds in 2024. We would then be in a fantastic position in a very good draft to trade up higher to get some really elite talent or trade in a very good player.

I think we have enough good core talent both in the team and at Casey to take this approach.  I don't think we need to add good but not elite talent this year.  If we are to contend well into the future we need access to either the really pointy end of the draft or enough collateral to satisfy a really elite talent trade.

Fans would scream but I think it's a great idea.  So, there you go, pull it apart.

I like the idea but based on previous years our coaches want players now and will probably go the other way and trade next years picks for this years draft...

29 minutes ago, BangBnagBang said:

Turned 33, 43,& 53 into 27 for Grundy.

Turned Weed and 54 & 72 into 37

Basically swapped Weed for Grundy and a slide of 4 picks in the second round, and a loss of a few late picks we where unlikely to use.

Win

And lost Jackson

On 10/7/2022 at 10:01 AM, mmwd6 said:

Yeah I don't. It's all for show I reckon.  

If he really was happy to go to west coast we would have offers from them by now. Instead all we have is the WC list manager more or less saying they're still trying (and failing) to convince LJ to join them, hence why no offer has been made. 

WC refusing to give up pick 2 so they are struggling to get a deal done. Regardless, they are still interested which improves our hand at the table when it comes to negotiations.

Got a lot of respect for LJ and the way he has gone about this.

Nothing worse than a player who says, 'oh I need to go back home to my home state, but you have to trade me to X club so make it happen'. It's put us in an great position to be able to negotiate with two clubs rather than one. Combined with the fact that he helps us win a premiership he will always be a legend in my eyes.

I hope no one boos him next year...

On 9/1/2022 at 7:04 PM, DeeZone said:

DC 66,484 Final count not quite to 66,666 but an absolute Great Effort for our Mighty Dees.!!!!!!

I predicted 66,485!!!! One off, I should have bought an extra ticket for my dog, lol

On 9/30/2021 at 10:55 AM, tincan said:

Seems to be about a 20-25% increase after a premiership. Hard to estimate how much Covid affected this years tally.. Would be stocked if we can get over 65,000. If we can get over 70,000 would would be at the bottom end of the big clubs (around 7-8 on the tally board).

I estimate 66,485.

I was pretty close too. Although I imagine there will be another 1000 or so added before cut off...

Broden Kelly from Aunty Donna is a mad Dees supporter

16 hours ago, DemonWA said:

What a [censored] show of a camp. Sad thing is I think alot of clubs may have done or considered similar sorts of initiatives over the journey all in the name of getting a competitive edge. No doubt the Crows camp seems to be worse than others in this space though. I'm just glad the contributors on this site are largely mature enough to be disgusted and aren't potting Betts for being honest about his experience. 

The difference in this one is the indigenous aspect. I doubt it would be getting any publicity otherwise.

20 hours ago, Supermercado said:

Making Don Pyke lose his mind and walk around silently eyeballing players is one of the great, underrated MFC highlights.

Haha can't believe I had forgotten about that, thnaks for the reminder!!! Surely this is on Youtube somewhere??

I never thought it was a good idea giving it to him in the first place, Nathan Jones was our captain and deserved to keep it. Taking it off him a couple of years later proved that it was the wrong decision by the club. I don't think we treated him well in that period

It's a real credit to the bloke that he stuck fat when we were a basketcase and other clubs came circling for his signature. Trac, Oliver and Brayshaw are all being lauded for 'signing for life' (and so they should), but I'll never forget Viney for being the first.

On 7/22/2022 at 9:00 PM, Ethan Tremblay said:

Pretty happy with where we’re sitting:

Great result for Melbourne, well and truly in the top 8 - and growing!

Gee, unbelievable how Carlton how have kept their members despite being terrible for so long...

I thought Hawthorn's tally would be much higher. Fair whether...?

65,000 is a huge win for our club, anything above this now is a bonus. No reason why we cant keep this kind of growth gowing for the next few years at least!

On 5/21/2022 at 9:48 PM, Longsufferingnomore said:

Today at the game North declared they were closing in on 50,000 members. Why as Premiers can we only have 60,000 members. North bottom down the ladder and yet still can achieve 50,000 members. What is holding us back. MCC Members not taking up memberships?

Because we were terrible for 57 years! One premiership doesn't automatically bring in 30,000 new members. We need sustained success, continued finals appearances and then we will see strong membership growth each year.

And to be fair North only have 46,000 members. Still 15,000 behind us.

On 5/6/2022 at 7:31 PM, BoBo said:

Only really seen him play a bit,  not paid much attention to the kind of player he is, if he isn’t guaranteed a starting 22 spot, would he want to come to the club?

If we got him, who would he replace in the best 22?

 

I reckon we are keeping our options open in case Brayshaw decides to leave. 

38 minutes ago, tiers said:

Were these leadership traits apparent when he was recruited? At the time my impression from the media was that he was a bit undisciplined and wayward. Good coaching does make a difference.

We are very fortunate to have such open and well spoken leaders and ambassadors in Gawn, Brayshaw, Petracca, McDonald, May and Lever who make us feel proud of our playing group and our club.

Most of that was media beat up and the club defended him strongly at the time.

For example, he was criticized for being caught 'drinking in a pub' when all he did was have one beer after breaking up with his girlfriend.

1 hour ago, mauriesy said:

I love how 3 minutes from the end of the Grand Final, with a 60 point lead, he's still admonishing Petracca for not taking the right position.

As someone pointed out on SEN this morning - May is berating players as we are about to win a Premiership, but David Noble has to apologise to North players for yelling at them and upsetting them after another embarassing loss... haha

33 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

all those who predicted 60k-65k look like they were on the money

hard to see > 65k, but you never know

Last year we put on 8000 between now and the end of the season. And  at a time when fans knew they wouldn't be able to see a game live in Melbourne. 

I said at the start of the season, 65k would be a pass, 70k would be a good result.